Oh girls have it so much worse....

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because men care less about love than women do? got any empirical, peer-reviewed evidence to support that crap-based argument? of course you don't, because that's BS. men care as much about being loved as women do, when they grow the f**k up. anybody who says otherwise is being sexist against men. biological determinism is a garbage argument, and anyone with a functioning brain, critical thinking skills, and the ability to read, can see that for themselves.

It's harder for men to get sex, and that is a fact. You pine for what you don't have. I never said that men don't crave love.

Also, I believe nature is the basis for all human activity, also morality, which can be said to be the herd instinct in human beings.

so what you're saying is no, you have no evidence to back up your baseless sexist statements. that's what i figured.

As an asexual man I find this assumption especially obnoxious. It's just as hard for men to get love as it is to get sex. It might even be harder for some. There are also a ton of sexual men who are more interested in love and companionship than casual sex. This idea that men are brutish gorillas who have no emotions and just want to thrust their penis into someone else is pretty insulting.

You're aggression kind of shows you're not unbiased on this matter.

Department of Psychology, Case Western Reserve University

"The sex drive refers to the strength of sexual motivation. Across many different studies and measures, men have been shown to have more frequent and more intense sexual desires than women, as reflected in spontaneous thoughts about sex, frequency and variety of sexual fantasies, desired frequency of intercourse, desired number of partners, masturbation, liking for various sexual practices, willingness to forego sex, initiating versus refusing sex, making sacrifices for sex, and other measures. No contrary findings (indicating stronger sexual motivation among women) were found. Hence we conclude that the male sex drive is stronger than the female sex drive. The gender difference in sex drive should not be generalized to other constructs such as sexual or orgasmic capacity, enjoyment of sex, or extrinsically motivated sex."

You're welcome.

So, to sum up, for women, it's hard to find love, and, for men, it's hard both to find love and to find sex

Yep. Everything is not equal in this world. Women have the burden of child bearing, for one thing, so investing in the wrong man is not good.

Don't think for a second that those behaviors are necessarily innate to male sexuality, a lot of those behaviors are societal in nature-- they're learned behavior not necessarily instinctual. All of those behaviors are proudly venerated in modern culture and therefore to fit the mold many men adopt them, or at least claim to adopt them to fit said mold.

The point you're missing is this. Many many guys want love just as much as women want love. Having a higher sex drive (on AVERAGE) does not diminish the value of being loved.

Sure, but then men have to deal with having a factual higher sex drive as well as the need to be loved.

Trust me: I've known women with pretty heavy sex drives. I was once dragged into an apartment and was forced upon by a woman (I didn't resist--though I would have preferred it if we "got to know each other" first).

It would only be 'settling' for someone who makes less if there is someone who makes more that you like more. However if I was with someone who I was having a good relationship with, and someone with more comes along I sure has hell am not going to ditch current boyfriend for a chance with a guy with more money. Then I'd be 'settling' for someone who makes more rather than someone I really want to be with. If it turns out the person I really wanted to be with is more well to do than other potentials then cool but its not a determining factor....if the person I really wanted to be with was on SSI living in their moms basement we'd make it work...and no I wouldn't think of breaking up with them solely to find someone who can provide more.

All that proves is more often than not men have a higher sex drive than women, though it doesn't mean a lot as plenty of women have high sex drives to but women are more likely to be shamed for a high sex drive than males. It does not prove that males have more difficulty getting sex or that they care more about sex and less about love. I mean there is this trend of when a guy has slept with many women and brags about it, he gets kudos for getting laid so much. If a woman goes and tries to brag about all the guys she's slept with, people will think shes a whore or a slut. I mean not always but this does exist.

Either way though your linked study does not really prove any of the claims you made.

There used to be a few women posting here regularly who claimed to have high sex drives. Lately, however, there seems to be a general consensus that women with high sex drives are rare if they exist at all. To me, this looks suspiciously like what women afraid of being considered sluts would report, or those who are more used to being victims of harassment, rape or rough sex with a partner who doesn't care about their pleasure, than to having a chance to enjoy sex.

Besides, having a high or low sex drive says nothing about whom you're sexually attracted to. If I am at all representative, while most women are certainly no top-models, there are very few who don't have at least some female charm, so, if a man is deprived enough of sex, they can arouse him. This certainly doesn't seem to work in reverse. Females are naturally the picky sex, so, even to a woman with a high sex drive, a man has probably less than zero power to turn her on unless some particular qualities of his make him special. If this isn't the case, she'll certainly prefer to be alone and take care of her sex drive on her own rather than to have any kind of sexual intimacy with him.

I'm guessing her feelings about such idea are more or less like what a typical, heterosexual man would feel if a big, hairy, filthy, smelly orangutan wanted to penetrate them from the rear end. And not without a tongue kiss first, and a rough and careless make-out session, with those arms that can casually rip one of yours off, or your head, for that matter.

Well men do have an harder time getting sheer sex. I am not complaining or something it's just a fact. Perhaps this is also be ONE of the causes why a man who sleeps with many women gets kudos and a woman who sleeps with many guys is considered a whore.