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Hate to poke at your self-hate bubble, Sly, but you're not ugly. Nice eyes, warm smile, good hair... You got stuff going for you.
People get off on overweight being a detractor-- I can't say much. I've actually seriously dated four people in my life. Three of them were overweight and the other one was extremely short.
At 5'7" and 175 lbs, I'm showing the effects of five pregnancies, four live births, impending middle age, sedentary living, and drowning depression in cheese sticks, cotton candy, and Coca-Cola myself. I still work hard and it's fat over muscle, but I'm chubby around the middle and in the face and generally starting to look like a middle-aged Scot.
If the extra weight bothers YOU, the best advice I can give you based on my experience is MOVE, MOVE, MOVE. You don't have to join a gym and get ripped. Just MOVE. Whatever movement makes you happy-- walk, jog, swim, hike, save up $20 and get yourself a Goodwill bike. Whatever. The key is that it's movement you ENJOY. You'll keep doing it, and it will make you feel better whether it takes any weight off or not.
I've never gone in for strenuous exercise. What I did used to do, 30 pounds (and one long-ass serious episode of depression, several drugs, two pregnancies, and one live birth) and 7 years ago, was walk. I walked and walked and walked and walked. And gardened with 100% human power and did most of my housework the hard way.
I didn't do it for weight. I did it for fun, and for my goddamn mental health. I quit because I'm the only one in the family that enjoys it, and somewhere in the last episode of depression I "realized" that all my time belongs to my husband and his family and that it's selfish and unfeminine to do things simply because I enjoy them and the fact that I used to do that was probably part of the reason his parents hated me. I'm starting to think I'd be a happier person if I stopped "sneaking" pleasurable activities that can be dropped at a second's notice and started walking again.
I've got a harder piece of advice for you, though. The biggest trouble I had with all the people I dated was their self-hate. I mean, I have my own, but. Compensating for someone else's self-hate is HARD WORK. Two of them never wanted me to be away from them and never wanted me to talk to anyone else, for fear I'd find someone better than what they thought they were and leave. I liked them a lot, but I couldn't abide being kept caged and chained, and ultimately it drove me out of the relationship. The other one wanted a gorgeous, socially perfect alpha-female so he could prop himself up by association and constantly insulted me and cut me down because that wasn't going to be me EVER. Ultimately he dumped me with a tirade of insults-- best thing he ever did for me, because I would have unhappily spent the rest of my life trying to be good enough for him.
If you do ANYTHING to improve your odds with women, teach yourself to like yourself. At least a little bit more than you do.
The world is full of women. They're not all the "alpha-women," but if you want my opinion the alpha-women aren't always the best ones to catch. I've seen a lot of them come... and GO. The alpha-women, conventionally beautiful and shiny front-runners of the social pack, are usually the ones that will throw you to the wolves for a perceived upgrade or for that matter just for novelty's sake. They might put out, but they tend to not be the ones who stick around when the s**t hits the fan (and EVERYBODY'S s**t will hit the fan sometime). The women I've seen stick are the "second-choice or less" girls-- the plain girls, the chubby girls, the shy girls, the tomboy girls, the 'other' girls. The "beta-and-lower girls."
Just a thought from an omega female LOL.
People get off on overweight being a detractor-- I can't say much. I've actually seriously dated four people in my life. Three of them were overweight and the other one was extremely short.
At 5'7" and 175 lbs, I'm showing the effects of five pregnancies, four live births, impending middle age, sedentary living, and drowning depression in cheese sticks, cotton candy, and Coca-Cola myself. I still work hard and it's fat over muscle, but I'm chubby around the middle and in the face and generally starting to look like a middle-aged Scot.
If the extra weight bothers YOU, the best advice I can give you based on my experience is MOVE, MOVE, MOVE. You don't have to join a gym and get ripped. Just MOVE. Whatever movement makes you happy-- walk, jog, swim, hike, save up $20 and get yourself a Goodwill bike. Whatever. The key is that it's movement you ENJOY. You'll keep doing it, and it will make you feel better whether it takes any weight off or not.
I've never gone in for strenuous exercise. What I did used to do, 30 pounds (and one long-ass serious episode of depression, several drugs, two pregnancies, and one live birth) and 7 years ago, was walk. I walked and walked and walked and walked. And gardened with 100% human power and did most of my housework the hard way.
I didn't do it for weight. I did it for fun, and for my goddamn mental health. I quit because I'm the only one in the family that enjoys it, and somewhere in the last episode of depression I "realized" that all my time belongs to my husband and his family and that it's selfish and unfeminine to do things simply because I enjoy them and the fact that I used to do that was probably part of the reason his parents hated me. I'm starting to think I'd be a happier person if I stopped "sneaking" pleasurable activities that can be dropped at a second's notice and started walking again.
I've got a harder piece of advice for you, though. The biggest trouble I had with all the people I dated was their self-hate. I mean, I have my own, but. Compensating for someone else's self-hate is HARD WORK. Two of them never wanted me to be away from them and never wanted me to talk to anyone else, for fear I'd find someone better than what they thought they were and leave. I liked them a lot, but I couldn't abide being kept caged and chained, and ultimately it drove me out of the relationship. The other one wanted a gorgeous, socially perfect alpha-female so he could prop himself up by association and constantly insulted me and cut me down because that wasn't going to be me EVER. Ultimately he dumped me with a tirade of insults-- best thing he ever did for me, because I would have unhappily spent the rest of my life trying to be good enough for him.
If you do ANYTHING to improve your odds with women, teach yourself to like yourself. At least a little bit more than you do.
The world is full of women. They're not all the "alpha-women," but if you want my opinion the alpha-women aren't always the best ones to catch. I've seen a lot of them come... and GO. The alpha-women, conventionally beautiful and shiny front-runners of the social pack, are usually the ones that will throw you to the wolves for a perceived upgrade or for that matter just for novelty's sake. They might put out, but they tend to not be the ones who stick around when the s**t hits the fan (and EVERYBODY'S s**t will hit the fan sometime). The women I've seen stick are the "second-choice or less" girls-- the plain girls, the chubby girls, the shy girls, the tomboy girls, the 'other' girls. The "beta-and-lower girls."
Just a thought from an omega female LOL.
Same goes for guys. The ones I've seen stick around, are usually not the alpha's.
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The phone could have been purchased for him by a family member.I don't think people should feel guilty about a gift.My family bought me an IPad 2 when they came out.No way could I afford one,and I'm not going to feel bad about it either.
Well that would be quite an expensive gift. IPhone 7s are about £500+. I think it's more likely he has it on contract, which is an expensive contract. I also assumed it was a contract as he upgraded it.
Maybe a relative has a family plan with a cell company?Not sure how that works,but dosent everyone on the plan get a new phone when they upgrade?
My tablet cost around $700 when my fam gifted me with it.
Since no one knows for sure about the phone purchase,I just don't think it's fair to judge him on his phone.
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sly279 wrote:
I have 18 a week for food, depending on how much. Made the month before( hours change a lot)
18 dollars per week to buy food? :O How do you even manage? I spend more than that on food per day!
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Also it seems unfair that women fatter then me are still pretty and have no problems finding love and don't get told to lose weight. No instead we have public info campaign to educate people that there's nothing wrong with women being bigger and not skinnY. But that's life I guess, always unfair.
Fat women get told to lose weight too.sly279 wrote:
I'm just going cut my food in half, then try cutting that in half eventually.
That type of thing worked for me.
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Loner269 wrote:
Here's me after I lost some of my fat ( I won't say weight as I mostly just gained muscle to replace the fat and stayed about same weight) and although the pictures might not be similar enough, they can show how much difference losing some fat can do, not saying I still would be especially handsome or anything

Going to gym and picking the healthiest options you can with your budget would definitely help you achieve your goals. 3 times a week is plenty enough for gym training sessions too so it shouldn't eat up too much of your precious time


Going to gym and picking the healthiest options you can with your budget would definitely help you achieve your goals. 3 times a week is plenty enough for gym training sessions too so it shouldn't eat up too much of your precious time

Wow! That's a massive improvement!

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Misslizard wrote:
The phone could have been purchased for him by a family member.I don't think people should feel guilty about a gift.My family bought me an IPad 2 when they came out.No way could I afford one,and I'm not going to feel bad about it either.
Well that would be quite an expensive gift. IPhone 7s are about £500+. I think it's more likely he has it on contract, which is an expensive contract. I also assumed it was a contract as he upgraded it.
Maybe a relative has a family plan with a cell company?Not sure how that works,but dosent everyone on the plan get a new phone when they upgrade?
My tablet cost around $700 when my fam gifted me with it.
Since no one knows for sure about the phone purchase,I just don't think it's fair to judge him on his phone.
I'm not judging him on his phone, I'm judging him for his list of excuses, including affordability for better food. As it happens, the link to the book I gave him teaches about different eating habits, which doesn't exclude any food group. He can eat as much crap as he wants, as long as he follows the rules in the book about how slim people eat and how to recognise real hunger signals.
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Misslizard wrote:
smudge wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
The phone could have been purchased for him by a family member.I don't think people should feel guilty about a gift.My family bought me an IPad 2 when they came out.No way could I afford one,and I'm not going to feel bad about it either.
Well that would be quite an expensive gift. IPhone 7s are about £500+. I think it's more likely he has it on contract, which is an expensive contract. I also assumed it was a contract as he upgraded it.
Maybe a relative has a family plan with a cell company?Not sure how that works,but dosent everyone on the plan get a new phone when they upgrade?
My tablet cost around $700 when my fam gifted me with it.
Since no one knows for sure about the phone purchase,I just don't think it's fair to judge him on his phone.
I'm not judging him on his phone, I'm judging him for his list of excuses, including affordability for better food. As it happens, the link to the book I gave him teaches about different eating habits, which doesn't exclude any food group. He can eat as much crap as he wants, as long as he follows the rules in the book about how slim people eat and how to recognise real hunger signals.
I can see where you are coming from.We do choose what we put in our mouth and if we want to break the cycle of bad eating habits.
It's also when you eat,my worst problem is I'm not hungry till late in the evening.This is from a childhood pattern of hating most breakfast foods.Then the nasty school lunch,which I couldn't eat.In second grade a teacher told me I had to eat the tasteless dry sandwich and I almost puked from it.When she wasn't looking I tossed the some of it under the table and hid some in the napkin.So I have a terrible eating pattern,I want to eat late in the evening since that's what I did when younger.Ive tried to eat breakfast,but I just don't have an appetite for it.Just black coffee in the morning.From what I've read you should eat like a king for breakfast,and a pauper for supper.Maybe that works foe some,but not for me.I was just as hungry later in the day when I tried eating larger meals earlier.
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Loner269 wrote:
Here's me after I lost some of my fat ( I won't say weight as I mostly just gained muscle to replace the fat and stayed about same weight) and although the pictures might not be similar enough, they can show how much difference losing some fat can do, not saying I still would be especially handsome or anything

Going to gym and picking the healthiest options you can with your budget would definitely help you achieve your goals. 3 times a week is plenty enough for gym training sessions too so it shouldn't eat up too much of your precious time


Going to gym and picking the healthiest options you can with your budget would definitely help you achieve your goals. 3 times a week is plenty enough for gym training sessions too so it shouldn't eat up too much of your precious time

*wolf-whistle*
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Misslizard wrote:
I can see where you are coming from.We do choose what we put in our mouth and if we want to break the cycle of bad eating habits.
It's also when you eat,my worst problem is I'm not hungry till late in the evening.This is from a childhood pattern of hating most breakfast foods.Then the nasty school lunch,which I couldn't eat.In second grade a teacher told me I had to eat the tasteless dry sandwich and I almost puked from it.When she wasn't looking I tossed the some of it under the table and hid some in the napkin.So I have a terrible eating pattern,I want to eat late in the evening since that's what I did when younger.Ive tried to eat breakfast,but I just don't have an appetite for it.Just black coffee in the morning.From what I've read you should eat like a king for breakfast,and a pauper for supper.Maybe that works foe some,but not for me.I was just as hungry later in the day when I tried eating larger meals earlier.
It's also when you eat,my worst problem is I'm not hungry till late in the evening.This is from a childhood pattern of hating most breakfast foods.Then the nasty school lunch,which I couldn't eat.In second grade a teacher told me I had to eat the tasteless dry sandwich and I almost puked from it.When she wasn't looking I tossed the some of it under the table and hid some in the napkin.So I have a terrible eating pattern,I want to eat late in the evening since that's what I did when younger.Ive tried to eat breakfast,but I just don't have an appetite for it.Just black coffee in the morning.From what I've read you should eat like a king for breakfast,and a pauper for supper.Maybe that works foe some,but not for me.I was just as hungry later in the day when I tried eating larger meals earlier.
I have that same thing! I'm not hungry until late in the day either. That book I mentioned says you should listen to your body (it re-educates you how to recognise it) and it's OK if you're not hungry, and shouldn't make yourself eat x amount at x time of day just because others tell you you should, and your body already knows how much it needs, far better than other people.
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The phone could have been purchased for him by a family member.I don't think people should feel guilty about a gift.My family bought me an IPad 2 when they came out.No way could I afford one,and I'm not going to feel bad about it either.
My sister is buying me the phone. She does it in payments off $25 a month for two years. Most people don't buy phones out right. I had s crappy a drone before iPhone and it crashed and broke a lot not matter how much it was replaced. Meanwhile my old iPod I bough 8 years ago ran up until last year when it overheated and fried the connection between the screen and CPU.anywyas she figure better I have a reliable phone.
I expect such reactions from hard core conservatives but didn't think I'd get it here.
Anyone can get an iPhone. The 7 will soon be only $20 a month.
Thanks for understanding mislizard, it's something I feel guilty about cause of conservatives at work and around town.
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You could go for more of a mo hawk like style with sides shaved and if not as extreme as that just maybe shorter on the sides would look good, or just buzz it all but just go to a hair place or something they can be pretty cheap and even things up so it looks good...and maybe don't wear that color of shirt you should go for darker colors. That looks better with paler skin and dark hair than things like yellow or off white. Otherwise I don't see anything wrong with your appearance.
I have dark hair, pale skin and freckles and usually wear darker colors the lightest being semi-light grey, I do have a couple white band shirts but they certainly don't look great on me they have some darker stuff on them so its not quite so bad but I probably wont get anymore that color.
I have dark hair, pale skin and freckles and usually wear darker colors the lightest being semi-light grey, I do have a couple white band shirts but they certainly don't look great on me they have some darker stuff on them so its not quite so bad but I probably wont get anymore that color.
I dont know about Mohawk. But maybe I see if there any cheap hair place that can cut hair for $5 a month and try to budget it in.
The whit shirt is my undershirt for work. We have a tan dress shirt. When I'm rarely out and about for non work I have bunch of colored shirts(gray, dark gray, blue, dark blue, orange, brown etc, or some with images family bought me like this one with toothless the dragon on it)
sly279 wrote:
My sister is buying me the phone. She does it in payments off $25 a month for two years.
If your sister is willing to spend $25 a month for two years for you to have a phone, what do you think she'd say if you asked for a few bucks to get gym gear so you can lose weight, feel better about yourself and maybe even get a girlfriend?
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I have $600 in shave soaps and brushes. Which can only be used with a razor to shave. I super enjoy shaving it's relaxing.
Biking to work is impractical, there's on,u two spots on each bus and if it's full your out of luck, work won't except the I had to wait for the next bus that's why I'm hour late excuse. I'd be fired after 3 days.
My doctor said given my body shape, 211 pounds would be unhealthy. Which is why I aimed for 240ish which put me at size 42 waist. I don't enjoy any physical activity at all.
I can't afford to do special diets. I have 18 a week for food, depending on how much. Made the month before( hours change a lot) I can't eat vegetables either besides peas and green beans, all others make me vomit. Pretty much limited to cheap processed foods or sterling to death.
I can't afford to pack s lunch to work and I don't get a lunch anyways just a 10 minute break. Protein shakes are expensive, my grandma gets them and even the cheap ones are processed and expensive.
What's a fiend.
I drink lots of water. It's boring though.
I should really just kill my self. I wish I'd never been born. Poor people shouldn't be alive we just burden the system end suffer
Biking to work is impractical, there's on,u two spots on each bus and if it's full your out of luck, work won't except the I had to wait for the next bus that's why I'm hour late excuse. I'd be fired after 3 days.
My doctor said given my body shape, 211 pounds would be unhealthy. Which is why I aimed for 240ish which put me at size 42 waist. I don't enjoy any physical activity at all.
I can't afford to do special diets. I have 18 a week for food, depending on how much. Made the month before( hours change a lot) I can't eat vegetables either besides peas and green beans, all others make me vomit. Pretty much limited to cheap processed foods or sterling to death.
I can't afford to pack s lunch to work and I don't get a lunch anyways just a 10 minute break. Protein shakes are expensive, my grandma gets them and even the cheap ones are processed and expensive.
What's a fiend.
I drink lots of water. It's boring though.
I should really just kill my self. I wish I'd never been born. Poor people shouldn't be alive we just burden the system end suffer
As a female I'm telling you - read my PM, buy that book. It's probably about $3 including postage second hand. It's hard to describe a book that is truly different about eating when all of those diet books practically say the same thing, including cutting out or limiting a major food group, but this book is really different. It is therapeutic as you read it, it's very easy and comfortable, and friendly to read.
Which book? I want a way to control my weight that doesn't rely on phentermine. Tell me, pleeease

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There's no way to fix poor self-image. Believe me I've tried.
These days I have to agree. You are right. It becomes a deep set pattern when others around you keep putting you down, or keep disrespecting how you truly feel...it makes you feel worthless. You need a therapist trained in NLP, and you need plenty of sessions. This is coming from a previously mostly confident person. It's amazing, and tragic how unsupportive people are, even when you have never gone to them with a problem before.
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