Say no to pick up a**holes

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Every time I read this thread title I think "why would anyone want to pick up a**holes"?

Spongy you are 161 years old according to your profile and I must respect my elders so I won't call someone a narcissist anymore. K?

LOL

I don't understand the fuss about PUA, a lot of that stuff actually really helped me gain some solid social skills. I never used it to manipulate anyone, and I'm not a pick-up artist either. But there were elements of it that were a great help.

This is very biased, since the PUA "tactics" are very very broad. They are not centered on dishonesty like this person is saying, they are tools. And a tool is not morally subjective, only the people that use them. I understand that you may have had experiences with some people who are immature and are merely using such skills selfishly and poorly, but that doesn't mean you should tar it all with the same brush.

The drawback of not having something like PUA is that a lot of guys will end up not having the skills necessary to attract a woman. Trust me, a lot of guys fail in that area, HARD. Quite a few get lucky, but that's that. It's easy to say "just be yourself" and all that stuff that a lot of women say to guys, but when I read PUA stuff, I didn't agree with 100% of it, but a lot of it was helpful in motivating me to improve myself, how I socialized with people (men AND women) and being more confident as a result.

So I don't think that you should label the whole thing as manipulation and being an a**hole or whatever. It's an inaccurate generalisation from my standpoint. I'm not attacking you, but I feel that as someone who has been helped by PUA material, that guys like me who only want to improve our social relations with women in general (not just to get laid), are being attacked as a result.

gtw1983

I think the protest against PUA is this whole idea that guys have to be totally upfront with their desires and "ask a woman out". That can work, but not by itself, you're asking for a big fat "no" (or at least a deflection of sorts). This whole idea of "being yourself" until the right one comes along for you to ask out is, again, asking for problems. You won't get anywhere, especially with women whom you are actually interested in.

Focusing on the way it "should" be, rather than the way it "is".

You could have lots of money, a car, a unique personality, all that stuff......but if you have no idea how to "talk" to a woman (on that kind of level), you won't be able to have a sustaining relationship, not that I have seen anyway. A lot of people get lucky though, so if that's your strategy, good luck. But as a young man, that strategy is unlikely to pay off in the way you want it to.

I must reiterate that myself, the poster above me (gtw), and other young men like us, have to be able to read social encounters and act accordingly, and that is what PUA enables us to do. With or without "manipulation" as you call it. The information is free to use however you wish.

You can just read their own words Mount Zion. What they are doing is cult like. If you want ONE woman you have oneitis. As if you have a disease and you are degraded and insulted for having feelings. That is why I say it's bad for men and women.

This is how cults operate. Not only is it brainwashing men and making them feel humiliation if they try these "techniques" to get one woman but it's negative towards women. It's sole purpose is to treat women like sexual objects and you as a man aren't allowed to have feelings. Can you not see the brainwashing aspect?


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"i got the feeling she was playing games ... even if she didn't play games i don't care - im not making an appointment to talk to someone while waiting 15 minutes for that person to reply. she thinks she is important but actually im going to date other hot woman as well.. she isn't the prize here...this is my life and i value it - im always the prize.

she is really high value woman but for some 'reason i don't care lol .. i feel 0% emotions....because i feel 0 % emotions ; was i being harsh and impatient ?"

I usually don't generalize but in this case, I will because I know even though some people go in as people who really want to get better socially, they end up becoming just like everyone else apart of that cult.

"Oneitis" is usually defined as the behaviours displayed by an untrained desperate man when he has fallen in love, not necessarily falling for one girl. Smothering, jealously, self hatred, giving her everything she wants, never standing up to her, seeking validation. This behaviour is highly unattractive to women. I bet almost all of you have said "Let's just be friends" to a man like that in your life. It is rightly shunned.

And a cult? Really? Please understand from my point of view the manosphere "cured" me of my brainwashing

You should say no to unwiped a**holes
I think I've been reading Boo's post to much

I love how these kinds of guys love controlling other women yet they can't control themselves. I am being sarcastic.

These men need to be avoided not only for their stupid drama and because they lack the courage to be honest but because there is a higher risk of STD's from those that sleep around alot. These kinds of men don't think with their actual brain but their little head. If a woman accepts his little come on, they don't bother to think that perhaps she's done that MULTIPLE TIMES and if she's that easy she just might give him something or he's already caught something and is passing it around.

Men try to defend themselves by pretending they ALWAYS wear a condom but that's a lie because once the lady says she's on birth control...he'd rather feel the full effect and if he has such little care in general and refuses to think about the long term always going for things that will get him what he wants in the short term then it's obvious he could care less about putting a condom on his penis.


Then you also have babies being born into this world without a father because the father was too busy not giving a f**k about anything but his penis. The pattern repeats.

That is why I am putting ALL men who are in this cult into the same category because even if you didn't start off as this kind of person, eventually you become that way because like a cult, it's part of the training with different levels and rankings. If you do end up liking ONE woman, they treat you as though you aren't just up in the ranks. You are an amateur.

So while the men are engaging in these activities with the front of "just helping a man out" it's up to us women to not give into your childish manipulative antics and leave you to target the easier women that will probably give you the fast way out of life because those women have been around.

If you go through life thinking everything is supposed to be about the fast way, you end up losing your life the fast way.

I have been a bit picky in my reading repertoire, I tend to gravitate towards the less misogynistic (in the traditional sense of the word) more philosophical blogs. My favourites are the musings of happily married men who apply the principles to spice up their relationships.