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05 May 2016, 7:02 pm

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Also was this female troll I've been hearing about that notorious and troublesome?


Yes. They would start off posting under a new moniker and say quite reasonable stuff then suddenly switch and tear into whoever took their fancy and go on a rant and derail threads. Or if they were in a really bad mood just start a new account and go straight for the jugular.

Eventually we got wise to it and started ignoring them.


Soo sly thought I was her or something?


The troll had many monikers, but we call her "Katy".


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05 May 2016, 7:06 pm

Is it possible to ban serial trolls properly and completely?
Can the new rules for L and D reflect the emotive nature of the topics? Can members have input on the code of conduct?
For temporary bans, can there be stages of warnings before that point, I believe all posters on a hot thread should be accountable for their actions and not just the obvious trouble maker?
Can there be openness and transparency between admin, mods and users... if people know that an issue is being resolved they are less likely to take matters into their own hands.



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05 May 2016, 7:15 pm

I think it would be very constructive for members to have an input on a code of conduct and initially brainstorm ideas for it, which can be evaluated later.



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05 May 2016, 7:25 pm

There should be a graduated system of potential warnings and bans, similar to that found on PPR.

I don't think we should ban indiscriminately--but I believe there should be the potential for banning should somebody consistently "go too far."

If somebody, within a dialogue, explicitly states something like "let's agree to disagree," and the other dialogue participants refuse to heed this, they should be given a definite warning by a Moderator, via PM.

If this continues, the Moderator should place the warning within the offending thread, thereby making the violation "public knowledge,"

If this doesn't stop the person/people who violate this, then relatively more severe sanctions should be implemented, such as temporary or permanent bans.



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05 May 2016, 7:26 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I don't think there should be censorship. But I believe people should stop when told to stop. If the person doesn't stop after being told to stop, this person should not be allowed to post for a little while in order to cool off.

People have to have disagreements in life. We can't avoid them.

Also: the part about attacking the IDEA, rather than the PERSON, should hold sway, like it does in PPR.


I think this as well. However, any name calling needs to be nipped in the bud. People are going to disagree, but as soon as you call someone "stupid" or "misogynist" then people start getting mad.


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05 May 2016, 7:28 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
There should be a graduated system of potential warnings and bans, similar to that found on PPR.

I don't think we should ban indiscriminately--but I believe there should be the potential for banning should somebody consistently "go too far."

If somebody, within a dialogue, explicitly states something like "let's agree to disagree," and the other dialogue participants refuse to heed this, they should be given a definite warning by a Moderator, via PM.

If this continues, the Moderator should place the warning within the offending thread, thereby making the violation "public knowledge,"

If this doesn't stop the person/people who violate this, then relatively more severe sanctions should be implemented, such as temporary or permanent bans.


When do warnings fall off? A person should have a record on their account of how many warnings they have so they know if they are close to a ban. And a ban should be no longer than a month.


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05 May 2016, 7:32 pm

If a person, say, openly espouses Nazism, and says that they were justified in operating the concentration camps and committing genocide, that person should be banned permanently.

We should have a sticky similar to the one which is located in PPR--but I believe the Moderators should be flexible, yet fair, in enforcement.

If a person openly defies the Moderators in public, that person should be banned quicker than a person who seems to be trying to quiet down, but is having trouble doing so.



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05 May 2016, 7:37 pm

Obviously, if the thread veers off topic--AND appears to be upsetting people--a lock on the thread should be considered.

This is actually done at present--but it should be standardized, and placed within the L & D rules Sticky.



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05 May 2016, 7:38 pm

We need more active moderators, there seems to be a distinct lack of them these days.....

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05 May 2016, 7:43 pm

Would you agree that the Sticky within PPR, related to Forum Rules, is quite a decent template, and should be employed here?

If somebody makes a generalization about a gender, and doesn't qualify it, the fact that the person made the generalization should be pointed out to that person.

I also believe we should "police" and "self-censor" ourselves, in addition to relying on the Moderators to maintain an even keel within L & D.



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05 May 2016, 7:45 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
If a person, say, openly espouses Nazism, and says that they were justified in operating the concentration camps and committing genocide, that person should be banned permanently.

We should have a sticky similar to the one which is located in PPR--but I believe the Moderators should be flexible, yet fair, in enforcement.

If a person openly defies the Moderators in public, that person should be banned quicker than a person who seems to be trying to quiet down, but is having trouble doing so.


About the last sentence, I'd like to be not so afraid to just speak to the moderators openly like they are people and not be afraid of being banned like I was over at AC when I had a disagreement with moderator. After that happened, now I'm afraid to say "boo" thinking the same thing is going to occur and I try to avoid them.

And if someone is causing a problem in a thread, ban that person from the thread if they repeat the same actions after they have been given a warning - don't keep closing threads and punishing the other members.


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05 May 2016, 7:46 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Would you agree that the Sticky within PPR, related to Forum Rules, is quite a decent template, and should be employed here?

If somebody makes a generalization about a gender, and doesn't qualify it, the fact that the person made the generalization should be pointed out to that person.

I also believe we should "police" and "self-censor" ourselves, in addition to relying on the Moderators to maintain an even keel within L & D.


I guess I'm going to have to read that sticky Mr. K. :mrgreen:


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05 May 2016, 7:47 pm

I still think that if we self police, folks wishing to object to a post should be able to do so in an anonymous way.


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05 May 2016, 7:50 pm

Nothing wrong with disagreeing with a Moderator. But it really should be done via PM, more than within a thread.

If a person starts making it "personal" between the Moderator and his/herself, then the person would seem to be "out of control" and worthy of sanctions.

If the Moderator advices the person to stop something, and the person doesn't stop it, that person would seem to be "out of control" as well, and worthy of sanctions.

I also believe that the Moderators should meet the members halfway, and not be arbitrary in how they make decisions.

If, say, a person makes a personal attack, the person should be given the chance to recant the personal attack, and start attacking the idea instead of the person. If the person refuses to stop making the personal attack, then this is worthy of sanctions.



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05 May 2016, 8:01 pm

I think everyone needs to consider a lot of us on the spectrum don't fit in with society that terribly well, not that it's a totally bad thing since society falls short in a lot of ways. I mean people make generalizations about men and women and then sometimes seem to make posts where it seems like they're demanding answers from us autistics as to why typical men or women behave the way they do in dating senerios or whatever. Or they make generalizations about men or women that aren't particularly fitting for those of us on the spectrum and act like it's all men or women who do this or that, basically speaking in absolutes puts people on the defense.


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05 May 2016, 8:03 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Nothing wrong with disagreeing with a Moderator. But it really should be done via PM, more than within a thread.

If a person starts making it "personal" between the Moderator and his/herself, then the person would seem to be "out of control" and worthy of sanctions.

If the Moderator advices the person to stop something, and the person doesn't stop it, that person would seem to be "out of control" as well, and worthy of sanctions.

I also believe that the Moderators should meet the members halfway, and not be arbitrary in how they make decisions.

If, say, a person makes a personal attack, the person should be given the chance to recant the personal attack, and start attacking the idea instead of the person. If the person refuses to stop making the personal attack, then this is worthy of sanctions.


Actually I liked how Adamantium was correcting people by showing how their response should have been written in the political thread. It kind of helped everyone cool down for awhile.


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