What is the main reason why guys have to do the approaching?
Ugh, I dont even know? Its just another way that originated from tradition that men do all the intiating. And women in turn play games with there head. Women are not suppose to straightfowardly initiate the relationship. If they want the guy, they have to flirt subtly and play with his head. Con them into him asking her out? I know it sounds strange but I suck at getting pursured. I either want the guy or I dont. I found, I like to chase people? And frankly thats just not the way it works with my sex. So it seems guys will come after me if Im "not" interested in them? Why? Cause I do not chase them but then Im not interested? Im confused. w/e
You either have to adapt, or pray that you'll catch the eye of a girl who bucks tradition.
it gets annoying how girls always argue, say that "guys are hunters, blah blah blah", pisses me off too, i also hate it, it gets annoying, frustrating, on how life, society, culture, or just people in general, they always use the sexist phrases, quotes towards us guys "Man Up, Be a Man, Grow a Pair, Grow Some Balls, Sack it Up" makes me feel like punching a guy, dude who would say that to me in person

Not all modern women require this of men, but each person is an individual, and yes, cultural acceptance is also something that affects us. Also, to a great degree, what the men were like that we grew up with. My husband was actually pretty shy when we met, I think he only asked me out because my BIL pressured him to. He's never hunted, he treats our cats like babies, and he loves to cook. But one thing he had in common with my dad and brothers was that he liked to work on cars, and for some reason I felt at home with that. In contrast there was a guy I dated once, and it was a complete turn-off to me to learn that he didn't even know how to check the oil level in his car. Because the men I grew up with were different, I think that was why it sort of shocked me. (But I also knew how to check the oil in my car, and I couldn't understand anyone who drove a car and didn't.)
So it's sometimes a little thing. It seems silly and superficial or even sexist, but these things affect us at a gut level, and that's why I was insistent about evolution earlier. If there's one area in our modern lives in which we still rely heavily on instincts and gut-level responses, it's in choosing or accepting a mate. Attraction isn't something you can calculate, it's almost completely feeling and instinct based. Which is why we always hear that love is blind, or stupid. It quite often is!
I just hate, despise, loathe on how we guys have to get labeled p*****s, wimps, cowards for not approaching, not making a move, yeah i may lack the balls, guts, courage to approach a girl, talk to her and ask her out, but i'm not afraid of standing up for myself, overall, i just hate, despise, loathe on how life, society, culture, expects us guys to toughen it up all the time, to be all warrior-like, etc.
This one guy said this to me on a Plentyoffish thread, on the forums a few years ago and thats when i had just had enough of hearing the phrase, quote "Man Up, Be a Man, Grow a Pair, Grow Some Balls" over and over, he said:
"No bro, it isn't. And i don't want to be a**** but seriously this is like the eleventh thread you've complained in.
F*cking grow a pair. Seriously, man up. You need to have a spine, NO ONE respects a door mat, and you'll NEVER get a relationship without respect. Realize that YOU are in control of your own destiny and women don't OWE you sh**, not a relationship, a bj, love, respect, sympathy, NONE of it.
You gotta EARN it. EARN it by realising that you don't NEED to have a chick to validate your existance, realize that people try to help you all the time, but your LAZY ass ALWAYS blames society instead of taking initiative and making yourself more attractive the opposite sex. ADAPT! Don't cry about women not wanting you, find out what they want and use that to make yourself more attractive.
If you dig dogs? Volunteer at a shelter. Line dancing, learn a language, be a tutor for college kids, DAMN ANYTHING. Get involved in life, don't watch it from the back seat, maybe then a woman would want to be your co-pilot.
Oh, and Be a Man."
It's like as if life, society, is like a Drill Sergeant to us guys
Eh, I'm willing to bet there are at least some guys who'd rather be chased. I'm not good at it, but then I don't think "normal" gender roles really apply to me anyway. Guess it's just a matter of looking for like minded people.
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Eh, I'm willing to bet there are at least some guys who'd rather be chased. I'm not good at it, but then I don't think "normal" gender roles really apply to me anyway. Guess it's just a matter of looking for like minded people.
thats the way it is but that doesn't mean i have to like it or enjoy it
Specifically, Buss, D.M., "The Evolution Of Desire: Strategies Of Human Mating". Basic Books, 1995. - ISBN 978-0-465-02143-7 is a good start.
To oversimplify it, for >99.99% of our existence, we did not live as we do now. We roamed around in groups of 50-220 people, our family and friends, doing what we could to survive. In that situation, it is vital to be social or, people will die. Everyone needs to want to help everyone. So, there's a social fabric where things just worked out.
But, really, you're asking the wrong question here.
What you should be asking is this: I'm a man. Given that I have Asperger's, meaning I have no natural ability to "read" signs in the dating game, I give off screwy body language, and NT socialization is an issue, the dating game sucks. Why am I stuck with this burden when Aspie girls appear to be freed of it, not having to initiate anything?
And, the answer to that is: Girls do give off tons of signs, you just need to learn them. Once you learn them, you'll find out that girls initiate just as much as guys, they just do it in a very subtle way. Read up on body language, immediately. There are plenty of books out there.
yeah because i know i would not hesitate to approach girls more often if more of them smiled at me or looked at me from a distance, waved at me or just said a simple "Hi" from a distance, but i never get that
That is NOT subtle. Again, read books on body language. Your answers lie in there.
This is the "easy" road out, as no one told me this, EVER. I stumbled upon it in my 30s after struggling on it my entire life. I never had someone like me to tell me what to do.
Read the books on body language related to dating. If you don't make an effort after this point, it's all on you.
Because having Autism/Asperger Syndrome makes a lot of guys socially-awkward by nature, and since the overwhelming vast majority of girls are old-fashioned, do not approach guys or start conversations with them, ask them out, it hurts guys in this case way more than girls in this case
There are a few reasons why it is traditionally the responsibility of the male to initiate a relationship in our society, and so the answer to your question can be rather complex, however I will try to address it in fairly simple terms.
In most species, it is the male who does the initiating, so there is likely a strong biological component, and one aspect of this component is likely testosterone. Testosterone is a hormone of ambition and self entitlement. While we generally view those as negative qualities, with respect to the survival of a species, such attributes have proven to have their usefulness. We all descend from winners. Organisms that could acquire a sufficient amount of resources to successfully propagate their genes and see to it that their offspring were also in the position to do so. In lesser animals, the male is usually responsible for the former. Acquiring enough resources to propagate their genes, and testosterone enabled him to do this.
In humans, testosterone serves much the same purpose. It bestows some human males with the tendency to be slightly more possessive, territorial, self entitled, and ambitious, and opportunistic than their female counterparts. This is not necessarily a bad thing. Humans are an expensive species that require a lot of resources. Human children are born completely helpless and it takes a number of years of dedicated care until they are able to care for themselves. It takes an average of 12.5 years for humans to reach sexual maturity and humans do not stop maturing until the late 20's. As such, in the settings in which we evolved, a man who possessed a fair degree of the qualities listed above, was a man who could usually better provide for his family.
But as such, the majority of human societies have been somewhat patriarchal. Women, more often than not, were simultaneously viewed as something to be possessed by men, and something to be protected from other men. A woman approaching a man was considered bad in most of these societies for multiple reasons. I will list two of the primary ones.
1. He might see her approach as a solicitation or opportunity for casual sex, and he might actively attempt to obtain that from her even if she resists.
2. If a woman gets pregnant by a man who will not, or cannot fulfill his responsibilities, she is in a very compromised position having to both provide for and raise a child on her own.
As such, most societies have developed a concept of honor and modesty for women, and in many societies, even western ones, it was tradition for the man to approach the woman's father first, at least with respect to asking for her hand in marriage.
While our society is a modern one, we've inherited remnants of our cultural and biological history. There are still a good number of men who are going to hope a woman approaching them out of the blue will provide him with responsibility free casual sex, and there are still a good number of women who worry, at least at a subconscious level, that if a man does not have the courage to approach them, he might not have the courage or ambition to pursue other valuable resources, or protect her either physically or socially.
As such, many woman do indeed harbor the belief that if he is interested in an actual relationship, he will approach her, while many men harbor the belief that if she approaches him, she's interested in casual sex.
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Because having Autism/Asperger Syndrome makes a lot of guys socially-awkward by nature, and since the overwhelming vast majority of girls are old-fashioned, do not approach guys or start conversations with them, ask them out, it hurts guys in this case way more than girls in this case
There are a few reasons why it is traditionally the responsibility of the male to initiate a relationship in our society, and so the answer to your question can be rather complex, however I will try to address it in fairly simple terms.
In most species, it is the male who does the initiating, so there is likely a strong biological component, and one aspect of this component is likely testosterone. Testosterone is a hormone of ambition and self entitlement. While we generally view those as negative qualities, with respect to the survival of a species, such attributes have proven to have their usefulness. We all descend from winners. Organisms that could acquire a sufficient amount of resources to successfully propagate their genes and see to it that their offspring were also in the position to do so. In lesser animals, the male is usually responsible for the former. Acquiring enough resources to propagate their genes, and testosterone enabled him to do this.
In humans, testosterone serves much the same purpose. It bestows some human males with the tendency to be slightly more possessive, territorial, self entitled, and ambitious, and opportunistic than their female counterparts. This is not necessarily a bad thing. Humans are an expensive species that require a lot of resources. Human children are born completely helpless and it takes a number of years of dedicated care until they are able to care for themselves. It takes an average of 12.5 years for humans to reach sexual maturity and humans do not stop maturing until the late 20's. As such, in the settings in which we evolved, a man who possessed a fair degree of the qualities listed above, was a man who could usually better provide for his family.
But as such, the majority of human societies have been somewhat patriarchal. Women, more often than not, were simultaneously viewed as something to be possessed by men, and something to be protected from other men. A woman approaching a man was considered bad in most of these societies for multiple reasons. I will list two of the primary ones.
1. He might see her approach as a solicitation or opportunity for casual sex, and he might actively attempt to obtain that from her even if she resists.
2. If a woman gets pregnant by a man who will not, or cannot fulfill his responsibilities, she is in a very compromised position having to both provide for and raise a child on her own.
As such, most societies have developed a concept of honor and modesty for women, and in many societies, even western ones, it was tradition for the man to approach the woman's father first, at least with respect to asking for her hand in marriage.
While our society is a modern one, we've inherited remnants of our cultural and biological history. There are still a good number of men who are going to hope a woman approaching them out of the blue will provide him with responsibility free casual sex, and there are still a good number of women who worry, at least at a subconscious level, that if a man does not have the courage to approach them, he might not have the courage or ambition to pursue other valuable resources, or protect her either physically or socially.
As such, many woman do indeed harbor the belief that if he is interested in an actual relationship, he will approach her, while many men harbor the belief that if she approaches him, she's interested in casual sex.
when you say testosterone is the hormone or ambition and self-entitlement, well the self-entitlement part, thats the one that society, people will deem negative because unfortuneately the way life, the world, society works is that we are never owed anything, never entitled to anything, well it seems that way more for guys as well.
Another thing i noticed too, is that guys, men are always expected to be more mature than women are in dating and relationships, as in, men are expected take responsibility for their lives and actions, make their life the way they want it, overall, life expects men to be independent all the time, to be on our own
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although i would never do it because i know of the consequences that would happen, but being sexually frustrated and single this long, i sometimes feel like beating up a girl's boyfriend out of jealousy and anger, mainly towards a girl's boyfriend, the type of boyfriend who is the bad-boy, who is the popular jock, the loud, talkative, popular party guy, etc.
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really? pretty, cute, attractive girls have approached you first?
Yes it's happened before, I've actually gotten girls who are close to 10s approach me before. It does happen doesn't usually happen but I've had it happen.
Another reason why I made this shirt. It forces the woman to talk to me first, even if it's just to say "I like the shirt" or to ask what "BBW" stands for. LOL But it also gets people shooting pics of me or telling friends & relatives about it. (Plus it attracts attention on my profile)
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really? pretty, cute, attractive girls have approached you first?
Yes it's happened before, I've actually gotten girls who are close to 10s approach me before. It does happen doesn't usually happen but I've had it happen.
well thats very inspiring, and you ended up dating them?
really? pretty, cute, attractive girls have approached you first?
Yes it's happened before, I've actually gotten girls who are close to 10s approach me before. It does happen doesn't usually happen but I've had it happen.
well thats very inspiring, and you ended up dating them?
The vast majority of my relationships including several I really shouldn't have presued((Oh Workplace fun is taboo for a reason)) has been with the other girl approaching me. .
I even slept with my best friends girlfriend because of it. . .
When a woman approaches for me it's nearly impossible to say no unless she is fugly.
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Something I read once that I think is true, is that women don't approach men because they don't generally have to. I used to work at a restaurant, and one of the waitresses there used to get asked out at least twice a week while working (sure some of those guys were total creepers but most of them seemed pretty decent). And she was pretty average-looking, certainly no supermodel. If I had women coming up to me all the time, goodness knows I wouldn't go out of my way to "approach" any myself lol. Consequently, if all of a sudden men everywhere stopped approaching women, I'm sure they'd take up the initiative.
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So maybe the single men of the world should make a boycotting-approaching movement, soon enough women would have to play the 'men' role in approaching.
Hmm....intriguing, how can we spread the word and put this into action?
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