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17 Jan 2012, 2:02 am

^^^
i agree that if folks like ted bundy or ted kaczinski [AKA "the randy" and "the handy"] had been able to ditch the evil side of their natures, they coulda done a lot of good in this world, by dint of their superior intellect. how unfortunate, for them [and their victims, not to mention their collateral damage] as well as for this hurting world which is so in need of more service-minded smart people of an ethically enlightened bent. in those terms i feel inferior to those two, in that what cognitive functions came easily to them, i struggle with quite dimly, which limits my ability to do good in this world. maybe if i didn't also have evil thoughts from time to time, i wouldn't feel so queasy about it all.



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17 Jan 2012, 8:46 am

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Crikey....this thread is still going? I broke up with this dude a long time ago, because he's an ass. But hey....I got a part 2 to the story!! !!


I'm genuinely curious as to what occured in the second act. Seriously, reading over this thread now. (Why the hell I didn't stumble upon this sooner? Curses. I missed the drama. :P) This guy definately sounded like an ass. Seriously? His folks got involved, and chewed you out? Considering the fact he told you his parents encouraged it says it all RIGHT THERE. Yay for the lovely trait of blatant honesty that seems to come with the territory of AS.

As for the nature of aspies and love.
Love is an incredibly tangible thing. No person loves another the same way, or measurement. Also what one person may see as love could be considered inadequate or an overabundance. Hence we have such a thing as chemistry. Also what many have said there is true. The trouble many people with AS and autism in general have a hard time understanding and expressing themselves in the traditional line of expressing and taking in. Doesn't mean we don't feel or cannot express affections in our own way. Sadly this isn't the first therapist or counselor I've seen who falls prey to this misconception. It's quite disheartening.
I myself love in my own ways. Sure there is a level of detatchment on my part sometimes, but I blame that in part to my neglective and abusive upbringing. I don't always feel the emotions or understand the motivation behind actions, but I still try my best to fullfill the other's need for support and affections by relying on my common sense, and the strong feelings I do have of not wanting to hurt them because even though I don't feel at the moment I still care about them, and act accordingly. That's just scratching the surface as to what I feel and how I feel. And oh when I do feel, I feel too much. XD
Hope you're doing alright with yourself.



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17 Jan 2012, 9:45 am

I think it's more a fact that women of the younger age group are getting harder to love, doubt Aspergers has much to do with it :/


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03 Oct 2012, 6:21 pm

I have come to the conclusion that I an incapable of loving people, I am only capable of liking my parents (Mom MUCH more than Dad) who are great parents, but I sincerely love my cats, I think I'm mentally defective.


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03 Oct 2012, 9:33 pm

If we are unable to love, then we instead have some unnamed emotion that could be easily comparable to love.

Perhaps a modified version of "Special Interests"

But aside from what anyone says; love is as interpreted by the lover. Hell, I bet 15% of the NT's on this planet have a seriously flawed perception of what "Love" even is.

It's so obscure, which is probably one of the reasons Aspies find relationships difficult. They only wish to be with the one they love ^_^ Falling in love in the first place however, is generally due to a lot of them being so desensitized to NT's; generally because of getting bullied and/or misunderstood.



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04 Oct 2012, 11:41 am

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I have come to the conclusion that I an incapable of loving people, I am only capable of liking my parents (Mom MUCH more than Dad) who are great parents, but I sincerely love my cats, I think I'm mentally defective.


Love IS a mental defect. All rational thought goes out the window. Consider it on a par with drug use and you'll be on the right lines - and, indeed, some people end up abusing it and feel utterly miserable, like those battered women that keep going back to their husbands (wailing "but I love him!" as their friends ask what the hell they're thinking of).

And remember - to tennis players, love means nothing.



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04 Oct 2012, 11:48 am

I think I have the ability to love, I just tend to think most people are stupid and hate stupid people.



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04 Oct 2012, 1:41 pm

Thom_Fuleri wrote:
ArthurDent wrote:
I have come to the conclusion that I an incapable of loving people, I am only capable of liking my parents (Mom MUCH more than Dad) who are great parents, but I sincerely love my cats, I think I'm mentally defective.


Love IS a mental defect. All rational thought goes out the window. Consider it on a par with drug use and you'll be on the right lines - and, indeed, some people end up abusing it and feel utterly miserable, like those battered women that keep going back to their husbands (wailing "but I love him!" as their friends ask what the hell they're thinking of).

And remember - to tennis players, love means nothing.


Does that apply to my love of my cats who unfailingly improve my mood even when they're crazy?


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04 Oct 2012, 7:29 pm

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I have a question for all of you but I'm really afraid it may affend or completely baffle some.

Let me start with a story first. I dated a guy with Asperger's for a while. It didn't work and I broke it off with him. I talked about it a while back at this forum, and some of you said the reasons I broke it off with him are common reasons for breaking up with Aspies.

I visit a counselor because I have clinical depression, and the breakup thing has been eating away at my happiness for a while. She told me that some of the things he was doing to me could be considered verbal abuse, emotional abuse, and sexual harassment, whether it was intentional or not. We then got into a conversation about Aspergers itself.

My counselor has worked with Aspies and is a licensed professional in counseling, so I figured she knows what she is talking about. However, what she said kinda shocked me. She told me that those with Asperger's don't have the ability to love. She says they can LIKE someone, but it's a selfish sort of like. For example, an Aspie really likes their friend, but the friend doesn't show up to hang out with him, so he gets mad at him and takes it out on said friend. My ex boyfriend was kinda like this with breaking up. He totally disregarded the fact that there ARE reasons for breaking up with me and acted like a I did a bad thing by dumping him. Perhaps his pride is wounded? I don't think he even really misses me....I was probably there for convenience and to build his ego. This really made me suspect what my counselor was saying had some truth in it.
I inquired if the inability to love was true for all Aspies, and she said yes. The part of the brain that allows people to empathize and love does not work in them. She said that even their love for their parents is primal.

However, I've read on some websites that Aspies can love and sometimes get a little too involved with their mates.
But then again, I have read on some websites that women who marry Aspie men have literally been driven to insanity by their 'abuse', whether intentional or not.

My ex has been texting me and wants me to meet him. I don't know why and I am not sure I want to be with someone who can't really love me if he is wanting to get back together with me (which is doubtful....I have no idea what he wants).

Sorry if this question offends any of you. I'd like to hear some comments and maybe even some things that can accurately debate what my counselor said.

Thanks in advance.


I know heaps of people have replied already but I'll add my piece. Firstly, I would get rid of that counselor ASAP and find a new one. Take it from somebody who's a psychology undergrad, has several disorders, and has been to see many different psycs - they are highly diverse bunch terms of skill level and knowledge. Seeing a counselor who is giving false or incorrect information is worse than seeing nobody at all.

The way your counselor describes Aspergers is actually a more correct description for sociopathy, which is a different condition. People with Aspergers have difficulty understanding body language, non-verbals, and have poor social skills as well as in some cases have difficulty understanding their emotions (yes they do experience the full normal range of emotions, but they may have trouble labeling them - this doesn't apply to everyone with AS though). This can cause trouble in relationships, but it doesn't affect their ability to love. People with Aspergers can be self-centered (note I use the term "self centered" as opposed to "selfish" - the two are different; "selfish" means only caring about yourself and not others, "self-centered" means your thoughts revolve inwards and around yourself because you have difficulty thinking of what others are thinking or feeling (this is what it means to lack of theory of mind) but this doesn't mean you don't care about others).

Now none of this means that your boyfriend is not an abusive a**hole. Just like in any population of people, there are going to be some people with Aspergers who are also abusive a**holes. To me it sounds like unfortunately your boyfriend falls under the "abusive a**hole" category.

Disregard Aspergers - from what you're saying, unless I'm mistaken it sounds to me like his mistreatment of you goes beyond the kinds of social misunderstandings caused by AS.

I am someone who has been through an emotionally abusive relationship (although I still find it hard to admit myself, and I find I keep blaming myself and thinking maybe he wasn't so bad - that's what happens, the abuser causes you to doubt yourself and blame yourself for everything) and the abuser will always try to draw you back in and trap you. What you need to do is to get out of there and stay out - cut all contact with him permanently no matter what messages he sends you to try and lure you back. It will be hard but stick with your guns no matter what.

If you feel your counselor does give good advice about what to do to break away from the relationship maybe you could consider staying with him/her. However, I feel the misinformation she is giving you about Aspergers is problematic as it allows you to excuse his abusive behaviour by associating it with a mental illness, thus allowing yourself to displace the blame away from him and perhaps even onto yourself for not understanding or something, which is precisely what he, the abuser, wants.


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04 Oct 2012, 7:37 pm

I honestly do not think love exists.


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04 Oct 2012, 7:44 pm

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Crikey....this thread is still going? I broke up with this dude a long time ago, because he's an ass. But hey....I got a part 2 to the story!! !!


Oops, sorry! Should have read through more of the thread. Glad you did break up with him at any rate.


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04 Oct 2012, 10:10 pm

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I honestly do not think love exists.


I'm inclined to agree. I feel like the idea of "love" has been projected in society to the point were people will set themselves the target of finding "true love" and make it the be all and end all of dating. In the real world, its very unlikely that someone will find their perfect match. It can also make people rather vulnerable, holding so much value in this idea and directing it towards someone only for it to not work out. I think if you find someone that you can be like best friends with and have some sort of physical attraction towards then that's probably as close as it gets. As for me I'm not too bothered about it, the cons outweigh the pros for me.



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04 Oct 2012, 11:01 pm

What? This is the only thing I know how to do, love.


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05 Oct 2012, 10:59 am

ArthurDent wrote:
Does that apply to my love of my cats who unfailingly improve my mood even when they're crazy?


ESPECIALLY love of cats. I am completely besotted with a moggy that demands we let her out at silly o'clock in the morning, insists we fill her food bowl and orders me out of my chair by the computer pretty much every night. I always give in, because I love her and she is the dark mistress with absolute power.



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05 Oct 2012, 12:01 pm

I can say that I can't love a guy. I never been in love and probably never will. And I'm completely fine with it. I see horrible damage love can do... so I never wanna experience it.

I think I can only have genuine love for animals.



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21 Oct 2012, 9:10 pm

I think my love for humans was beaten out of me from a young age, lucky I have animals to remind me I'm not a complete oxygon thief.

Your doc was on the money, did she suggest you find a real man to love you ?


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