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yeah, i do think the word loses meaning when you say it a lot. its just the nearest word i have to whats in my head.

Like, you're logical, like anyone, but its an emotional logic rather than a cold logic.

i suppose my lack of ability to explain it comes from observing the world but not assigning labels, just meanings. i have only really started coming out of my shell in the last decade or so and words arent very natural to me.

you just come at it from a different direction to me. its there, its that way. Its hard to explain

its certainly not meant as an insult. its just the best way i have of explaining the difference between your view point and mine.

you just allow emotions to get to you too much from my point of view. you allow feelings to influence the decisions you make. its like you have a whole system of understanding built on something different from what i build my system on.

i think i would have to think about it for a few days to get a better way of explaining.

nah, i find theyre boring for some reason, the things they argue about are stupid and it gets even more technical with quoting than this.

i just started answering with one thing and it sucked me in. obviously i find the talk here a little more interesting and relevant to real life.

also, i do know someone with thinking very much like alycats. they equally allow feelings to get to them and its been on my mind for a good while now.

sorry for posting again.

What i dont think u understand about me. im not talking to get a reaction or THAT kind of response or argument, its more me trying to say just the right words so you understand my meaning.

im not trying to get you to deny but come to terms with your own nature. if you understood your motivations better you would be able to solve your own problems.

if you were able to notice yourself picking out the most negative ways of seeing a situation you might be able to stop yourself and instead of automatically picking out the worst possible interpretation you might start to see other interpretations.

this is interesting to me whatever u assume my motivations are. i think your main problem is the same thing that this other person i met had. im a very deep person and it can be easy to misunderstand my motivation until you have a better grasp of what im like and the direction im coming from. its important to understand that just as you've got a rare personality, i am also extremely rare and there isnt much chance you have experience of someone that thinks exactly like me.


i personally dont think you're worthless or any of the things you said in your initial post, i just think you're complex and easily misunderstood and you've allowed living around people that dont understand you to get to you. It would have been a whole different situation if you'd grown up around people like me, people that appreciate and like deep people.

u never replied to my previous question, are you an INFJ? it would explain a lot in my eyes. INFJs are very deep people, growing up around people that dont meet your standards does start to wear you down after a bit and you do start to think its you rather than them. Believe me, its not you and its definitely them.

The only people that are a little deeper are INTJs.

and before anyone trashes the mbti test, the way i see it the questions for that personality test are simply a way of taking readings in four different areas of personality. They in no way encompass everything a person is, but those readings are still valuable and explain a lot in their own right and are a great tool for helping to understand people.

sorry, gtg, will give your problems a little more thought as im out walking my dog.

Woodster, I would suggest that your presence here has more to do with your own unresolved internal conflicts rather than that of actually 'helping' Alycat. I would also suggest that you continue to post here because you lack acceptance of how certain other people have acted in your life - and you are projecting their personas onto Alycat, just because you presume there are similarities.

In short, you are actually asking for help, and confusing it with trying to help someone else, by correcting them to fit into an image of how someone should behave.

I would also suggest not to so rigidly stick to the Myers-Briggs temperament types. Sometimes they can be a useful starting point, sometimes they can be dangerously constraining. They constitute a rough guide, and no more - they are not a great tool if they stop someone from genuinely looking at someone else (which seems to be the case for you). As I am learning very quickly, for instance, not all INTJs are the same, and I was very stupid for thinking this was ever the case.

I hope while walking your dog you have realised the dangers of disappearing up one's own backside...

not at all. As if,

thats utter nonsense.

I think you're coming out with that because it sounds like a good theory even if it has no basis in reality.


im not emotional about it, im completely resolved on the subject.
Go and read the thread i just posted and tell me that my mind is on some unresolved romantic issue.

I can tell you now, read my post in another thread on how i get over girls and you'll realise that i am well over the situation. dead to me is nothing compared to the way i move on.

i only use my previous experience of a certain personality type as ways of explaining my thoughts, but thats all it is. Maybe i shouldnt have said where i got my experience from but hey, its because im free with information, not because i have unresolved issues. Totally wrong im afraid.


anyway, im busy playing computer games, cant waste time here but your reply was a little embarrassing for what uve just accused me of and i had to respond.


fs. been letting my team down because of you, and im a strong and needed player in this battleground im playing.

dude ive gotten over girls before theyve gotten out of my bed.

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Sure, sure, whatever you say.

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Are you trying to prove your intellectual superiority to us, or to yourself? Because this whole thing really reads like a defense mechanism.

no, im proving my pragmatic superiority if anything. im just very down to earth with the things i rate as important. i dont find myself worrying about the kind of abstract things in those forums.

i dont mean that as some kind of brag. I wish i felt otherwise. Im just very close to the asexual side of things. Sex means next to nothing to me and as im autistic i rarely find people i become attached to. I experimented with sex and relationships when i was younger and they led nowhere so i gave mostly up.

its just not my thing, i lost interest in every girl ive been with pretty quickly.

to be fair i understand your opinion and it makes sense, it just isnt true.

go back and read my posts without a preconception.

Woodster - I don't want to upset you, but it does feel as though you're talking to this girl rather than me. You're talking about things such as my character and personality, and yet they are things you'd have to know me well to know.
I've never taken a Myers Briggs

The most important thing is, are you feeling a bit better than Sunday?

Anything else can take a running jump into the volcano of nasal mucus, really.

im not talking about everything, im talking about the little pieces i see in your words, your posting style, the content.

you find it really hard to accept anybodies opinion clearly. thats yet another thing thats obvious from your words. I mean, im learning here and my eyes are open.

Other things. Go back to when i said it rings true for a situation ive encountered before. it rings true. Im not saying its the same bell, im saying it RINGS with the same sound.

I have read so many forum posts on here that seem to get posted weekly that ive seen before and ive not even been here that long. So many situations, so very much ive seen previously. Its like the same posts are being posted week after week, for years and years.

they are completely different lives but the themes are endlessly repeating.

Your negativity, the things your ex said, lots of little things. Im sorry i put the jigsaw piece and talked about the pieces that were there, but for all the things i have said theres an awful lot of things you HAVENT said and ive not commented on that wealth of material at all.

im only talking about small specific things. is it somehow hard to work out that you're negative? its there in your words,. your responses.

i fully expected you to keep doing this though. whatever. its like im off balance from one initial thing i said and u keep knocking me back and i havent even really commented on damn much. all down to one of the most core things ive said, that you take the negative in everything, that you dont seem to want to accept.


tell me something though, do u find it easy to judge other people?

october tiger read me pretty well even though he got it wrong because he had a preconception. You think you're reading me pretty welll, Whats to say its the other way around and i can read you the way u think u can read me.


and u know what, i enjoy talking about things like this, thinking about things like this, it is all a massive great learning experience and entirely worth my effort.


talk about being assailed on all sides... what have i even said? nothing but whats in front of my eyes. i didnt talk about your mother or your father. I never mentioned friends or background. i talked generalisations throughout and you're making out im talking about intimate details about personality.


you just want to argue. i already saw this. you're a difficult person, am i taking wild guesses again? not really when you show me the truth with every word. I bet if i talked to octobertiger about something in some other thread it would be boring and logical and we'd come to the same conclusions. you just make things difficult.

that sounds emotional and annoyed, but as a lot would tell u, its not, i just get worked up a little at the time. thats about as bad as my crimes have been.

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I still feel sad that the guy I like has taken himself out of the dating game, and that this probably means he doesn't like me (since if he did he'd re-think that plan).
I don't think I'm going to go and do anything stupid any more though.

i hope no one puts any of you on the defensive the way youve managed to do with me.

its not like i said anything sweeping, just specific little judgments on specific little things . I do actually feel extremely ganged up on. i cant believe how unfair the fighting is, pure focus on technicalities, grammar nazi personalities given their full rein because they think they're justified.

Aspies are the only people that are harsher to fellow aspies than nts ive found. and people have the nonsense to call for aspies to get together. Im so glad i dont really have anything to do with any in rl. difficult and pig headed is an understatement.

open minded. now that would be a novelty.

definitely going back to that saying i previously posted. Thats my motto with dealing with aspies from now on.


why dont u reread your posts everyone, see what u said from a distance. i already know what i said from a distance because i was from a distance when i posted my thoughts. objective in nearly everything i said but because my words were having peoples own emotions projected against them they got misunderstood. people cant handle emotionless posts. Well big shock there, ive only had that experience 50,000 times.

you wouldnt have misjudged me if id given my adivce in rl. brutally honest and straight ud have thought me then. u should hear me trash myself for once, see what my depth of thought does to my thoughts about me. however harsh i am on other people im 100000 harsher on myself. oh well.

^ Get over yourself. You're currently acting like a right ass. Such arrogance and self-pity...we've all been there, well I know I have. I just hope you're having a bad day.

Right now you might think you've got a piece of somebody's jigsaw. But you're shoving it in with the finesse of a blind man wearing boxing gloves. Wrong piece at the wrong time - presuming you are right, of course.

I've nothing more to say to you until you come to your senses - you cannot help anyone until you do. You are no more or less important than anyone else. If you have problems with women, please deal with them rather than take them out on those who have done nothing to hurt you.

I suggest that everyone else leaves you be on this thread, too. I wish you well.

There is NO dignity in mental self-abuse.

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Well, nuts to him - really. He can't see how awesome you are, that's his problem.

No, I don't think you can completely rule out doing something 'stupid'. Sometimes stupid works. And some people are worth it - he wasn't.