When did you loose your virginity?
Asp-Z wrote:
rmgh wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
I'm still a virgin, but I'm 16 in two months and I plan to get it sorted out then, as long I can actually find someone who wants to do it with me.
That made me laugh
At WP, my pain is your humour!
Hey, I'm in the same boat! Except, I'm 18 going on 19
rmgh wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
rmgh wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
I'm still a virgin, but I'm 16 in two months and I plan to get it sorted out then, as long I can actually find someone who wants to do it with me.
That made me laugh
At WP, my pain is your humour!
Hey, I'm in the same boat! Except, I'm 18 going on 19
It'll happen sometime, for both of us, the odds are for it. I'll probably make a thread when it does happen, the replies I get would be humourus I'm sure
Asp-Z wrote:
rmgh wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
rmgh wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
I'm still a virgin, but I'm 16 in two months and I plan to get it sorted out then, as long I can actually find someone who wants to do it with me.
That made me laugh
At WP, my pain is your humour!
Hey, I'm in the same boat! Except, I'm 18 going on 19
It'll happen sometime, for both of us, the odds are for it. I'll probably make a thread when it does happen, the replies I get would be humourus I'm sure
Good idea, we can get all the details
Yeah, I guess you're right. Like most other people posting here, I want to do it with someone that I want to find because I want someone, not because I want to do it. If that makes sense...
rmgh wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
rmgh wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
rmgh wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
I'm still a virgin, but I'm 16 in two months and I plan to get it sorted out then, as long I can actually find someone who wants to do it with me.
That made me laugh
At WP, my pain is your humour!
Hey, I'm in the same boat! Except, I'm 18 going on 19
It'll happen sometime, for both of us, the odds are for it. I'll probably make a thread when it does happen, the replies I get would be humourus I'm sure
Good idea, we can get all the details
Yeah, I guess you're right. Like most other people posting here, I want to do it with someone that I want to find because I want someone, not because I want to do it. If that makes sense...
Yeah I get what you're saying, it's more about finding the right person than doing it with anyone just for the sake of doing it.
AngelRho wrote:
People who say they don't want a family don't know what they're missing. To be perfectly honest, I always knew that children were to be a part of my life. It's just something about passing on my wisdom, knowledge, talent, and maybe even a little genetic information on beyond my death. But feeling compelled to do something and actually WANTING to are two completely different things. To that end, our oldest child was the only one we "wanted," while our daughter was unplanned. We were scared to death throughout both pregnancies (for different reasons, the second one was complicated) and had no idea how to raise a child. It's frightening, but I imagine it's frightening for most parents. We still face a lot of uncertainty. But in the end we've found we really love our children.
Think of it as a roommate mentality. They go through stages. The first stage is the waking up every 3 hours for feeding the diaper and changing the baby (yes, I wrote it correctly--if you're a parent, you know what I'm talking about). We found the best thing to do was keep the baby in our bedroom until roughly 3 months. At that point the baby gets his or her own room--baby monitors will give you some amount of comfort until the baby develops an 8-hour sleep pattern. With our second child, we didn't even go quite that far. By not tending to our child at all hours of the night, we forced her to learn to sleep faster. I never understand how it is couples we know have 3-year-olds who can't sleep in their own beds.
When they start crawling/walking, they go into what I call the pet stage. They like to be cuddled, of course, but they spend a lot of time exploring. Lock up all household cleaners and make sure they can't get to the rodent bait. Other than that, they're extremely independent as long as they can see you. We keep the "good toys" in the kitchen, but they never play in there unless we're cooking. Somehow they just know that they should stay close to the adults. If you have stairs, let them play on them. Going up is easy, but you might need to teach them how to crawl back down because it's kinda scary. We don't believe in "baby gates" at our house.
So after they start walking and the teeth start coming in, they go into what I call the "roommate" phase. Yeah, you still have to keep them clean, but that's about all the work you have to do. This can happen between 1 and 2 years. They start using words so you don't have to guess about what they want. We haven't gotten to potty training yet, but that's the next step. By 5 years, they don't really need you (if you've done your job). So after they get teeth, things are easy for the next 10-12 years, at which point you have to completely start over. By 16 years, you almost won't even KNOW you have children, and from 18-20 you just wonder what the hell happened and why it's so quiet in the house.
So yeah, it's only SLIGHTLY more complicated than that, but it's really nothing to be afraid of. Believe me, I was on the edge of a panic attack for about 18 months after my son was born. At some point during that time, I came to the realization that things weren't really all that difficult. I've managed to mellow out with my kids. My son needs a lot of, um--how do I put this?--"direction." My daughter is a little princess who, for some reason, does not ever want to be away from ME (of all people) and is extremely well-behaved, all things considered.
Don't knock parenthood, even for yourself. It's not that bad, and you'll likely be a lot better at it than you think you will.
25% of males never get any children is what I've heard. If that's the case (and I believe it is), then please stop spreading salt in their wounds! I have had many sexual encounters, but I will never have a kid. Not because I don't think anybody would want one with me (I've even been asked to make one), but because I don't want any. I find your comment a bit disrespectful toward my point of view.
Think of it as a roommate mentality. They go through stages. The first stage is the waking up every 3 hours for feeding the diaper and changing the baby (yes, I wrote it correctly--if you're a parent, you know what I'm talking about). We found the best thing to do was keep the baby in our bedroom until roughly 3 months. At that point the baby gets his or her own room--baby monitors will give you some amount of comfort until the baby develops an 8-hour sleep pattern. With our second child, we didn't even go quite that far. By not tending to our child at all hours of the night, we forced her to learn to sleep faster. I never understand how it is couples we know have 3-year-olds who can't sleep in their own beds.
When they start crawling/walking, they go into what I call the pet stage. They like to be cuddled, of course, but they spend a lot of time exploring. Lock up all household cleaners and make sure they can't get to the rodent bait. Other than that, they're extremely independent as long as they can see you. We keep the "good toys" in the kitchen, but they never play in there unless we're cooking. Somehow they just know that they should stay close to the adults. If you have stairs, let them play on them. Going up is easy, but you might need to teach them how to crawl back down because it's kinda scary. We don't believe in "baby gates" at our house.
So after they start walking and the teeth start coming in, they go into what I call the "roommate" phase. Yeah, you still have to keep them clean, but that's about all the work you have to do. This can happen between 1 and 2 years. They start using words so you don't have to guess about what they want. We haven't gotten to potty training yet, but that's the next step. By 5 years, they don't really need you (if you've done your job). So after they get teeth, things are easy for the next 10-12 years, at which point you have to completely start over. By 16 years, you almost won't even KNOW you have children, and from 18-20 you just wonder what the hell happened and why it's so quiet in the house.
So yeah, it's only SLIGHTLY more complicated than that, but it's really nothing to be afraid of. Believe me, I was on the edge of a panic attack for about 18 months after my son was born. At some point during that time, I came to the realization that things weren't really all that difficult. I've managed to mellow out with my kids. My son needs a lot of, um--how do I put this?--"direction." My daughter is a little princess who, for some reason, does not ever want to be away from ME (of all people) and is extremely well-behaved, all things considered.
Don't knock parenthood, even for yourself. It's not that bad, and you'll likely be a lot better at it than you think you will.
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Kenjuudo wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
People who say they don't want a family don't know what they're missing. To be perfectly honest, I always knew that children were to be a part of my life. It's just something about passing on my wisdom, knowledge, talent, and maybe even a little genetic information on beyond my death. But feeling compelled to do something and actually WANTING to are two completely different things. To that end, our oldest child was the only one we "wanted," while our daughter was unplanned. We were scared to death throughout both pregnancies (for different reasons, the second one was complicated) and had no idea how to raise a child. It's frightening, but I imagine it's frightening for most parents. We still face a lot of uncertainty. But in the end we've found we really love our children.
Think of it as a roommate mentality. They go through stages. The first stage is the waking up every 3 hours for feeding the diaper and changing the baby (yes, I wrote it correctly--if you're a parent, you know what I'm talking about). We found the best thing to do was keep the baby in our bedroom until roughly 3 months. At that point the baby gets his or her own room--baby monitors will give you some amount of comfort until the baby develops an 8-hour sleep pattern. With our second child, we didn't even go quite that far. By not tending to our child at all hours of the night, we forced her to learn to sleep faster. I never understand how it is couples we know have 3-year-olds who can't sleep in their own beds.
When they start crawling/walking, they go into what I call the pet stage. They like to be cuddled, of course, but they spend a lot of time exploring. Lock up all household cleaners and make sure they can't get to the rodent bait. Other than that, they're extremely independent as long as they can see you. We keep the "good toys" in the kitchen, but they never play in there unless we're cooking. Somehow they just know that they should stay close to the adults. If you have stairs, let them play on them. Going up is easy, but you might need to teach them how to crawl back down because it's kinda scary. We don't believe in "baby gates" at our house.
So after they start walking and the teeth start coming in, they go into what I call the "roommate" phase. Yeah, you still have to keep them clean, but that's about all the work you have to do. This can happen between 1 and 2 years. They start using words so you don't have to guess about what they want. We haven't gotten to potty training yet, but that's the next step. By 5 years, they don't really need you (if you've done your job). So after they get teeth, things are easy for the next 10-12 years, at which point you have to completely start over. By 16 years, you almost won't even KNOW you have children, and from 18-20 you just wonder what the hell happened and why it's so quiet in the house.
So yeah, it's only SLIGHTLY more complicated than that, but it's really nothing to be afraid of. Believe me, I was on the edge of a panic attack for about 18 months after my son was born. At some point during that time, I came to the realization that things weren't really all that difficult. I've managed to mellow out with my kids. My son needs a lot of, um--how do I put this?--"direction." My daughter is a little princess who, for some reason, does not ever want to be away from ME (of all people) and is extremely well-behaved, all things considered.
Don't knock parenthood, even for yourself. It's not that bad, and you'll likely be a lot better at it than you think you will.
25% of males never get any children is what I've heard. If that's the case (and I believe it is), then please stop spreading salt in their wounds! I have had many sexual encounters, but I will never have a kid. Not because I don't think anybody would want one with me (I've even been asked to make one), but because I don't want any. I find your comment a bit disrespectful toward my point of view.Think of it as a roommate mentality. They go through stages. The first stage is the waking up every 3 hours for feeding the diaper and changing the baby (yes, I wrote it correctly--if you're a parent, you know what I'm talking about). We found the best thing to do was keep the baby in our bedroom until roughly 3 months. At that point the baby gets his or her own room--baby monitors will give you some amount of comfort until the baby develops an 8-hour sleep pattern. With our second child, we didn't even go quite that far. By not tending to our child at all hours of the night, we forced her to learn to sleep faster. I never understand how it is couples we know have 3-year-olds who can't sleep in their own beds.
When they start crawling/walking, they go into what I call the pet stage. They like to be cuddled, of course, but they spend a lot of time exploring. Lock up all household cleaners and make sure they can't get to the rodent bait. Other than that, they're extremely independent as long as they can see you. We keep the "good toys" in the kitchen, but they never play in there unless we're cooking. Somehow they just know that they should stay close to the adults. If you have stairs, let them play on them. Going up is easy, but you might need to teach them how to crawl back down because it's kinda scary. We don't believe in "baby gates" at our house.
So after they start walking and the teeth start coming in, they go into what I call the "roommate" phase. Yeah, you still have to keep them clean, but that's about all the work you have to do. This can happen between 1 and 2 years. They start using words so you don't have to guess about what they want. We haven't gotten to potty training yet, but that's the next step. By 5 years, they don't really need you (if you've done your job). So after they get teeth, things are easy for the next 10-12 years, at which point you have to completely start over. By 16 years, you almost won't even KNOW you have children, and from 18-20 you just wonder what the hell happened and why it's so quiet in the house.
So yeah, it's only SLIGHTLY more complicated than that, but it's really nothing to be afraid of. Believe me, I was on the edge of a panic attack for about 18 months after my son was born. At some point during that time, I came to the realization that things weren't really all that difficult. I've managed to mellow out with my kids. My son needs a lot of, um--how do I put this?--"direction." My daughter is a little princess who, for some reason, does not ever want to be away from ME (of all people) and is extremely well-behaved, all things considered.
Don't knock parenthood, even for yourself. It's not that bad, and you'll likely be a lot better at it than you think you will.
+1
Each to their own I say.
Asp-Z wrote:
It's human nature to want sex, and as a teenager the hormones you get increase that. This aspect of human nature is good because, without it, we'd be extinct, won't we?
Most people will want to have sex at that age to fulfill that desire, and for NTs it carries a higher social position, which is why they also lie about it.
I reckon most people have done something by the age of 16, even if they haven't had sex yet, and those who actually have done it will have more experience than a virgin - that's just obvious.
Most people will want to have sex at that age to fulfill that desire, and for NTs it carries a higher social position, which is why they also lie about it.
I reckon most people have done something by the age of 16, even if they haven't had sex yet, and those who actually have done it will have more experience than a virgin - that's just obvious.
I know why NTs lie about it. If it matters that much to you, by all means do it for the sake of it. I just feel sorry for you. And by the way you're grossly mis-informed about most people doing something by the age of 16. The ones that have are usually the ones pushing a pram at 17.
As for experience, experience means nothing. You can be with 100 people and still be rubbish and useless. And there are virgins who are great in bed, I know this stuff, I am 25 years old, and women talk to each other about this stuff. My experience + other peoples experience points to this being true.
hale_bopp wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
It's human nature to want sex, and as a teenager the hormones you get increase that. This aspect of human nature is good because, without it, we'd be extinct, won't we?
Most people will want to have sex at that age to fulfill that desire, and for NTs it carries a higher social position, which is why they also lie about it.
I reckon most people have done something by the age of 16, even if they haven't had sex yet, and those who actually have done it will have more experience than a virgin - that's just obvious.
Most people will want to have sex at that age to fulfill that desire, and for NTs it carries a higher social position, which is why they also lie about it.
I reckon most people have done something by the age of 16, even if they haven't had sex yet, and those who actually have done it will have more experience than a virgin - that's just obvious.
I know why NTs lie about it. If it matters that much to you, by all means do it for the sake of it. I just feel sorry for you. And by the way you're grossly mis-informed about most people doing something by the age of 16. The ones that have are usually the ones pushing a pram at 17.
As for experience, experience means nothing. You can be with 100 people and still be rubbish and useless. And there are virgins who are great in bed, I know this stuff, I am 25 years old, and women talk to each other about this stuff. My experience + other peoples experience points to this being true.
You are totally missing his point.
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Asp-Z wrote:
Kenjuudo wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
People who say they don't want a family don't know what they're missing. To be perfectly honest, I always knew that children were to be a part of my life. It's just something about passing on my wisdom, knowledge, talent, and maybe even a little genetic information on beyond my death. But feeling compelled to do something and actually WANTING to are two completely different things. To that end, our oldest child was the only one we "wanted," while our daughter was unplanned. We were scared to death throughout both pregnancies (for different reasons, the second one was complicated) and had no idea how to raise a child. It's frightening, but I imagine it's frightening for most parents. We still face a lot of uncertainty. But in the end we've found we really love our children.
Think of it as a roommate mentality. They go through stages. The first stage is the waking up every 3 hours for feeding the diaper and changing the baby (yes, I wrote it correctly--if you're a parent, you know what I'm talking about). We found the best thing to do was keep the baby in our bedroom until roughly 3 months. At that point the baby gets his or her own room--baby monitors will give you some amount of comfort until the baby develops an 8-hour sleep pattern. With our second child, we didn't even go quite that far. By not tending to our child at all hours of the night, we forced her to learn to sleep faster. I never understand how it is couples we know have 3-year-olds who can't sleep in their own beds.
When they start crawling/walking, they go into what I call the pet stage. They like to be cuddled, of course, but they spend a lot of time exploring. Lock up all household cleaners and make sure they can't get to the rodent bait. Other than that, they're extremely independent as long as they can see you. We keep the "good toys" in the kitchen, but they never play in there unless we're cooking. Somehow they just know that they should stay close to the adults. If you have stairs, let them play on them. Going up is easy, but you might need to teach them how to crawl back down because it's kinda scary. We don't believe in "baby gates" at our house.
So after they start walking and the teeth start coming in, they go into what I call the "roommate" phase. Yeah, you still have to keep them clean, but that's about all the work you have to do. This can happen between 1 and 2 years. They start using words so you don't have to guess about what they want. We haven't gotten to potty training yet, but that's the next step. By 5 years, they don't really need you (if you've done your job). So after they get teeth, things are easy for the next 10-12 years, at which point you have to completely start over. By 16 years, you almost won't even KNOW you have children, and from 18-20 you just wonder what the hell happened and why it's so quiet in the house.
So yeah, it's only SLIGHTLY more complicated than that, but it's really nothing to be afraid of. Believe me, I was on the edge of a panic attack for about 18 months after my son was born. At some point during that time, I came to the realization that things weren't really all that difficult. I've managed to mellow out with my kids. My son needs a lot of, um--how do I put this?--"direction." My daughter is a little princess who, for some reason, does not ever want to be away from ME (of all people) and is extremely well-behaved, all things considered.
Don't knock parenthood, even for yourself. It's not that bad, and you'll likely be a lot better at it than you think you will.
25% of males never get any children is what I've heard. If that's the case (and I believe it is), then please stop spreading salt in their wounds! I have had many sexual encounters, but I will never have a kid. Not because I don't think anybody would want one with me (I've even been asked to make one), but because I don't want any. I find your comment a bit disrespectful toward my point of view.Think of it as a roommate mentality. They go through stages. The first stage is the waking up every 3 hours for feeding the diaper and changing the baby (yes, I wrote it correctly--if you're a parent, you know what I'm talking about). We found the best thing to do was keep the baby in our bedroom until roughly 3 months. At that point the baby gets his or her own room--baby monitors will give you some amount of comfort until the baby develops an 8-hour sleep pattern. With our second child, we didn't even go quite that far. By not tending to our child at all hours of the night, we forced her to learn to sleep faster. I never understand how it is couples we know have 3-year-olds who can't sleep in their own beds.
When they start crawling/walking, they go into what I call the pet stage. They like to be cuddled, of course, but they spend a lot of time exploring. Lock up all household cleaners and make sure they can't get to the rodent bait. Other than that, they're extremely independent as long as they can see you. We keep the "good toys" in the kitchen, but they never play in there unless we're cooking. Somehow they just know that they should stay close to the adults. If you have stairs, let them play on them. Going up is easy, but you might need to teach them how to crawl back down because it's kinda scary. We don't believe in "baby gates" at our house.
So after they start walking and the teeth start coming in, they go into what I call the "roommate" phase. Yeah, you still have to keep them clean, but that's about all the work you have to do. This can happen between 1 and 2 years. They start using words so you don't have to guess about what they want. We haven't gotten to potty training yet, but that's the next step. By 5 years, they don't really need you (if you've done your job). So after they get teeth, things are easy for the next 10-12 years, at which point you have to completely start over. By 16 years, you almost won't even KNOW you have children, and from 18-20 you just wonder what the hell happened and why it's so quiet in the house.
So yeah, it's only SLIGHTLY more complicated than that, but it's really nothing to be afraid of. Believe me, I was on the edge of a panic attack for about 18 months after my son was born. At some point during that time, I came to the realization that things weren't really all that difficult. I've managed to mellow out with my kids. My son needs a lot of, um--how do I put this?--"direction." My daughter is a little princess who, for some reason, does not ever want to be away from ME (of all people) and is extremely well-behaved, all things considered.
Don't knock parenthood, even for yourself. It's not that bad, and you'll likely be a lot better at it than you think you will.
+1
Each to their own I say.
You know what? You two make me sick!! ! Here I was trying to be encouraging, and all people like you do is try to put down someone just trying to spread a little optimism. Ugh!! !
I'm just kidding. Point taken, and I'll keep it under advisement.
hale_bopp wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
It's human nature to want sex, and as a teenager the hormones you get increase that. This aspect of human nature is good because, without it, we'd be extinct, won't we?
Most people will want to have sex at that age to fulfill that desire, and for NTs it carries a higher social position, which is why they also lie about it.
I reckon most people have done something by the age of 16, even if they haven't had sex yet, and those who actually have done it will have more experience than a virgin - that's just obvious.
Most people will want to have sex at that age to fulfill that desire, and for NTs it carries a higher social position, which is why they also lie about it.
I reckon most people have done something by the age of 16, even if they haven't had sex yet, and those who actually have done it will have more experience than a virgin - that's just obvious.
I know why NTs lie about it. If it matters that much to you, by all means do it for the sake of it. I just feel sorry for you. And by the way you're grossly mis-informed about most people doing something by the age of 16. The ones that have are usually the ones pushing a pram at 17.
As for experience, experience means nothing. You can be with 100 people and still be rubbish and useless. And there are virgins who are great in bed, I know this stuff, I am 25 years old, and women talk to each other about this stuff. My experience + other peoples experience points to this being true.
Sex means different things to different people. Some people are brought up in a religious environment that classifies it as almost holy or sacred act, restricted to two people in a lifelong relationship....
...and for some of us, it's just good fun and feels good, plus good exercise. I didn't have sex to impress my peers (though that was a nice side-effect) -- It was because it was what I wanted to do since I first knew what it was! It felt good!
billsmithglendale wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
It's human nature to want sex, and as a teenager the hormones you get increase that. This aspect of human nature is good because, without it, we'd be extinct, won't we?
Most people will want to have sex at that age to fulfill that desire, and for NTs it carries a higher social position, which is why they also lie about it.
I reckon most people have done something by the age of 16, even if they haven't had sex yet, and those who actually have done it will have more experience than a virgin - that's just obvious.
Most people will want to have sex at that age to fulfill that desire, and for NTs it carries a higher social position, which is why they also lie about it.
I reckon most people have done something by the age of 16, even if they haven't had sex yet, and those who actually have done it will have more experience than a virgin - that's just obvious.
I know why NTs lie about it. If it matters that much to you, by all means do it for the sake of it. I just feel sorry for you. And by the way you're grossly mis-informed about most people doing something by the age of 16. The ones that have are usually the ones pushing a pram at 17.
As for experience, experience means nothing. You can be with 100 people and still be rubbish and useless. And there are virgins who are great in bed, I know this stuff, I am 25 years old, and women talk to each other about this stuff. My experience + other peoples experience points to this being true.
Sex means different things to different people. Some people are brought up in a religious environment that classifies it as almost holy or sacred act, restricted to two people in a lifelong relationship....
...and for some of us, it's just good fun and feels good, plus good exercise. I didn't have sex to impress my peers (though that was a nice side-effect) -- It was because it was what I wanted to do since I first knew what it was! It felt good!
THIS.
Also, by the age of 16, most people have at least done something. If not proper sex, they've probably touched a boob or whatever. Trust me, I'm 15, I know this stuff
I'd also like to know how doing something, but not actual sex, would equate to pushing a pram by 17 as you say... You're making no sense.
As for the experience thing... Pracise makes perfect is a universal rule, I don't see why it would be different here.
Asp-Z wrote:
Also, by the age of 16, most people have at least done something. If not proper sex, they've probably touched a boob or whatever. Trust me, I'm 15, I know this stuff 
I'd also like to know how doing something, but not actual sex, would equate to pushing a pram by 17 as you say... You're making no sense.
As for the experience thing... Pracise makes perfect is a universal rule, I don't see why it would be different here.
I'd also like to know how doing something, but not actual sex, would equate to pushing a pram by 17 as you say... You're making no sense.
As for the experience thing... Pracise makes perfect is a universal rule, I don't see why it would be different here.
LMFAO
You've got absolutely no idea what you're talking about. It's a complete joke. The last bit really is the punchline. There is so, SO much more to great sex than just knowing where to put it and what do do with it.
hale_bopp wrote:
You've got absolutely no idea what you're talking about. It's a complete joke. The last bit really is the punchline. There is so, SO much more to great sex than just knowing where to put it and what do do with it.
Like what?
(I know that sounds insulting, but i'm actually curious as to this... i've felt that because i fell so far behind compared to my peers in this regard there was no way i could catch up.)
ToadOfSteel wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
You've got absolutely no idea what you're talking about. It's a complete joke. The last bit really is the punchline. There is so, SO much more to great sex than just knowing where to put it and what do do with it.
Like what?
(I know that sounds insulting, but i'm actually curious as to this... i've felt that because i fell so far behind compared to my peers in this regard there was no way i could catch up.)
Well really the secret is all about how the person behaves during it, how they treat their partner, what they do, then small details that are specific to each couple, it's all about communication and consideration.
A lot of men never get this no matter how many people they've been with. Also selfishness can ruin what could be a great lay.

