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Be careful! In many countries, even if you're not married and don't concede fatherhood, you're obliged to child support if the woman decides to go on with pregnancy and decides to have the baby.
Which is some feminists answer to that?
http://jezebel.com/forced-fatherhood-ye ... -513168822
In a nutshell: 'hey, dude, if you didn't want to have a baby, you shouldn't have had sex'. It seems that when it comes to money, feminism and pro-lifers find a common ground
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Be careful! In many countries, even if you're not married and don't concede fatherhood, you're obliged to child support if the woman decides to go on with pregnancy and decides to have the baby.
Which is some feminists answer to that?
http://jezebel.com/forced-fatherhood-ye ... -513168822
In a nutshell: 'hey, dude, if you didn't want to have a baby, you shouldn't have had sex'. It seems that when it comes to money, feminism and pro-lifers find a common ground
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Be careful! In many countries, even if you're not married and don't concede fatherhood, you're obliged to child support if the woman decides to go on with pregnancy and decides to have the baby.
Which is some feminists answer to that?
http://jezebel.com/forced-fatherhood-ye ... -513168822
In a nutshell: 'hey, dude, if you didn't want to have a baby, you shouldn't have had sex'. It seems that when it comes to money, feminism and pro-lifers find a common ground
Do you realize how insane the situation has become nowadays when vasectomies are brought up to those conversations?
It's f*****g crazy.
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Be careful! In many countries, even if you're not married and don't concede fatherhood, you're obliged to child support if the woman decides to go on with pregnancy and decides to have the baby.
Which is some feminists answer to that?
http://jezebel.com/forced-fatherhood-ye ... -513168822
In a nutshell: 'hey, dude, if you didn't want to have a baby, you shouldn't have had sex'. It seems that when it comes to money, feminism and pro-lifers find a common ground
I thought this would be normal? To create a child you need two people, so when a child exits the two responsible people have to take care of the needs of the child. You dont marry children, so why should being married have an affect on you being a father? If you are not married, you simply need to support the child needs that are not linked on you being married with someone or not. Only when you are married, the partner with more income needs to support the childcaring partner as well, if he has less income because of caring for the child.
I wouldnt know whats feminism or pro-life about it. A child that exists simply needs food, cloths, ... So the two responsible persons have to take care of that. How the two people do that, is on them, but in the end the physical and financial needs of a child have to be taken care of, as best as possible for both parents. Do you think a child has lesser needs, only because of its parents having more or less rings on their fingers?
If it helps you, in my country for you being the official father, it also doesnt matter if you are married or not. If you create a child, you have to take care of it as father, but in the opposite you are also given the fully rights of a father. If the mother is physically caring for the child and refuses to give you opportunity to be a father as well, you can sue her and force her by law to do so, because as a child has a right to be taken care of by his parents, you as father have a right to be the father of the child as well, just as the child has a right to have contact to both his parents.
Be careful! In many countries, even if you're not married and don't concede fatherhood, you're obliged to child support if the woman decides to go on with pregnancy and decides to have the baby.
Which is some feminists answer to that?
http://jezebel.com/forced-fatherhood-ye ... -513168822
In a nutshell: 'hey, dude, if you didn't want to have a baby, you shouldn't have had sex'. It seems that when it comes to money, feminism and pro-lifers find a common ground
I thought this would be normal? To create a child you need two people, so when a child exits the two responsible people have to take care of the needs of the child. You dont marry children, so why should being married have an affect on you being a father? If you are not married, you simply need to support the child needs that are not linked on you being married with someone or not. Only when you are married, the partner with more income needs to support the childcaring partner as well, if he has less income because of caring for the child.
I wouldnt know whats feminism or pro-life about it. A child that exists simply needs food, cloths, ... So the two responsible persons have to take care of that. How the two people do that, is on them, but in the end the physical and financial needs of a child have to be taken care of, as best as possible for both parents. Do you think a child has lesser needs, only because of its parents having more or less rings on their fingers?
If it helps you, in my country for you being the official father, it also doesnt matter if you are married or not. If you create a child, you have to take care of it as father, but in the opposite you are also given the fully rights of a father. If the mother is physically caring for the child and refuses to give you opportunity to be a father as well, you can sue her and force her by law to do so, because as a child has a right to be taken care of by his parents, you as father have a right to be the father of the child as well, just as the child has a right to have contact to both his parents.
If the woman doesn't have any other option but having the child, that's OK. I agree with you. Both f**k, both pay.
But in most modern countries women can abort. So they have a choice about accepting motherhood or not. Men should have the same choice. The same that a women can decide to abort or accepting motherhood, a man should have a choice (if the woman doesn't abort) of accepting fatherhood or rejecting it.
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I dont want to get that in an abortion debate, but in the end what you say would lead to an innocent child being punished, for something that two gron old person are responsible. Either its get aborted because of the father unwilling to support the child and so doing pressure on the mother to abort, or it gets born but must face punishment in the form of one of his parents abandoning it.
I am not lunatic about it, so I am against abortions, but I simply accept that you hardly can force a woman that wants to abort by all means to carry it out. So I accept it, not because it is morally right to do so (I mean normal abortion, in case of rape or illness, its fully acceptable for me.) but simply because you hardly can force every woman in a country to do a monthly blood test, to see if she maybe is pregnant and then chain all pregnant women 9 months to a wall, so that if one of that womans wants to abort, dont go to a legal doctor. I am practical, and you simply cannot prevent a woman to abort if she wants to do it, if you forbid it legally, then she will go to an illegal doctor. So I dont think its morally right but in practice, you simply cannot force a woman to carry out a child she dont want, so god damn it, if the s**t is happening anyway, then at least in a normal hospital and no backside-wannabedoctor.
But out of this view, I found your oppinion cruel, because this would simply like in old times and even pushing women to abort, because of the father refusing to support the child. And the one that gets in the end the punishment would be the kid, that wasnt involved in his existence at all, while a person that was involved and is responsible for his existence, gets laughing away.
The Father should pay if he doesn't want the Woman and child, but if he does want them, but the Woman just used him to get a child and free money, and so she leaves him, then he shouldn't have to pay a penny, this sort of evil feminist behavior should not be encouraged else the Human race will evolve into more selfishness and social breakdown.
I am not lunatic about it, so I am against abortions, but I simply accept that you hardly can force a woman that wants to abort by all means to carry it out. So I accept it, not because it is morally right to do so (I mean normal abortion, in case of rape or illness, its fully acceptable for me.) but simply because you hardly can force every woman in a country to do a monthly blood test, to see if she maybe is pregnant and then chain all pregnant women 9 months to a wall, so that if one of that womans wants to abort, dont go to a legal doctor. I am practical, and you simply cannot prevent a woman to abort if she wants to do it, if you forbid it legally, then she will go to an illegal doctor. So I dont think its morally right but in practice, you simply cannot force a woman to carry out a child she dont want, so god damn it, if the sh** is happening anyway, then at least in a normal hospital and no backside-wannabedoctor.
But out of this view, I found your oppinion cruel, because this would simply like in old times and even pushing women to abort, because of the father refusing to support the child. And the one that gets in the end the punishment would be the kid, that wasnt involved in his existence at all, while a person that was involved and is responsible for his existence, gets laughing away.
Cruel?????
Let me put it as a table:
Father wants a kid - Mother doesnt want >> The mother aborts and the father gets no kid, even if he's willing to be single parent
Father doesn't want - Mother wants >> The mother have the kid and get child support
Father wants a kid - Mother doesnt want >> The mother aborts and the father gets no kid, even if he's willing to be single parent
Father doesn't want - Mother wants >> The mother have the kid as a single mother. No child support for the father, but no rights at all too.
What means: with what I say, if the mother wants the kid and the father doesn't, she can have it as long as she's willing to be a single mother. The father never doesn't have even this option. Even within I defend, mother's situation is still better: if she doesn't want the kid, there's no kid. If she wants the kid and the father doesn't, she at least can have the kid as a single mother, something that the father can't.
So you're telling me that a situation that is still better that the one the father have is cruel for a woman? Then which is the right adjective to describe ours?
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Yes sure, if you act as cruel as another person, you are also acting cruel? I also think its cruel from a mother to abort a child, so when a father wants to the same he is also cruel. What you write as current situation, is in my oppinion cruel, so why should if someone wants to do the same, but only with a penis between his legs, it not be cruel? This is not about man or woman, I dont like abortions as written, anyway if the one wanting it is a men or a women.
As I have written, and maybe you can read it this time, the only way to prevent abortions by the mother, would be that every woman needs monthly to do a blood test so that a pregnancy cant be hidden, and if she is pregnant, they get chained on a wall, so that the ones that want to abort cant do. Thats simply not working. So as experiences of centuries show, sadly it is to accept that a woman cant be forced to an desicion about aborting or not. But only because there is already an shitpile existing, I dont need to add a second shitpile (second shitpile = abortion because father wants it) beside it, when I can at least prevent the second shitpile.
Be careful! In many countries, even if you're not married and don't concede fatherhood, you're obliged to child support if the woman decides to go on with pregnancy and decides to have the baby.
Which is some feminists answer to that?
http://jezebel.com/forced-fatherhood-ye ... -513168822
In a nutshell: 'hey, dude, if you didn't want to have a baby, you shouldn't have had sex'. It seems that when it comes to money, feminism and pro-lifers find a common ground
Do you realize how insane the situation has become nowadays when vasectomies are brought up to those conversations?
It's f***ing crazy.
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It's f***ing crazy.
Yes it gets funny!
I fail to see how vasectomies are any more insane than abortions...I mean, really!
Let's face it - birth control is relatively cheap and available. Both parties should be responsible for their actions AHEAD of time, not just the woman. If you can't be responsible then guess what- as in every area of life, there are CONSEQUENCES for BEHAVIOR, ie, a baby/fetus. At that point, sorry charlie, it's the woman's body, she SHOULD have more power over what she chooses to do with it. That's called Biology and the Emancipation Proclamation....Women certainly get the short end of the stick with reagards to Biology way more what with the common practice in America of rape, being abandoned to single motherhood, loss of career advancement by staying home with the kids, etc etc....
I feel like some people just want to argue about the unfairness of anything in life that they can possibly think of...eventually, you just have to accept life on life's terms, be an adult and make the best of it.
It's f***ing crazy.
Yes it gets funny!
I fail to see how vasectomies are any more insane than abortions...I mean, really!
Let's face it - birth control is relatively cheap and available. Both parties should be responsible for their actions AHEAD of time, not just the woman. If you can't be responsible then guess what- as in every area of life, there are CONSEQUENCES for BEHAVIOR, ie, a baby/fetus. At that point, sorry charlie, it's the woman's body, she SHOULD have more power over what she chooses to do with it. That's called Biology and the Emancipation Proclamation....Women certainly get the short end of the stick with reagards to Biology way more what with the common practice in America of rape, being abandoned to single motherhood, loss of career advancement by staying home with the kids, etc etc....
I feel like some people just want to argue about the unfairness of anything in life that they can possibly think of...eventually, you just have to accept life on life's terms, be an adult and make the best of it.
If you want to answer me, you have comments where I have stated arguments.
Don't skip the arguments and then answer to a joking comment that besides was not intended for you. Answer the arguments, not the private jokes.
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As I have written, and maybe you can read it this time, the only way to prevent abortions by the mother, would be that every woman needs monthly to do a blood test so that a pregnancy cant be hidden, and if she is pregnant, they get chained on a wall, so that the ones that want to abort cant do. Thats simply not working. So as experiences of centuries show, sadly it is to accept that a woman cant be forced to an desicion about aborting or not. But only because there is already an shitpile existing, I dont need to add a second shitpile (second shitpile = abortion because father wants it) beside it, when I can at least prevent the second shitpile.
Ok, fine, if you think that aborting or rejecting fatherhood/motherhood is cruel from both parts, nothing to object. I don't agree, since I support abortion, but I must admit it's a coherent position from the point of view of equal rights men/women.
So, if I'm right, let me summarize, what you state is that both men and women should be forced to take responsability of the child, for the sake of equality. However, avoiding abortion, even if it would be desirable, it's not possible in practice.
Well, this is a point. The only flaw I find is that for it you must agree in considering abortion as something that should be banned (even though it can't in practice) as a starting point (or necessary condition) for the argument.
I don't agree with your statement, since I support abortion. But from the point of view of somebody who doesn't support abortion, I must agree it's a flawless reasoning.
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If you think the answers have missed the point, learn to present a more cogent case instead of attacking the responders.
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If you think the answers have missed the point, learn to present a more cogent case instead of attacking the responders.
The way they answer != To what they answer;
And I'm sorry, but I don't agree. Take for example Schneekugel's posts. She has used some time to explain and argument her position. If I skip this and later I take some small joke and then start to hold forth... well, that would be quite a lack of respect to her.
If you're debating with somebody, the minimum required is to hear and pay attention to what this person says.
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