Does "dating" just mean "sex"?

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11 Feb 2011, 10:18 am

Lonermutant wrote:
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Hey, this troll is back. Long time no see, Lonertroll.


If a man asks his date/prospective girlfriend when they are going to have sex, it's pretty obvious that he's not interested in her as a girlfriend, but as a sex toy.


Not at all. Nearly all relationships involve sex, and if your partner shows aversion to it, you may ask about the subject to see if there are any problems with need to be addressed.


The problem is that he obviously tried to get her into bed.


Prove it.


Quote: "He told me he's interested in me as a person, and also interested in my body. But the very week we officially started "dating," he brought up the topic of when we were going to have sex."
She should have ridiculed the moron in public.


The only saving grace about trolls is that sometimes they provide a vehicle for discussing angles of a topic that wouldn't otherwise be discussed by people with common sense. Sometimes it's good to get those common sense statements out there that a lot of us take for granted.

I would feel that a man wasn't interested in me if I didn't sense any physical desire from him in addition to intellectual interest. That's for someone that I just met and started dating. The OP's situation is different. Considering they have known each other for years, it is like he has "time served" for waiting for sex. He has an established comfort level with her from years of friendship, so not only does he feel that he can talk to her about anything but it seems okay to discuss "the next level" within the first week. He wants things to move forward and wants her to know that he wants her. There's nothing wrong with that. The discussion that has to be made clear is the one about her asexuality. What happens from there is significant to whether or not they can continue as a couple. We know it's possible for a couple to have a health and happy relationship involving asexuality but this is crucial to the individuals involved in the relationship. Their success will be dependent on whether or not they are right for each other, even with years of friendship beneath them.



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11 Feb 2011, 10:25 am

wefunction wrote:
Lonermutant wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
Lonermutant wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
Lonermutant wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
Hey, this troll is back. Long time no see, Lonertroll.


If a man asks his date/prospective girlfriend when they are going to have sex, it's pretty obvious that he's not interested in her as a girlfriend, but as a sex toy.


Not at all. Nearly all relationships involve sex, and if your partner shows aversion to it, you may ask about the subject to see if there are any problems with need to be addressed.


The problem is that he obviously tried to get her into bed.


Prove it.


Quote: "He told me he's interested in me as a person, and also interested in my body. But the very week we officially started "dating," he brought up the topic of when we were going to have sex."
She should have ridiculed the moron in public.


The only saving grace about trolls is that sometimes they provide a vehicle for discussing angles of a topic that wouldn't otherwise be discussed by people with common sense. Sometimes it's good to get those common sense statements out there that a lot of us take for granted.

I would feel that a man wasn't interested in me if I didn't sense any physical desire from him in addition to intellectual interest. That's for someone that I just met and started dating. The OP's situation is different. Considering they have known each other for years, it is like he has "time served" for waiting for sex. He has an established comfort level with her from years of friendship, so not only does he feel that he can talk to her about anything but it seems okay to discuss "the next level" within the first week. He wants things to move forward and wants her to know that he wants her. There's nothing wrong with that. The discussion that has to be made clear is the one about her asexuality. What happens from there is significant to whether or not they can continue as a couple. We know it's possible for a couple to have a health and happy relationship involving asexuality but this is crucial to the individuals involved in the relationship. Their success will be dependent on whether or not they are right for each other, even with years of friendship beneath them.


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11 Feb 2011, 10:26 am

a goldstar for wefuction. 8)



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11 Feb 2011, 2:06 pm

He still seems creepy to me.



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11 Feb 2011, 2:07 pm

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He still seems creepy to me.


well then, don't date him. 8)



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11 Feb 2011, 2:10 pm

Lonermutant wrote:
He still seems creepy to me.


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11 Feb 2011, 3:19 pm

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I'm going out on a limb and on ASP-Z side this time around. I didn't see his original comment as rude or insulting you one bit. Nor did I see it as some kind of form of "ignorant" statement. I too would make a comment, not because I'm ignorant or dumb or whatever, but because it is a funny word. Are we no longer allowed to point out funny words?
I think the person who started not so polite comments was yourself. I saw nothing wrong with Asp-z post.?

Most non-heterosexuals would be reasonable to assume that when someone says, of their orientation "sounds like you just strung a bunch of words together", and "that sounds stupid" that said person is taking a jab at their orientation, not reading words aloud to themselves, lulzing, and then making a forum post about the lulzing.
Forgive me for thinking this was likely the case. :roll:


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11 Feb 2011, 4:49 pm

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I'm going out on a limb and on ASP-Z side this time around. I didn't see his original comment as rude or insulting you one bit. Nor did I see it as some kind of form of "ignorant" statement. I too would make a comment, not because I'm ignorant or dumb or whatever, but because it is a funny word. Are we no longer allowed to point out funny words?
I think the person who started not so polite comments was yourself. I saw nothing wrong with Asp-z post.?

Most non-heterosexuals would be reasonable to assume that when someone says, of their orientation "sounds like you just strung a bunch of words together", and "that sounds stupid" that said person is taking a jab at their orientation, not reading words aloud to themselves, lulzing, and then making a forum post about the lulzing.
Forgive me for thinking this was likely the case. :roll:


Dunno where you got this idea from. I made a comment on the wording, not the orientation.



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11 Feb 2011, 10:37 pm

Let's turn the clock back 100 years.

In those days they talked about "courting" or "walking out"

Young people would meet each other (after being properly introduced)

A young man might ask if he could "call on" a young woman or escort her to an acceptable social function.

After a while the young men and young ladies of the same social circle would tend to pair off and agree to marry each other.

Just because a young woman might have six "suitors" certainly didn't mean that she had sex with six men before she made up her mind.

Jane Austin and Queen Victoria would be spinning in their graves at such a thought.

Can you imagine Pollyanna or Ann of Green Gables having it off with half the boys in town before they choose the one they like best?



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12 Feb 2011, 5:15 am

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Can you imagine Pollyanna or Ann of Green Gables having it off with half the boys in town before they choose the one they like best?


Yeah, they'd just have kept it a secret is all. I'm willing to bet you good money that a lot of women 100 years ago still slept around, they just made sure no one else found out about it.



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12 Feb 2011, 8:05 am

At least Wombat is being honest when he considers over 100 years ago to be "the good ol' days". Men usually stop at the 1950's. Ahhh... remember the days when if a woman didn't get married she had no value and was scorned by society as "an old maid"? Wasn't that a sweet time? :roll:

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Can you imagine Pollyanna or Ann of Green Gables having it off with half the boys in town before they choose the one they like best?


By the way, it's Anne with an "e".



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13 Feb 2011, 2:09 am

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By the way, it's Anne with an "e".


No it isn't. In the books she wanted it to be Anne with an e and was annoyed that her name was plain old "Ann".



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13 Feb 2011, 11:39 am

Wombat wrote:
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By the way, it's Anne with an "e".


No it isn't. In the books she wanted it to be Anne with an e and was annoyed that her name was plain old "Ann".


Dear god, you're really trying to argue Anne of Green Gables with me?! When her first suggestion of Cordelia was refused, she spelled Anne with an "e" and insisted that it be spelled with an "e". The title of the books are with an "e". Her name is spelled with an "e" throughout the books. Would like to quarrel about Pippie Long Stocking or Nancy Drew next?



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14 Feb 2011, 1:07 am

wefunction wrote:
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By the way, it's Anne with an "e".


No it isn't. In the books she wanted it to be Anne with an e and was annoyed that her name was plain old "Ann".


Dear god, you're really trying to argue Anne of Green Gables with me?! When her first suggestion of Cordelia was refused, she spelled Anne with an "e" and insisted that it be spelled with an "e". The title of the books are with an "e". Her name is spelled with an "e" throughout the books. Would like to quarrel about Pippie Long Stocking or Nancy Drew next?


I haven't read the books in many years. I bow to your superior knowledge and offer my most humble apologies. :oops:



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14 Feb 2011, 8:24 am

Wombat wrote:
wefunction wrote:
Wombat wrote:
wefunction wrote:
By the way, it's Anne with an "e".


No it isn't. In the books she wanted it to be Anne with an e and was annoyed that her name was plain old "Ann".


Dear god, you're really trying to argue Anne of Green Gables with me?! When her first suggestion of Cordelia was refused, she spelled Anne with an "e" and insisted that it be spelled with an "e". The title of the books are with an "e". Her name is spelled with an "e" throughout the books. Would like to quarrel about Pippie Long Stocking or Nancy Drew next?


I haven't read the books in many years. I bow to your superior knowledge and offer my most humble apologies. :oops:


It was a childhood favorite of mine and I just read these again with my daughter. :wink:



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15 Feb 2011, 12:29 am

wefunction wrote:
It was a childhood favorite of mine and I just read these again with my daughter. :wink:


Ahh... a lover of classic children's literature. :D
Go to http://www.gutenberg.org/catalog/
There you will find all the classic tales from the 19th century.

For example did you know that there about 15 Oz books?

I especially recommend the works of Edith Nesbit who wrote "The Secret Garden" and "The Railway Children".

Try Kipling's "The Brushwood Boy" or read all the novels of Edgar Rice Burroughs.
Enjoy. :D