Why do women always like to mess with guys?

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So Ken what do you plan on doing to help yourself become successful with women? Obviously coming on WP and whining about hasn't helped. Unfairly generalizing women doesn't help you either.

You need to take action instead of coming on to WP and whining about.

So I am going ask you again what are you going to do to help yourself be successful with women and/or have a healthy/happy/serious relationship?

Please Note: When answering my question you are *not allowed* to use AS as an excuse.

A good place to start would be to work on yourself. Women are probably repelled by your desperation.

Also I have to ask you this, even though it may sound rude?

Are you practicing good hygene, like brushing your teeth everyday, wearing deoderant, clean underwear,etc?

Also what are your dress and grooming habits like? Do you go out looking like a slob with your hair uncombed, unshaven face, and clothes with holes and stains on them or are you more meticulious with your appearance? If you are the latter rather than the former, is there anything you can do to make yourself look nicer?

Some of this may superficial, but you don't get a second chance to make a good first impression.

I always watch my hygiene and grooming.

I do have good hygine habits, shower, shave everyday. I also try to dress well when I am not at work. I work at a job where I can get dirty so I am usally in the shower and changing clothes after work.

I am going to try and not ask "how do you feel are bout me? are we a couple?" questions. Going to try and just go with the flow and not put pressure on them. I am not going to tell them that I like them romantally unless they ask. I am also going to try and not tell them that they need to be honest and straght forward with me. If they say something I am really not sure about, I will ask them to clarifiy. If they are hanging out with me and doing things with me then the like me in some way, right?

Do you wear deodourant though? I mean showering is pointless unless you wear deodourant and wear clean clothes.

But I see you're making progress with the rest of it, good work.

This sounds like a good plan.

Yeah, deodorant is key I do wear it, goes with the whole hygine thing.

I had a guy tell me that everytime I asked " how do you feel about me? are we a couple?" type questions it was like pulling up a plant to see how the roots are doing. Pretty soon the plant can't take the stress of being over examined.

He said I could tell if the relationship was doing well if the 'plant' was green and flourishing without digging up the roots. My subsequent relationships did much better after I digested that info.

Except the plant can still be sick even if it looks green and healthy on the surface...

In which case, it needs fertilizer, and pulling it up by the roots still won't help

This thread piss' me off in numerous ways, the chauvanistic hatred from both the men and women here is disgusting as well as the ignorant statements from all sides, it does nothing but fuel my misanthropy.

Everything you said women do, men do as well, humans are the problem not women and for misandristic women, the reverse applies.



Women are equally guilty of that, there is no difference between men and women, NONE!



Two things...

1: I doubt you even know what a psycho is.

2: It still happens irregardless of honesty or lying, so your point is moot.



Tantrums happen, if you can't deal with it, you are emotionally weak, besides do you have statistics on how many men will throw a tantrum or get physical? Women throw tantrums too, your point is moot, a human is a human, irregardless of gender.



It's not polite, it's a lie.



Finally some rational truth, I wish more people would pull their heads out of their ass' and stop with their silly self-absorbed mini-wars, this "them and us" crap is crap.



It's not polite and men do it as well, men also don't like to be confronted, quit the sexist BS, men are not evil pigs, women are not evil manipulators, men are not saints and neither are women, cut the crap, there are jerks in both genders.



I find his posts sexist, but I find your posts sexist as well, I also find them ignorant.



Women do it too, this isn't a "man" thing, it's a human thing, double-standards are for Narcissists.



The reverse is also applicable.



I bet you think it's ok for a woman to complain about men, that's called a double standard, practice what you preach, if you're really a feminist you'll fight misogyny and misandry.



Misogyny is stupid as is misandry, misanthropy on the other hand has merit, this thread and the absurd world we live in is proof that misanthropy has merit.



Yeah, it's hard to find good human beings who actually give a rat's ass and aren't just in it for themselves.



His question was stupid, the question should've been "Why do humans think it's acceptable to lie for no reason?" because both men and women are freaking liars.



Conversely, why do women do that as well? Women tend to "go on the prowl" as well, seems women and men really aren't different, eh? Seriously, humans are so fixated on differences that don't even exist, it's incredible.



Yeah, but the fact that some women think it's ok for them to be misandristic and harp on nonexistent differences as well needs to be put to a stop as well, I like to make both men and women realize their crap stinks, humanity needs to change.



1: You don't know what a psycho is, don't use the term.

2: A psychopath is going to hurt you irregardless of what you say.



A real psychopath would be in your pants in a matter of hours through lies, manipulation and charm, I suggest you actually read into what psychopathy is, they are not crazed pyschotics, they are charming, manipulative, narcissistic douchebags/douchebaggettes.

That guy who made such a good impression, who was so charming, nice, funny, talkative and confident, who "suddenly" turned into a flaming a-hole when you actually started going steady, that guy is a psychopath, not the shy, akward guy, or depressed guy or the angry guy.

Here's some resources to actually learn about psychopathy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy

http://hare.org

Also some books to read are "Without a conscience: The disturbing world of psychopaths among us", "The sociopath next door", and "The Mask of Sanity", also do some actual research into serial killers, you couldn't tell they were killers if it hit you in the face, psychopaths are masters at BSing, everything you think you know about psychopaths is wrong.



Did you even read his post, he said he was fine with women who told him bluntly they aren't interested, they didn't have to cite why.



Read his post again.



And this happens how much? Oh wait, very little.



It's more hurtful to be lied to and let down then to be told an honest truth so you know not to expect anything.



The problem with this Jan is that if you let someone lie and manipulate you, they are going to do it again and again, well usually. You have to find a middle ground, and that seems to be hard for alot of people.



They are ruining things but not in the way you imagine.



Psychopaths will actually target anyone, but they do seem to target some people more so than others, here's a Ted Bundy quote for you on how he could pick out his next victim "I can tell a victim just by the way she tilts her head", it's creepy how good at body language these jerks are.



99% of human beings are bags of tripe? I would hope not, or atleast I would hope they would be able to wake up and change.



And yet it's ok to say that "Most men/women are pigs/liars/manipulators/jerks" and harp on nonexistent differences between the sexes. I think I'll take being a misanthrope over being a stupid chauvanistic human with a "them and us" mindset anyday.

I just realized I agreed with everything you've said. I guess I am a misanthrope. *shrug*

Now this thread is sounding like my soil science class.

You know, you sound exactly like me, absolutely jaded concerning women, almost to the point of misogyny. But your circumstance is more understandable than mine, considering you are significantly older than I am, and I'm merely young and haven't really put myself out there.

Your resentment towards women is perfectly understandable. I know I am going to get blasted for this, but it is true that a considerable amount of women are manipulative and will use good-natured guys for their benefit. I've been a party to being used before as well, and I realize it later on and get angry.

Secondly, I believe the reason why women lie to us is so that they don't hurt our feelings. You know, we want women to be honest with us, but sometimes the truth is more painful than the lie. Both hurt, but one is gradual (the lie), and the other is instant and can cause immediate confrontational situations (the truth). In this sense I can't blame women for lying, however, if they are going to lie, they had better well leave us be and not manipulate our good nature and well meaning. Such women are scum in my eyes.

I'm afraid a lot of women are an annoying necessity, you really can't fully live without them. If you try to separate yourself from them, you'll only become lonely again and search them out. I believe only a very very very rare breed of man can be alone and be content being alone. I don't know how many times I tried to swear off women and despise them, but I always come back like a naive little child, hoping that some girl I find attractive will also find me attractive and interesting enough to date. Then comes rejection, anger and resentment, and back to square one again.

I heard a quote somewhere, don't remember exactly where, but it went something like this: "The solution to every problem lies within the problem itself." I was very bitter towards men for many years, and sounded off about it, at every opportunity. All that did was attract lesbians, who thought that I meant I wasn't interested in men for relationships. I finally realized that I had to change something in myself, if I expected to attract what I really wanted. I had to stop putting all my energy on what I hated, and use that same energy to appreciate and take care of myself. A person who is asserting how much of a failure they are with women, (or men) on a daily basis, is not going to attract a loving relationship to themselves. I learned this. Not only that, it is very off putting to people, to hear all of this bitterness. After all, what can they say in return? Once I started asserting that there are good men out there, and that I had to take stock of what I have to offer to a good man, I realized that my inventory wasn't very attractive. It took years of counseling, journaling, and introspection, but I became better relationship material. Now I am seeing a good man, and guess what? I worked hard to get here, and I deserve it!

misogyny

I have seen this term alot here. I have not idea what it means. Can anyone tell me?

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/misogyny