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AngelRho
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27 Dec 2016, 7:45 pm

slw1990 wrote:
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Lemme see if this helps you understand. Answer these questions for me, if you will:
Why do you want someone to genuinely care?
Why do you want a close bond?
Why do you want someone to be supportive?
Why do you want someone to listen to your problems?
Why do you want gifts?
Why do you want affection?


If they give me gifts then it can show that they care. Affection would feel nice. If someone genuinely cares, is supportive, listens and has a close bond then it means that I would be more likely to trust them. I wouldn't want to be worshiped or anything though. I would like it to be mutual. I want to be important to them, but I would like to do the same things in return. Sometimes when I here about a guys problems it actually causes me to feel attracted to them.

"Affection would feel nice."
"Sometimes...it actually causes me to feel attracted..."

I don't want to dwell on this aspect in this subforum, but would it be fair to say that the above responses are at least in part sexual in nature?


Yes, but it doesn't really involve being fake, if that's what you mean.

It's not about being fake. It's about feelings and the desire to feel important. Ultimately it breaks down into a desire for sexual gratification. It's a near-universal thing. I wasn't intending to go "there," it's just the way you answered my questions didn't leave me room for a more "innocent" comment!

The part about being fake is simply about how we achieve said gratification. I achieve it by eliciting pleasure from someone else, and I admit that it's through manipulation and control. I'll do whatever it takes, no matter how long I have to wait, no matter what physical, emotional, or mental effort or unpleasantness I have to endure, but the payoff feels amazing!

To back off from the more risque metaphor, it's like this. Maybe I'm having the worst day ever. So if I'm out grocery shopping, I might see some random stranger in the store. So I force myself to smile. She smiles back. Now I feel awesome because I made someone else smile.

She enjoys art. I know and care very little about art. So I look at one of her paintings and ask her about it. She explains her painting technique, why she did something a certain way. I say, wow, that's really cool! I never would have known that, thank you. She smiles and we talk more, because she feels appreciated and awesome. And I feel awesome because I made her feel awesome.

You seem to tell me you feel something similar when you listen to men talk about their problems.

It's just how human beings are--selfish, liars, fakes. At our core, we are greedy, evil, and flawed.

There is nothing we can do about it EXCEPT just love each other anyway. We can become aware that all we're doing is manipulating each other. But, so what? At the end of the day, how do we feel? Was it a positive, pleasurable, enjoyable experience? Is it worth repeating? Is it in line with our sense of the divine, justice, ethics, morality, or whatever it is we value the most?

Our feelings of importance are linked to a desire for sexual gratification, and every single bit of it is selfish. The best of humanity is in seeking the best in others for the good of all. Once you set aside your immediate urge towards gratification to meet the needs of others FIRST, over and beyond meeting your own needs, you open yourself to receiving much more in return than what you gave. The HABIT and COMPULSION to meet those desires in others is what makes you sexually attractive because people continue to want you to meet those apparent needs. They will do whatever you want to get it, even if it means pretending they are something they are not.

It is a power that's within all of us. It's just relatively few people that are willing to exercise it. But isn't awesome what happens when we all work together to build each other up? And what are the implications for romantic relationships?


I wasn't trying to argue, but I thought you were trying to say that guys should pretend to be someone that they aren't and that women want to be worshipped by men.

I agree with what Sweetleaf was saying about being equal to your partner. If I was with someone I would feel uncomfortable if they to put me up on a pedestal instead of treating me like an equal.

When I here about a guys problems I feel closer to them, especially if it's something I can relate to. I know it's not altruistic, but I don't think it's selfish and deceitful to be attracted to someone you can relate to.

Ok, I understand. That makes sense.

Maybe it's not always deceitful, but it IS selfish. Everything you do is for your own reason. Even people who adopt a religion and love God are really just trying to secure their spot in the afterlife, and I don't care what you believe in. As a Christian, I'm no different. I have faith in Jesus as Savior and have no need to worry about the flames of hell. But with nothing else to worry about, I'd hate to see people I care about end up in eternal torment. So I don't hide my faith from those I think need to hear about it.

But deep down it starts with me and getting what I want. There's no such thing as an innocent desire, not even something as "good" as loving God.



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27 Dec 2016, 7:48 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Also to be clear I am not saying not to be open minded to your S.Os interests, that is a good thing and can lead both people to finding even more interests...or find you do like things you never gave any thought as to if you did or not.

Good point.