How important is money really?

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31 Oct 2011, 4:10 pm

I think that money can make a big difference in a male's perceived attractiveness as a high level of importance is placed on money in our society. I think asking a forum full of aspies about the importance of money is likely to result in a misleading consensus - it seems most aspies do not place the importance on money that others do.

I know for myself that I sometimes puzzle my parents with my lack of interest in accumulating as much money and property long term as I can (for them, as for many others, this seems to be the central goal in life - what one works towards and a measure of ones overall achievement). For myself, I think like any resource it's important to conserve money and not waste it on unnecessary purchases, but I feel there's really only a limited amount of money one needs in life - like water, after a certain extent you're really just leaving the taps running for no reason. Everything you need and most things you would be likely to want you can buy once you reach a certain monetary threshold (which I personally don't think is nearly as high as everybody else seems to think it does) you can have. After that people are selling the exact same items for an inflated price, while attaching cultural meaning to them to distinguish them from identical less expensive items.

There are much more important things to work towards in life than money. But I won't go into that for fear of running off-topic.

Regarding male attractiveness, I find a man who is able to support himself with what he has (as I do) attractive. I don't find dependency or the need to live off the money I have attractive, unless that person has good reason for being unable to support themselves. However, I do meet many people who have trouble getting buy because they do not conserve money properly and then complain that they never have enough and/or do not get the amount they are entitled to. This is unattractive.

As to the actual amount of money one has, this is really pretty irrelevant. It's how one utilizes the money that's important. That being said, I have no problem with people "treating themselves" - a.k.a. buying unnecessary items, or overpriced items with cultural significance, within the means of their individual budget (whatever that may be). I believe this still falls under sensible utilization of money and budgeting.

Personally, I'm currently on a pretty low income but I'm good at conserving money and I've never felt I haven't had enough money to live the way I want.


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31 Oct 2011, 6:35 pm

Women that find men with money attractive deserves to be treated in the manner she acts ie a prostitute, lower middle income and below the label is waved.

I can be a bum on minimum wage (which is where I'll end up after having spent the last 10 years on disability) but I do not care :) and still live like a king how many people can say that. :wink:


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31 Oct 2011, 6:48 pm

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I can be a bum on minimum wage (which is where I'll end up after having spent the last 10 years on disability) but I do not care :) and still live like a king how many people can say that. :wink:


^ Yeah, that.



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31 Oct 2011, 6:56 pm

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You pay to much attention to internet articles and videos.
In reality, from what I've noticed, Business women usually attract business men and they're happy. They get married and stuff and live their life their way.


There are some who say women choose high status careers to get on the radar of high status men. I guarantee the vast majority of those women "marry up".


Who, you and your WP buddy?

Seriously, I know enough business people to know this is rarely the case.



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31 Oct 2011, 6:58 pm

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and it speaks more to society's issues that women of higher education have a harder time finding love - perhaps with time our culture will adjust. no reason for women to adjust their ambitions to suit old-fashioned ideals.


The old fashioned ideals worked because they had their roots in reality. The reality of female attractiveness, female fertility and male psychology.

I'll repeat some of my insensitive advice for young ladies reading.

- You are as attractive as you are ever going to be when you are ages 18-25, nothing you can do will stop the plunge. Yes it's different for men, yes it's unfair.
- Get or stay thin, fat destroys your looks.
- Pursuing a high-powered career will not make you more attractive to men. It may get you introductions to high status men, but there are ways around it without the massive investment of time and energy.
- Think long (but not 20 years) and hard about whether you want children ever. If yes, have them young, in your 20s. Fertility is a cruel joke, it starts to drop quite rapidly after age 27, age 35 is considered a geriatric pregnancy and is fraught with complications. What's more your children tend to be healthier. Every celeb you see who conceives at 40 has plugged massive amounts of money into fertility treatments, that's not going to be you.
- Post graduate education can wait or be done part time.
- You should know that for 99% of the human race (men and women) having children is the most fulfilling, most rewarding thing you can do with your life. Over career, over education, everything. It is the biological imperative.
- Every guy you screw lowers your relationship/marriage value, but increases your "pump and dump" value.
- Ignore the advice of single women when it comes to relationships. Actually ignore the ones in relationships too, sexual competition among women is brutal, they are not your friends.
- If you don't want to work, don't. That is your privilege and your kids will probably be better off too.

You might think I would say wait until marriage before having sex, but I've seen first hand how women who chose that path end up alone, no matter how good looking they are. When guys are surrounded by slu*ty girls willing to take it in the ass on the first date, what's a girl to do? Making them wait is key, it helps weed out the players from the keepers. How long I will leave up to discussion.

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So it's only men that care to make more than their partners? Do men "marry down"?


Yes we marry down, our monkey brains think it increases the chances of her remaining loyal.


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31 Oct 2011, 7:30 pm

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I prefer guys from a working-class background, just because I can more easily relate to that. And, although I'm now an educated professional, to this day being around someone from a very privileged background still makes me feel like white trash.


Actually, I am the exact opposite, I sort of feel superior to anyone who isn't self-made - spending your parent's money doesn't really impress me all that much.

Plus "old money" people tend to be impossibly lame at even the simplest tasks - Growing up in Orange County, I have seen some hilarious things along these lines. Many of those people can't even get out of their own way... :roll:

I'll save my admiration and respect for someone who lifted themselves out of the trailer park any day of the week...


Well, thank-you, Grisha. I was going to make a Rodney Dangerfield-type joke about getting respect, but I'll let that go and mention that I managed to do just that on my own--without 'marrying up.'



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31 Oct 2011, 7:41 pm

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I prefer guys from a working-class background, just because I can more easily relate to that. And, although I'm now an educated professional, to this day being around someone from a very privileged background still makes me feel like white trash.


Actually, I am the exact opposite, I sort of feel superior to anyone who isn't self-made - spending your parent's money doesn't really impress me all that much.

Plus "old money" people tend to be impossibly lame at even the simplest tasks - Growing up in Orange County, I have seen some hilarious things along these lines. Many of those people can't even get out of their own way... :roll:

I'll save my admiration and respect for someone who lifted themselves out of the trailer park any day of the week...


Well, thank-you, Grisha. I was going to make a Rodney Dangerfield-type joke about getting respect, but I'll let that go and mention that I managed to do just that on my own--without 'marrying up.'


My pleasure! :)



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31 Oct 2011, 11:20 pm

I personally find it quite offensive that it's been suggested women 'marry up'. The implication here is that women can't or won't be the bread winners. This is definitely not the case. One look at a stay at home father forum will tell you this.


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01 Nov 2011, 4:57 am

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^wouldnt it be less work to look for a job


No, for many pretty young girls finding a sugar daddy or even a slightly older yet wealthy guy would be more lucrative (seducing a guy for months would be easier than working for 10 years in some job in order to make some wealth) than a job, and in most cases.....it IS.



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01 Nov 2011, 5:35 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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^wouldnt it be less work to look for a job


No, for many pretty young girls finding a sugar daddy or even a slightly older yet wealthy guy would be more lucrative (seducing a guy for months would be easier than working for 10 years in some job in order to make some wealth) than a job, and in most cases.....it IS.


I have to agree with Boo on this one. It's a lot easier to exploit your sexuality as a woman to earn money than get an every day job.

I could get a job at $100 + an hour exploiting my sexuality at the drop of a hat, yet I struggle to get anything normal over 15 dollars an hour because it's so competitive.



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01 Nov 2011, 8:02 am

blueroses wrote:
Grisha wrote:
blueroses wrote:
I prefer guys from a working-class background, just because I can more easily relate to that. And, although I'm now an educated professional, to this day being around someone from a very privileged background still makes me feel like white trash.


Actually, I am the exact opposite, I sort of feel superior to anyone who isn't self-made - spending your parent's money doesn't really impress me all that much.

Plus "old money" people tend to be impossibly lame at even the simplest tasks - Growing up in Orange County, I have seen some hilarious things along these lines. Many of those people can't even get out of their own way... :roll:

I'll save my admiration and respect for someone who lifted themselves out of the trailer park any day of the week...


Well, thank-you, Grisha. I was going to make a Rodney Dangerfield-type joke about getting respect, but I'll let that go and mention that I managed to do just that on my own--without 'marrying up.'


Self made is definitely worth more respect. I actually feel awful if I haven't earned things. I have always been around a mix of people but only the ones in debt, trying to look like well to do, looked down on others.
Working people have better more interesting stories too.



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01 Nov 2011, 8:11 am

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I have to agree with Boo on this one. It's a lot easier to exploit your sexuality as a woman to earn money than get an every day job.


Yes, but what happens when you have to hand your "business" over to someone younger? (which in the case of women can be at 25?)

That "every day job" will surpass the "easy money" in no time - and you won't be the one who is starving...



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01 Nov 2011, 8:51 am

Grisha wrote:
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I have to agree with Boo on this one. It's a lot easier to exploit your sexuality as a woman to earn money than get an every day job.


Yes, but what happens when you have to hand your "business" over to someone younger? (which in the case of women can be at 25?)

That "every day job" will surpass the "easy money" in no time - and you won't be the one who is starving...

very, very good point. women trying to maintain their positions in a youth-oriented "business" quickly become caricatures propped up with botox and silicone. :eew: prostituting oneself, either through working the street or marrying rich, is not a long-term solution.


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I have to agree with Boo on this one. It's a lot easier to exploit your sexuality as a woman to earn money than get an every day job.


Yes, but what happens when you have to hand your "business" over to someone younger? (which in the case of women can be at 25?)

That "every day job" will surpass the "easy money" in no time - and you won't be the one who is starving...

very, very good point. women trying to maintain their positions in a youth-oriented "business" quickly become caricatures propped up with botox and silicone. :eew: prostituting oneself, either through working the street or marrying rich, is not a long-term solution.


Yes, living in the OC I see a lot of these (ever watch Real Housewives?)

There are few more pitiable creatures than a woman trying to work her game well past her prime - and this is astonishingly young because their ability to compete fades very quickly in that world.

It's sad, but everyone has to live with their choices...



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01 Nov 2011, 9:22 am

Grisha wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
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hale_bopp wrote:
I have to agree with Boo on this one. It's a lot easier to exploit your sexuality as a woman to earn money than get an every day job.


Yes, but what happens when you have to hand your "business" over to someone younger? (which in the case of women can be at 25?)

That "every day job" will surpass the "easy money" in no time - and you won't be the one who is starving...

very, very good point. women trying to maintain their positions in a youth-oriented "business" quickly become caricatures propped up with botox and silicone. :eew: prostituting oneself, either through working the street or marrying rich, is not a long-term solution.


Yes, living in the OC I see a lot of these (ever watch Real Housewives?)

There are few more pitiable creatures than a woman trying to work her game well past her prime - and this is astonishingly young because their ability to compete fades very quickly in that world.

It's sad, but everyone has to live with their choices...

agreed. i would not say that everyone who marries a rich man (or woman!) is completely shallow or "in it for the money". but as time passes it become painfully obvious which ones made that choice and for what reasons. further i think insecurity on both ends (i.e. "did he marry me for my looks?" and "did she marry me for money?") can eventually destroy some relationships that may have started off as legitimate love matches.


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01 Nov 2011, 3:31 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
Grisha wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
Grisha wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
I have to agree with Boo on this one. It's a lot easier to exploit your sexuality as a woman to earn money than get an every day job.


Yes, but what happens when you have to hand your "business" over to someone younger? (which in the case of women can be at 25?)

That "every day job" will surpass the "easy money" in no time - and you won't be the one who is starving...

very, very good point. women trying to maintain their positions in a youth-oriented "business" quickly become caricatures propped up with botox and silicone. :eew: prostituting oneself, either through working the street or marrying rich, is not a long-term solution.


Yes, living in the OC I see a lot of these (ever watch Real Housewives?)

There are few more pitiable creatures than a woman trying to work her game well past her prime - and this is astonishingly young because their ability to compete fades very quickly in that world.

It's sad, but everyone has to live with their choices...

agreed. i would not say that everyone who marries a rich man (or woman!) is completely shallow or "in it for the money". but as time passes it become painfully obvious which ones made that choice and for what reasons. further i think insecurity on both ends (i.e. "did he marry me for my looks?" and "did she marry me for money?") can eventually destroy some relationships that may have started off as legitimate love matches.


You are right about the fact that insecurity destroys relationships. A balance must be achieved. When meeting someone new, assessments must be made. Is this person what they seem? What is their motivation? Those on the spectrum are more challenged to judge correctly, I think. At some point, however, long term relationships require some measure of faith. I don't have religious faith, but I have made the leap before. Can I again? I don't know. Fear of being scammed is the main obstacle for me.

More on topic, I think most women are open to marrying on their economic level, or even below. However, their prospective partner should be able to carry his economic weight, in order to share the burden in the marriage reasonably equally. If either of the partners are able to achieve enough security for two people on their own, then more flexibility is possible. Those who want a family, of course, have to be taken into account on this subject. That requires more income than a two person household would.

One way or another, most people hope to achieve a lifestyle similar to what they grew up with. Many will do almost anything necessary to achieve this. Not necessarily the majority of people. Notice I wrote "people" both male and female.