NT women cant stand aspie men!

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Maybe, instead of looking on society, look on you. The "Alpha male" of yours is getting a bigger part of AN pie, not THE pie. In the eyes of society someone returning with champagner from the buffet, got the "better pie". I cant stand that stuff. ^^ Its not on society deciding who got the better pie, its on you.

There are lots of pies around you, and one of them surely will meet your taste. If you are willing to look around instead of running after an pie, just because " today's modern society and all of it's hook-up glory" told you, that this would be the best one.

That's not really what I'm quite addressing here. The guy who knows how to pull off that sheer presence charismatic and assertive people have always get LOTS of female attention. Whether or not he wants 1 or 1000 partners in his lifetime is irrelevant to what I'm saying. He'll get the girl he wants, cause it's been my experience that the overwhelming majority of women respond positively to it. I'm talking about women my age.

All I really want is one girl, but knowing that I could always get upstaged by some damn neurotypical frequently bothers the s**t out of me, just because my body language is different (or non-existent) unless I put a lot of active, conscious effort into it. I can't be my normal self or even close to my normal self, it took a LOT of self-modification before most people were even comfortable to have me around, let alone have women be attracted to me. And it's work...it's always been work, it will always be work. I'm stuck knowing forever that in order for normal society at large to accept me, any social interaction has to become work. It feels like a major curse.



The alpha male is getting a bigger part of any pie he wants, from any pie, based on my observations. Lots of women like Hyperlexian try to insist that "not all women" respond to Alpha male characteristics but when the vast majority seem to, what does it really matter? By gunning for those that don't, you've already eliminated the vast majority of young women.

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I have been told very bluntly by an NT that they do not want an "Aspie". The way they explained it to me sounded like it can be a lot of work I guess, being with someone who thinks a bit different, and has different struggles in life.

except... that makes no sense. we are not all dating the same men. we all go for different men, which makes the alpha argument nonsense. this imaginary alpha isn't getting that bigger piece of any pie.

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There's a lot of different ways to have that alpha characteristic, without being a carbon-copy clone. Compare someone like Richard Feynman vs Barack Obama vs Ryan Gosling. All completely different types of men, but there's a list of characteristics they all share: General air of confidence, posturing, body language, tone of voice...if you're not aware of this, then perhaps you just can't see it. I've had to spent my whole life studying NTs, perhaps that's why I can.

I agree with Shau. I've noticed even female posters in this forum respond quite well to "alpha" qualities displayed by male members here.

so that would mean that 99% of men are alpha males, because the majority of them can and do date women?

I don't think in terms of black or white the way you seem to be doing.

Male 1 (super hot)
Male 2 (above average)
Male 3 (average)
Male 4 (not attractive)


Female 1
Female 2
Female 3
Female 4

All individuals are actively seeking and eager for a relationship.

Let's suppose that every male tried to ask out the four females within a month, the resulted dates would be like:

Male 1 got a date with each of F1,F2,F3,F4: 4
Male 2 got a date with F1: 1
Male 3 got rejected by all: 0
Male 4 got rejected by all: 0

Female 1 accepted a date with each of M1, M2: 2
Female 2 accepted a date with M1: 1
Female 3 accepted a date with M1: 1
Female 4 accepted a date with M1: 1

M1 got a chance with 100% of the pie
M2 got a 1/4 chance of the pie
M3, M4 got no chance so they have to try later to get another chance, maybe after M1 picks his one and rejects the others.

so... nearly every man is alpha then? or you just want to compete with men that women... aren't even dating? it makes no sense to want to be like someone that has a characteristic that you envy, even though it doesn't mean anything in the dating world... most still don't date any more women than anyone else, mostly their dating prospects are roughly the same as anyone else's except in rare cases, etc.

if "beta"/"omega"/"kappa" men date/marry/have sex too, then.... none of this matters. the proof is in the pudding. if all supposed classes of men can get to where they want to be, then all of the classes are irrelevant.

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the dating pool is not that small. most people date someone eventually. there are a few that might not, but you could not quantify their personality characteristics that easily. if you want to say that the tiny proportion of people who never ever ever date is the group that is not alpha, the definition itself becomes useless.

Obama is married to one person. Ryan Gosling dates one person at a time. and the people they have been with are not necessarily better in any way than the women that other people could date or marry.

most men do not have that many choices. even Charlie Sheen has to PAY women to sleep with him. very few have a selection like that, but why compare yourself to that? i am back to saying what i said 2 pages back - there is no point in trying to be like that because the majority are not. most people date a few others here and there and are content with that. for those that seek more and want to be like the extreme types who stand above everyone, the problem is not the system, the problem is you, that you cannot be content to have what most mortals possess.

Nope. Hardly. And the majority of men don't have the same body language the aforementioned men have.



Women are always dating these kind of men (the wholes that bother to date, that is)!



No, no, and no. Those guys have WAY better prospects. Do you honestly believe that all men are created equals in the eyes of women?



That's some weird logic there, Ms. Hyperlexian. Those betas and omegas don't exactly get the finest of women. If you want higher tier women, those classes most definitely matter.

ahhh, so that is the point. you think you deserve your pick of women. that explains everything.

I don't think any one here is discussing marriage or relationships. Certainly almost any male can have dates and relationships and get married and such.

But I think what Shau was talking about (correct me, Shau, if I'm wrong) was the core attraction part, which may or may not manifest in anything beneficial for the "alpha male".

Also, I'm of the belief that "alpha qualities and traits" can be circumstantial and displayed by men (and even women) who are otherwise not on a regular basis "alpha".

I want precisely what I'm worth. However, that becomes a hell of a lot more difficult when you have to turn your personality inside-out in order to conform to the standards of NT women.

You got me wrong. You are just talking over an over about the same pie, you are only changing the piece of pie you talk about. With NT men its the same - you think a Barack Obama would even be aware of my existence, as long as I have to match with NT-ladies, fitting much more into the deeds of NT men?

I mean the complete Hook-Up thing is not the only pie around. After my first tries to get some of that pie (not even a big part of it), because everyone told that is would not be possible to have a happy life if you dont manage to get a part of that pie and that it is so important to have a part of that pie, and everything in life is just about getting a piece of that pie, and even rarely tasting a part of that pie I just accepted that it isnt worth it. Why? Because - as you said absolute exactly, as if you had lived my life And when doing so I could put away the blinkers the "hook up society" had forced on my head, what gave me the opportunity to look around myself, instead of always focusing on that dating/relationship pie.

And you wouldnt believe how much variety of other pies are around, which we just doesnt see because of there are no films about that, no 1000 books telling us how great these pies are, and 99% of society is ignoring them because they agree that all these pies are not needed because life is all about that "hook up pie".

Yeah, maybe Kobe Steak is the best steak in the world, and i could focus on wanting to eat a kobe steak and be unhappy my whole life, because never being able to eat one. Or I can go home, unfocus from that kobe steak and see into my fridge and my kitchen tables, what "pies" it has got to offer and have a really nice, tasty meal today from the pies surrounding me.

So now I am in an relationship by accident, but the thing I never regreted, was when I decided to let go of that damn relationship/hook up pie that didnt make me happy at all, from the pressure of society telling me that I cant be happy without that pie, and that "I" had to depend my own worth to myself on having a piece of that pie and so on and all that s**t. Had the best years of my life after that and enjoyed lots of cakes, that really made me happy, while society around me still was telling me, that I couldnt be happy because of having none of that pie.

So you dont need to let go of that piepice completely, but maybe just unfocus from it a bit, so you are able to see the other pies, that could enrich your life as well. Maybe by accident you will stumbel about a piece of that pie you want, but if not, see that you have enough other good pie as well.