Why do girls get to just sit around and get guys?

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15 Sep 2008, 6:44 am

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I can see what you mean, but I think your problem is understanding how a girl would do that isn't how a guy would. If a girl is interested, she will often be silly around friends in front of you rather than coming up and asking. (just an example, and it depends on the age of the girl.)


And how am I supposed to interpret being silly in front of friends when she's just doing that because she doesn't care what I think?



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15 Sep 2008, 6:51 am

ToadOfSteel wrote:
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I can see what you mean, but I think your problem is understanding how a girl would do that isn't how a guy would. If a girl is interested, she will often be silly around friends in front of you rather than coming up and asking. (just an example, and it depends on the age of the girl.)


And how am I supposed to interpret being silly in front of friends when she's just doing that because she doesn't care what I think?


That's the whole thing, I don't know. I mean, I could probably tell you if I was there, but I don't know how to make someone understand for themselves.

It would be a lot easier if women were just straight up, I agree. :wink:



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15 Sep 2008, 9:22 am

Dude, shut the f**k up. Girls shouldn't have to ask a guy for a dance or date. So if it's hard try, if you get rejected well it hurts but move on. If you don't want to risk, don't play the game. Yes, aspies have little chances with girls in the teen years, but all we need is the right girl to love us and vice versa. If nothing else just make a few friends with girls...? At least to the point of casual talking, interest.



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15 Sep 2008, 9:44 am

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well sure, guys are usually the ones that have to step up to the plate. But when it comes to controlling/abusive relationships, women are more often the victim.

"Victim"? Ha ha ha! They need to stop pulling that "victim" BS, and take responsibility for their own actions. If a slut gets her head beaten in, it's probably her fault for rejecting the guys who would've been more likely to treat her with respect.


Because there's no such thing as deception, and people can read other people's intentions and true natures right off the bat if they really tried hard enough. :roll: Seriously, if you had any knowledge of trends in abusive relationships, I really don't think you'd be saying that.

A lot of people who get involved in abusive romantic relationships come from abusive families (and if you think that that is their fault as well, you're truly unforgivable), and either it's all they know as to how things work, or they can't imagine deserving anything better. It might not even be a matter of rejecting all the "good" people in favor of the bad ones - it might be instead that they took the first offer they got, and that just happened to be from a bad person who had no respect or kindness towards them.

Is it good for people like this to learn how to stand up for themselves and get away from an abuser? Of course. Is it their fault that it will often take years, perhaps even a lifetime of struggle, to un-learn patterns that were established for them probably very early in life? It would take a very callous, unsympathetic person to say so.

And besides, who said that the woman getting victimized was a "slut?" Promiscuity or otherwise sexual easiness is not a prerequisite for abuse. It has very little, if anything, to do with it, really. More likely, it would just be a rationalization on the part of an abuser, whether true, exaggerated or outright false, in order to justify their cruel actions towards another person.



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15 Sep 2008, 12:16 pm

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Have you ever seen a human abandoned an advantage in hand?

Not-initiating is one of the female's advantages in the dating world which make them the pickers , they won't given it up with nothing in return just because you said so.


I am quoting my post to show it again...

Answer this question protoss :Have you ever seen a human abandoned an advantage in hand with nothing in return?

Girls won't wish to inverse the rule of initiation, it won't be in their favor.



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15 Sep 2008, 12:26 pm

BPalmer wrote:
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well sure, guys are usually the ones that have to step up to the plate. But when it comes to controlling/abusive relationships, women are more often the victim.

"Victim"? Ha ha ha! They need to stop pulling that "victim" BS, and take responsibility for their own actions. If a slut gets her head beaten in, it's probably her fault for rejecting the guys who would've been more likely to treat her with respect.

Thats is one of the most idiotic things I have heard on WP, heres a thought Palmy, quit wearing your ass as a hat.



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15 Sep 2008, 6:41 pm

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A lot of people who get involved in abusive romantic relationships come from abusive families ... and either it's all they know as to how things work, or they can't imagine deserving anything better.

Funny, I thought the Sisterhood brainwashed them into thinking they were God's gift to the world! That's how they behave a lot of the time.

Thankfully some of them do get a clue, and learn to avoid abusive situations somewhere along the way - and just for the record, I support them in doing that. All power to 'em! But too few do, and often only when they're older.

It really is distressing to see so many Aspie males haivng singleness forced upon them.



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16 Sep 2008, 5:51 am

I always make the first move, but I still can't land a partner.


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16 Sep 2008, 1:12 pm

It's just biology.

Men have always been the ones to pursue. Women never burn down villages and ransack for a guy. We don't murder women to take their husbands.

Evolution and genes.

Guys, you have no trouble using that argument when you point out that you can't help but to gravitate toward the hotties, well, it's the same. Your biology forces you to go out and pursue women. We go to a bar to drink a beer (or club soda) and chat. You go to find us. :-D



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16 Sep 2008, 3:26 pm

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Funny, I thought the Sisterhood brainwashed them into thinking they were God's gift to the world! That's how they behave a lot of the time.

Thankfully some of them do get a clue, and learn to avoid abusive situations somewhere along the way - and just for the record, I support them in doing that. All power to 'em! But too few do, and often only when they're older.

It really is distressing to see so many Aspie males haivng singleness forced upon them.


If "the Sisterhood" was widespread and organized enough to launch a campaign to "brainwash" people into thinking a certain way about themselves and the world before even their parents and family dynamic influenced them, I'm sure it would be more well-known - until now, I'd never even heard of such a group. :roll: Unfortunately, a person may spend years being told and internalizing the opinion that they are less worthy than others, that they don't deserve kindness or respect, before an alternative world view is presented, and by that point, though it is not too late to change, it will take a very long time to, even with help.

Also, this is not necessarily a sexism issue (though it can be). Women abuse their children, siblings (brothers and sisters alike) may be favored and use that power to oppress the less-favored, and children, both male and female, are told that they are inadequate for a variety of reasons other than sex and gender, such as looks, weight, intelligence, neurology and interests. Unfortunately, if you mean by "the Sisterhood" the collective of feminists everywhere who advocate for the interests of women, these sorts of factors escape their notice, and such people who suffer for them fall between the cracks, even if their experiences do mirror those of abuse victims whose childhood trauma was a result of sexism. This isn't necessarily a men vs. women issue (men can and do end up in abusive relationships, though it's not as much talked about, by the way!) - it's more about people who use their powers to exploit others and those who are exploited.

Some women behave like they're god's gift to the world. Assuming that this is actual confidence you're referring to rather than a front people put up to hide their vulnerability, these are unlikely to be the same women who are being abused. Of course, there are women of the kind I mentioned before, who use a false sense of superiority and callousness in order to mask the fact that they really aren't all that powerful, and end up hurting everyone except the people they actually need to confront. I have nothing short of contempt for these people myself - not because they're abused or because they don't do anything about it immediately, but because they're bullies, attacking people who are weaker or less assertive still than themselves, and alternately appeasing their abusers out of convenience. To lump all women, indeed all abused women, into that category, is very unfair.

I don't know how the actions or inactions of abused women "force" Aspie men to remain single... unless the implication is that Aspies never abuse (doubtful, if not outright false) and if only they had made the right choice earlier they would've never found themselves in this position. Unfortunately for everyone except maybe the abusers, hindsight is 20/20. And I can guarantee, from prior experience, that being with someone who treats you like dirt is worse than being alone.



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16 Sep 2008, 4:15 pm

BPalmer wrote:
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well sure, guys are usually the ones that have to step up to the plate. But when it comes to controlling/abusive relationships, women are more often the victim.

"Victim"? Ha ha ha! They need to stop pulling that "victim" BS, and take responsibility for their own actions. If a slut gets her head beaten in, it's probably her fault for rejecting the guys who would've been more likely to treat her with respect.


Are you f*****g insane?



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17 Sep 2008, 1:19 am

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If you mean by "the Sisterhood" the collective of feminists everywhere who advocate for the interests of women

What I meant was not the original women's movement, but the more radical form (the second wave, if you will) which began in the '60s/'70s. One result of their excesses is that we now have the situation where women have been freed from the traditional gender roles, but men had better know their place. What is wrong with this picture?

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Assuming that this is actual confidence you're referring to rather than a front people put up to hide their vulnerability ...

This is why people shouldn't assume things. I actually meant the women who think they're God's gift to the world - pure and simple.

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To lump all women, indeed all abused women, into that category, is very unfair.

That's not what I was saying!



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17 Sep 2008, 1:32 am

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Are you f***ing insane?

No, simply writing this out of years of hurt (and not even any fond memories to look back upon). As the years go on, I see more and more which confuses me, no end.



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17 Sep 2008, 1:40 am

BPalmer wrote:
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If you mean by "the Sisterhood" the collective of feminists everywhere who advocate for the interests of women

What I meant was not the original women's movement, but the more radical form (the second wave, if you will) which began in the '60s/'70s. One result of their excesses is that we now have the situation where women have been freed from the traditional gender roles, but men had better know their place. What is wrong with this picture?

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Assuming that this is actual confidence you're referring to rather than a front people put up to hide their vulnerability ...

This is why people shouldn't assume things. I actually meant the women who think they're God's gift to the world - pure and simple.

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To lump all women, indeed all abused women, into that category, is very unfair.

That's not what I was saying!


I most definitely agree that reverse sexism and female superiority are problems that are as bad as male sexism, if not potentially worse because they mask themselves as egalitarianism. However, I think they were mistakenly projected onto people who are the least likely to adhere to those ideas. As already demonstrated, abuse victims usually have serious self-esteem issues, the exact opposite of the arrogance you describe, so equating one with the other does a great disservice to those who deal with unbearable situations from which they have no concept of escape.

From the first and even parts of the second post, it could very easily be construed that all abused women were being put in the same category. I'm sorry if that's what you meant, but it was not clearly specified.



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17 Sep 2008, 1:56 am

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I'm sorry if that's what you meant, but it was not clearly specified.

Yeah, I'm sorry my writing clacked clarity.



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17 Sep 2008, 7:25 am

BPalmer wrote:
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Are you f***ing insane?

No, simply writing this out of years of hurt (and not even any fond memories to look back upon). As the years go on, I see more and more which confuses me, no end.


What, years of getting rejected by women and then kicking the s**t out of them?

There is no excuse for misogyny, ever, ever, ever.