Innocent things that can mistakeenly seen as creepy?

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Things are heating up here....put on your helmets fellas!

"Your starting point is that what you're doing is "right","

so... trying to embody all the things that women claim they value and while trying NOT to be anything on the along laundry list of bad things is NOT the "right" thing to do. while men who are no where near that balance or infact are counter to that balance are now the new "right?"

lets just do our best to not whole sale LIE to next generation shall we?

"That leaves the vast majority of women who don't have terrible taste in men for you to potentially date."

who are never single.... you are seeing the problem here?

MissZahara

I think you read too much into what I was saying. For one thing I didn't specify how many people I think are douchy. I don't think it's the majority or anything close. But the are very visible and seeing it sucks. I'm not blaming them for my problems either, I never said anything close to that. I'm really confused as to why you seem offended by this. You even said there are certain girls who have judgement problems. That's who I was referring to. And when I call a guy a douche it means that he cheats, or abuses (verbally or physically), or is lying to get girls to sleep with them. That is not a large swath as you put it, but those people do exist. Again what's wrong with not enjoying seeing that?

I hoped that we were done in this subforum with the whole "women are evil 'cause I am super good but they don't want me".
The very fact that good guys can get girlfriends too means that the whole douche thing is not true. What is more likely is that you don't know how to approach women, how to interact with them, how to socialize with them, you have low self-confidence and/or you are boring. Stop thinking so highly of yourself and try to get better in these regards, and it could help you.

Peacesells please reread through the posts. No one made that claim, that was a position projected onto us by MissSahara. Besides that is not the original topic. So let's get back to that.

I think I read it enough so no need to reread, but thanks. I agree that we should get back to the original topic, anyway.

No I think you should. By what you posted you badly misunderstood what was being said. It might help you understand our position a little better and help you give more constructive advice.

If you mean your posts I didn't read them much. I was mostly referring to someone else.

Oh ok, sorry then. I must have missed the post you're referring to.

So far I haven't heard anything here that I don't already know. Which is good because that means my chances of creeping someone out are actually pretty low. Now I just need to learn how to know this instinctively as well as intellectually. That's the hard part.

You don't know enough about the dudes you're deeming "skeevy" or "bad" based on seeing them with a girl in public for a few minutes -- there's not enough info to know what he's doing wrong, or right for that matter. Nobody could from that snippet of observation (unless the dude was beating her at the time or something).

How are you doing "everything right"?

How, exactly, are you the "embodiment of all the things women claim to value"?

(And very much hope you've got an answer better than "standing around existing" while "never ever having cheated despite never having had the opportunity to do so" and "not using a cheesy pick up line" and "being livid the women of the world don't see how WONDERFUL and non-skeevy I am").

My point is that you are convinced you're doing everything right... and you might not be. Or might not be perceived as doing the right things by girls which is translating into your lack of success with women. You can rage at the universe or take a long hard look at your actions.

MissZahara

You are just repeating yourself without reading or at least not understanding to what people have been saying to you. You're wasting your time.

There's nothing wrong with being unhappy about seeing men who physically abuse or routinely cheat on women succeed with women, while your non-physically abusing, non-cheating self has no luck with women.

I was simply pointing out that your writing off men you don't know, have only seen interacting with a woman you don't know either as douches (when you don't actually know if they're douches or not by your own personal standard) and railing against that is weird. Blaming your lack of luck with all women on other men's douche-y behavior is weird. It's a sort of learned helplessness + bitterness attitude towards all women that's baffling.

MissZarah

You're right that is baffling. I don't know who's taking that position here though.

Is that you Katy?

What do you mean by this NT comment? It's on Aspie Central - look it up. I don't just pull this crap out of my ass.