Women As The Breadwinners
The_Face_of_Boo
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I've worked those type of hours and yes it's nice to have food handed to you when you get home.
If I was single and working those hours then I would have to do everything anyway.
I agree the household workload should be shared, but if I was a housewife I wouldn't appreciate the sentiments you expressed above being directed at me. I mean that you choose to be with your honey as they are... not everyone has the traditional life skills these days.
I think whatever household chores can be completed in a week in line with the persons physical abilities and health is reasonable. I mean if one person works those 70+ hours there should be time for the one at home to do activities for their own wellbeing, one person being exhausted is enough.
No one should be working 70+ hours a week consistently...maybe if there is an overtime opportunity for a short while. But yeah that's excessive people aren't work machines. My boyfriend just got a job that's going to mostly be 7 days a week and like 10 hour days but still not that bad.
Better than Coors that wanted him coming in for 12 hour shifts 7 days a week indefinitely never knowing if he'd get a day off for the weekend or not. I mean what kind of crap is that?
So you say no one should work 70+ yet your bf works 70 hours.
I thought 6, 10 hour days was more like 60 hours, that is what he is doing now working for a tree maintenance company. Also if its too rainy he'll get off days and gets sundays off, and so far he likes it so that's good.
It was Coors that had the crappy indefinite 12 hour shifts 7 days a week and that was terrible. He was endlessly exhausted and stuck in a 80 degree factory every day.
Also a 70 hour week here and there isn't such a big deal but indefinitely?...that is B.S.
10 days a hour is nothing....during projects And (most of the times there's a project going on)
I work almost daily from 9 till 10-11 pm or even midnight at days if I don't have night class till 9 which is currently M-W-F, a lot of times I work some hours in weekend to finish before deadlines.
Leave alone the bossy sales team/ clients's attitudes; and when something bad happens due to someone's else stupidity, you get blamed for it.
But I don't work in a factory so it's different, It's not a physical effort job.
Welcome to the real world, the traditional "men's role" world....duh, please take this sh***y "privilege" from us; take it all! I would much rather work as cook, washer and cleaner and be a 100% full time househusband .... I am even ready to breastfeed too (is it possible?
Btw....who's Coors?
Boo, don't take this the wrong way, but if you work all of those hours how do you find time to be on this site and text all those women you tell us about? When I was working overtime and had school, I didn't even bother posting here because I was exhausted.
Multi-task, and my work is 100% online front of PC- while waiting for testing to complete, i check phone, or the other tab.... hence why I often write very short posts.
There's a big difference between working 10 hours a day at a job where you basically sit on your a$$ the entire time, and working 10 hours a day at a job where you actually have to put forth physical effort.
In the military, I worked 12 hours a day, usually outside, in all types of whether, and being very physical. I could work a white-collar weenie job standing on my head.
Yes and no. As someone who's worked both manual labor is more physically tiring, but white collar is much more stressful because you're dealing with a lot more people. Also, if you're doing manual labor you probably only have one boss and one task to complete, with white collar you may have multiple bosses and tasks to juggle and that's mentally exhausting-- and mental exhaustion can lead to actual physical exhaustion.
Very true, as someone part of the IT team, i have pressures coming from:
- My CEO
- The sales team who make crazy promises to clients
- The clients themselves.
- The bugs/debuging/deadlines/risks...etc.
Can anyone die if you make a boo boo? (since we're trying to outdo each other with who has the hardest jobs)
I don't deny the fact that nursing is one of the most stressing and dangerous professions.
Angela gets a "fistbump" from me for being in a profession where people die if you screw-up.
Much respect, sister.
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Yeah I've been in that spot professionally, I really wouldn't care to explain either, only to say that sometimes those hazards aren't limited to any one person. I'd rather chill with the cats & actually bake bread or something than take the largest gigs I can all the time only to be grounded by nothing but a tiny laptop.
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If the worst thing that can happen to you at your job is that your boss will yell at you, or you could get fired, you've got it pretty easy.
I'll take tapping keys in a temperature-controlled building over turning a wrench on the flight line any day.
"Tapping keys" has been an extremely hazardous occupation & lifestyle for many people for decades. A lot of key tappers work in militaries too, I don't because the skills lent perspective on how dead I could end up. I also don't work with the government because I'd rather be dead than jailed for life over my pastebin account.
Be glad you don't have some monopoly on this.
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If the worst thing that can happen to you at your job is that your boss will yell at you, or you could get fired, you've got it pretty easy.
I'll take tapping keys in a temperature-controlled building over turning a wrench on the flight line any day.
"Tapping keys" has been an extremely hazardous occupation & lifestyle for many people for decades. A lot of key tappers work in militaries too, I don't because the skills lent perspective on how dead I could end up. I also don't work with the government because I'd rather be dead than jailed for life over my pastebin account.
Be glad you don't have some monopoly on this.
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XFiles: I can't wrap my brain around this one. The mental AND physical discipline and work ethic and abilities of people in the military absolutely amaze me, and there's no job out there that remotely approaches what you all do. This may sound cliche, but thank you for your service.
I can't think of many civy jobs out there with similar pressure. Police? Fire/rescue/EMT? Surgeons? I dunno...but I agree. A typo in code might ruin an app. A misstep in the military can cost lives.
If the worst thing that can happen to you at your job is that your boss will yell at you, or you could get fired, you've got it pretty easy.
I'll take tapping keys in a temperature-controlled building over turning a wrench on the flight line any day.
"Tapping keys" has been an extremely hazardous occupation & lifestyle for many people for decades. A lot of key tappers work in militaries too, I don't because the skills lent perspective on how dead I could end up. I also don't work with the government because I'd rather be dead than jailed for life over my pastebin account.
Be glad you don't have some monopoly on this.
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XFiles: I can't wrap my brain around this one. The mental AND physical discipline and work ethic and abilities of people in the military absolutely amaze me, and there's no job out there that remotely approaches what you all do. This may sound cliche, but thank you for your service.
I can't think of many civy jobs out there with similar pressure. Police? Fire/rescue/EMT? Surgeons? I dunno...but I agree. A typo in code might ruin an app. A misstep in the military can cost lives.
Thank you.
I didn't mean to sound like I was complaining, but I sometimes get exasperated when people who have little to no real responsibility kvetch about how "stressful" their jobs are.
As for the civilian equivalent, yes, firefighters, police, ect. all fit a similar profile. I would also add that being a parent carries the same burden of having the responsibility of human life upon one's shoulders.
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Perhaps some people on the spectrum respond differently than normal people. I don't see any reason why they have to have the same stress response as normal people.
I was able to juggle a full time desk job and be a full time caregiver for someone who was bed bound and required a Hoyer lift to use the bathroom. The lift was a pretty clever solution to muscle spasticity as it also reduced the possibility of bed sores though using one that often would be too costly for professionals, who now need two people to use one.
If the worst thing that can happen to you at your job is that your boss will yell at you, or you could get fired, you've got it pretty easy.
I'll take tapping keys in a temperature-controlled building over turning a wrench on the flight line any day.
"Tapping keys" has been an extremely hazardous occupation & lifestyle for many people for decades. A lot of key tappers work in militaries too, I don't because the skills lent perspective on how dead I could end up. I also don't work with the government because I'd rather be dead than jailed for life over my pastebin account.
Be glad you don't have some monopoly on this.
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XFiles: I can't wrap my brain around this one. The mental AND physical discipline and work ethic and abilities of people in the military absolutely amaze me, and there's no job out there that remotely approaches what you all do. This may sound cliche, but thank you for your service.
I can't think of many civy jobs out there with similar pressure. Police? Fire/rescue/EMT? Surgeons? I dunno...but I agree. A typo in code might ruin an app. A misstep in the military can cost lives.
I didn't say I'm always a developer. Please, some of us are trying to keep our heads out of our apps.
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"Standing on a well-chilled cinder, we see the fading of the suns, and try to recall the vanished brilliance of the origin of the worlds."
-Georges Lemaitre
"I fly through hyperspace, in my green computer interface"
-Gem Tos
Everybody wants equality, but equality is different for everyone.
Sure, most of the time both sides need to work, but nowadays some women make decent money. Why is it still a problem that a man makes less in this situation?
Seems to me XFG & others here strongly expect guys to do either manual OR skilled labor, no 'trades' here, housework is both & actually everybody has to do that anyway. 9 months out of 10 many of my female friends will outearn me, but I'll spoil someone's parade here: 1000-5000 USD nightly payouts are not unheard of if hackathonning is a sport to you.
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"Standing on a well-chilled cinder, we see the fading of the suns, and try to recall the vanished brilliance of the origin of the worlds."
-Georges Lemaitre
"I fly through hyperspace, in my green computer interface"
-Gem Tos
Everybody wants equality, but equality is different for everyone.
Sure, most of the time both sides need to work, but nowadays some women make decent money. Why is it still a problem that a man makes less in this situation?
Seems to me XFG & others here strongly expect guys to do either manual OR skilled labor, no 'trades' here, housework is both & actually everybody has to do that anyway. 9 months out of 10 many of my female friends will outearn me, but I'll spoil someone's parade here: 1000-5000 USD nightly payouts are not unheard of if hackathonning is a sport to you.
So another question then. If a wife works in an easy and low stress high paid job, while her husband works in a hard and stressful low paid job (roles could be reversed btw). Should they split house work equally or should one part do more? Why and which part should do more?
Everybody wants equality, but equality is different for everyone.
Sure, most of the time both sides need to work, but nowadays some women make decent money. Why is it still a problem that a man makes less in this situation?
Seems to me XFG & others here strongly expect guys to do either manual OR skilled labor, no 'trades' here, housework is both & actually everybody has to do that anyway. 9 months out of 10 many of my female friends will outearn me, but I'll spoil someone's parade here: 1000-5000 USD nightly payouts are not unheard of if hackathonning is a sport to you.
So another question then. If a wife works in an easy and low stress high paid job, while her husband works in a hard and stressful low paid job (roles could be reversed btw). Should they split house work equally or should one part do more? Why and which part should do more?
Is there such a thing as a low stress, high paying job? Example please.
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Everybody wants equality, but equality is different for everyone.
Sure, most of the time both sides need to work, but nowadays some women make decent money. Why is it still a problem that a man makes less in this situation?
Seems to me XFG & others here strongly expect guys to do either manual OR skilled labor, no 'trades' here, housework is both & actually everybody has to do that anyway. 9 months out of 10 many of my female friends will outearn me, but I'll spoil someone's parade here: 1000-5000 USD nightly payouts are not unheard of if hackathonning is a sport to you.
So another question then. If a wife works in an easy and low stress high paid job, while her husband works in a hard and stressful low paid job (roles could be reversed btw). Should they split house work equally or should one part do more? Why and which part should do more?
Is there such a thing as a low stress, high paying job? Example please.
I intentionally kept it vague so that we wouldn't argue about specifics. Something in arts or maybe something where you work in nature. So what do you thing? What would be fair to you?
A kid will eventually grow up, he/she will be at school /college half of the day at least- house works with all these machines aren't that hard anymore.
My aunt is a stay-at-home mother, and she keeps telling of the tons of TV series and the outings she does, so certainly she has a lot of extra time, despite having a demanding husband and two teens. Her husbands also hires for her a weekly maid to do the hard house chores.
Me? I can't even follow one series.
So please, don't tell me it's harder than a full-time job.
I think which is more difficult depends on various factors...for example, the job, the age of the children, their level of neediness, the habits of those who live in the house, and so on. I think it also depends on the individual. For me, it would be easier to be the bread winner.
A kid will eventually grow up, he/she will be at school /college half of the day at least- house works with all these machines aren't that hard anymore.
My aunt is a stay-at-home mother, and she keeps telling of the tons of TV series and the outings she does, so certainly she has a lot of extra time, despite having a demanding husband and two teens. Her husbands also hires for her a weekly maid to do the hard house chores.
Me? I can't even follow one series.
So please, don't tell me it's harder than a full-time job.
I think which is more difficult depends on various factors...for example, the job, the age of the children, their level of neediness, the habits of those who live in the house, and so on. I think it also depends on the individual. For me, it would be easier to be the bread winner.
And it wouldn't feel wrong to be the sole breadwinner?
Why do you only focus on men and say nothing about the women who think that it's demeaning for men and makes them less sexy? They are clearly mentioned in the original post.
