More Thought on Incels.

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It seems guys are like this too, because if hot girls are not very nice to guys in school, a lot of guys still want a hot woman even they were treated badly by them before.

That's not entirely true. Even in high school, I knew extremely well that hot girls were far out of my league, and that I had no right to even think about dating them. So I viewed hot girls the same way I viewed alpha-male guys: as untouchable people far above me at best, and as people who may become a source of misery at worst. So when a hot girl in my class shook my hand to congratulate me for making it into National Honor Society, I felt absolutely nothing, although I did thank her properly and sincerely. (Although on the inside, I felt mostly suspicious and ill-at-ease.) Sadly, I still couldn't get a date, even with an ugly girl, because I didn't have a car in high school.

So in college, when a girl did show interest in me, I was glad that it was an unattractive girl. Then, I knew for sure that her interest was genuine, especially after she told me she was fine with taking public transit. So I jumped at the chance of dating her like an overexcited puppy. If she were a hot girl, or even a moderately attractive girl, showing interest in me, I'd worry that it was a prank or a setup for me to get beat up by her boyfriend.

the women who would just use a guy to set him up to get beat up, are just psychopaths and best avoided.

School social life is dictated by the law of the jungle. Everyones knows that but nobody says anything to stop it.

There's a great book (ironically compulsory reading in highschool book club) called "Lord of the Flies" by author William Golding. The story is about how children (young boys) resort to Darwin's survival of the fittest when left to their own devices with no adults to supervise them on a desert island after surviving a plane crash.

Golding perfectly captures the biological urges that are genetically programmed that underpin our relations with fellow humans. The story would have been even more interesting if Golding included 1-2 girls on the island but then it would no longer be suitable for school reading audience.

Want/desire and punching above your weight is different to being realistic and settling.

I never was turned on by the "hot" girls in high school.

I tended to like the plain-looking shy types.

Apparently, there is a real life incident that happened in the 60's where a bunch of boys got stranded, and it turned out nothing like Lord of the Flies.

https://deadline.com/2020/05/real-lord-of-the-flies-story-sparks-hot-pursuit-from-film-tv-producers-1202936957/

There is something of a trickle-down effect in social hierarchies.  When the "Top Dogs" express continuous disdain or contempt for an individual -- even one of their own -- eventually that individual's social class will drop to that of an unredeemable "Outcast", and not even the "Loners" will want to be his/her friend.  An Outcast is Perpetually invisible and unheard, in that his or her accomplishments are ignored, but if those same feats are achieved by someone else (even a Loner), then that person will be elevated, having redeemed his or her lowly status.

Every hierarchy has different labels for people at each level.

humans often are beastly. too often. anything having to do with sex and power and money brings this to the fore even more. makes me wanna remain a hermit forever. an outcast. somebody who cannot and furthermore refuses to go along with this ungodly mess.

I think being unattractive with a conscious is a blessing and a curse. If you were more attractive, and had more social acumen, you'd probably think the world wasn't so hostile: "Sure, some people are jerks, but most seem okay."

It's when you're in a lower-tier that you realize just how hostile people can be. That is, the same folks that are seemingly kind to one person are total monsters to someone else. The first person thinks, "Wow, they're all so nice, they must be like that with everyone." If they had a point or two less in attractiveness, a point or two less in social ability, they'd see the truth of the same people.

Its situational and contextual and according to a psychologist
Quasisocial and eusocial animals live in permanent groups, where dominants mate, eat and rest; and subordinates do most of the work. Quasisocial and eusocial animals live in permanent groups, where dominants mate, eat and rest; and subordinates do most of the work. On islands, it usually comes to that.

In other words its kind of expected/predicted behaviour
https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/blog ... -the-flies

Well it was said before that there are no female femcels out there, and I guess that's because guys will screw anything that moves so to speak, and therefore all women are getting laid?

However, if that's the case, then why can't women be that way too, so all guys can get laid? Is there anything we can do to help women get on that level, or not really?

we have to be able to reform human nature which is atavistically darwinian in nature. a tall order. not holding my breath for that to happen anytime soon.

I imagine it will be business as usual for at least another century

^^^i don't know how we can last that much longer, something's gotta give.

What the hell?

No the answer is not for everyone on the planet to have absolutely no standards and no real emotional connection.