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27 Nov 2010, 11:01 am

emlion wrote:

:lol: haha - well i do enjoy surprise sex...

Me tooo! XD

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27 Nov 2010, 11:19 am

1. Of COURSE rape is much, much worse than being romantically challenged. It also makes a more compelling, dramatic story for TV, which is in the business of creating stuff that people are actually interested in watching.

2. Much of the commentary here is based on the cartoonish stereotype of men as sexual predators who are only interested in sex. This is not only objectively ridiculous, but also deeply offensive and inappropriate for a "support" forum for AS people such as this.

Take your misandrynistic nonsense somewhere where it's actually appreciated.

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27 Nov 2010, 11:35 am

Grisha wrote:

2. Much of the commentary here is based on the cartoonish stereotype of men as sexual predators who are only interested in sex. This is not only objectively ridiculous, but also deeply offensive and inappropriate for a "support" forum for AS people such as this.

Take your misandrynistic nonsense somewhere where it's actually appreciated.

please point out exactly where this occurred, or are you making this up?

anyway it is not misandrist to state that 91% of rape victims are women, and that 99% of offenders are male.

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27 Nov 2010, 11:46 am

The OP is a f**ktard. Not getting laid is nothing compared to emotional/financial/psychological/sexual/physical abuse.

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27 Nov 2010, 11:51 am

hyperlexian wrote:

Grisha wrote:

please point out exactly where this occurred, or are you making this up?

anyway it is not misandrist to state that 91% of rape victims are women, and that 99% of offenders are male.

Listen very carefully:

Rape is bad, it is always bad, it is a horrible, violent crime for which there is no punishment which adequately compensates the victim. Everyone, including 100% of the people who post here believes this deeply.

Do you understand?

Having said that, I offer the example from this thread:

"You have a warped opinion because you feel sorry for yourself that you aren't getting laid. "

This reeks of the notion that men are irreedemable sexual predators and incapable of needing any sort of human contact besides anonymous intercourse. I see this accusation being leveled at poster after poster and I have finally gotten so sick of it that I have to speak up.

Deeply offensive. Objectively false. Inappropriate for this forum. Period.

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27 Nov 2010, 11:58 am

Grisha wrote:

how do you know that it is false? there is nothing objective about your statement.

do you understand?

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27 Nov 2010, 12:17 pm

Grisha wrote:

This reeks of the notion that men are irreedemable sexual predators and incapable of needing any sort of human contact besides anonymous intercourse. I see this accusation being leveled at poster after poster and I have finally gotten so sick of it that I have to speak up.

Where do sexual predators come into it? In case you haven't noticed, which you obviously haven't, the OP mentions "lack of SEX life" and "people don't deserve as much pity if they have cancer because they get SEX"

Its safe to assume that it's about intercourse. No-one said anything about anonymous.

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27 Nov 2010, 12:33 pm

well, to me it sounds like you would want to have a social life... by choice. if someone raped you or something horrible like that, would you blame yourself? i'm just saying...

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27 Nov 2010, 1:07 pm

hale_bopp wrote:

Grisha wrote:

Point taken, the OP was clearly talking about sex and I missed it.

Perhaps I was reading a little too much of "myself" into it: I hate it when people invalidate my feelings caused by social isolation/lack of intimacy as simply me being petulant over "not getting laid"

Obviously it's much more than that to me and most of the other guys here, with the possible exception of the OP.

Mea culpa

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27 Nov 2010, 1:46 pm

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well, to me it sounds like you would want to have a social life... by choice. if someone raped you or something horrible like that, would you blame yourself? i'm just saying...

That's ridiculous.
All this is, is self pity.

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27 Nov 2010, 3:49 pm

what exactly is so wrong with self-pity in a forum? Sure it makes one feel like s**t but it's not a freaking crime. The guy wants to get his feelings off his chest and he's entitled to express himself. This is like a support forum, last time I checked. Personally, I don't go word for word making sure everything I write will be understood and approved of by everyone who reads it. Who freaking cares? Why should the majority of responses take it so personally and to heart? If you've been abused or raped, etc. etc, you don't need to explain yourself, and neither should the lonely guys. Sure I don't agree with what he's writing but I can kinda get what he's trying to say. I've been abused and cancer runs rampant in my family and I'm a lonely person.
I'm just sick of people always doing that. Taking s**t out of context and twisting it around. I doubt people come here because they're looking for more ways of dealing with more intolerance. Why not let the guy say what he has to say if he feels like it? It's a free country. Maybe he might change his mind sometime about what he thinks or wrote to offend everybody.

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27 Nov 2010, 3:58 pm

leozelig wrote:

what exactly is so wrong with self-pity in a forum? Sure it makes one feel like sh** but it's not a freaking crime. The guy wants to get his feelings off his chest and he's entitled to express himself. This is like a support forum, last time I checked. Personally, I don't go word for word making sure everything I write will be understood and approved of by everyone who reads it. Who freaking cares? Why should the majority of responses take it so personally and to heart? If you've been abused or raped, etc. etc, you don't need to explain yourself, and neither should the lonely guys. Sure I don't agree with what he's writing but I can kinda get what he's trying to say. I've been abused and cancer runs rampant in my family and I'm a lonely person.
I'm just sick of people always doing that. Taking sh** out of context and twisting it around. I doubt people come here because they're looking for more ways of dealing with more intolerance. Why not let the guy say what he has to say if he feels like it? It's a free country. Maybe he might change his mind sometime about what he thinks or wrote to offend everybody.

Amen.

I enthusiastically agree with every word.

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27 Nov 2010, 4:01 pm

leozelig wrote:

what exactly is so wrong with self-pity in a forum? Sure it makes one feel like sh** but it's not a freaking crime. The guy wants to get his feelings off his chest and he's entitled to express himself. This is a support forum, last time I checked. Personally, I don't go word for word making sure everything I write will be understood and approved of by everyone who reads it. Who freaking cares? Why should the majority of you take it so personally and to heart? If you've been abused or raped, etc. etc, you don't need to explain yourself, and neither should the lonely guys. Sure I don't agree with what he's writing but I can kinda get what he's trying to say.
I'm just sick of people always doing that. Taking sh** out of context and twisting it around. I doubt people come here because they're looking for more ways of dealing with more intolerance. Why not let the guy say what he has to say if he feels like it? It's a free country. Maybe he might change his mind sometime about what he thinks or wrote to offend everybody.

we took what he said exactly in context. nobody twisted it - he said those words, and we reacted to them. you seem to be saying that we should read more deeply into what he said, but we took it at face value.

of course, a person can wallow in self-pity. but if someone does so in a manner that disrespects the traumatic experiences of other people, then that person will get called out for it. the OP's rant was disrespectful to people who have experienced those things.

we have just as much right to react, and to feel, and to speak. nobody gets to be "precious" and deserves to be tiptoed around, except in the Haven.

he later apologized, basically, so i'm not sure why you feel the need to defend the initial position.

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27 Nov 2010, 9:22 pm

Grisha wrote:

This... except in most threads started by the romantically challenged men on this forum. Every time we want to post our feelings on this forum, we're told to just "suck it up", "be a man", "do something about it or stop complaining", etc. How are people like us supposed to just "walk off" a paralyzing fear that has crippled us socially for most of our adult lives? That's like asking a paraplegic to take up your bed and go home...

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27 Nov 2010, 9:24 pm

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Grisha wrote:

Toad, you aren't the only person here who is afraid of the opposite sex. I can't even look at most guys. For that reason I have been single pretty much my whole life and NT males think i'm weird.

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27 Nov 2010, 9:35 pm

How many people tell you to suck it up? I'm pretty sure I never have...

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