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30 Dec 2017, 7:49 pm

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So basically with all the advice I'm getting. I should either pretend to be something I'm not, or just give up? Lol Really helpful! All I'm asking is for someone to hold judgment until they really get to know me. Of course women don't understand this concept. I would give a lady a chance that lasted more than one date, or 10 min. I am who I am. I shouldn't have to put on a show for someone to like me. For aspie women, you don't have to initiate anything, and you're a man's wet dream. I have to deal with women who think I'm supposed to be some highly social, emotional being. But since I have a Aspergers, that is never gonna happen. But I can be a honest, loyal trustworthy friend. But apparently since I'm too f*****g weird, that isn't going to happen.


What the actual hell are you talking about? A mans wet dream? lmfao. What rot.



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30 Dec 2017, 7:52 pm

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If you’re bitter about women, why are you trying to date?
Because I don't want to be alone the rest of my life! I would like a friend and Lover! But apparently that's to much to ask for.


Taking a break from dating does not equate to being alone forever. That is irrational.
I took a 2 year absence from dating! Came back recently, still the same s**t! Like with most women, its always the mans fault for anything. Ya'll are never wrong. But what most are suggesting is being completely not myself. If these women would be honest, and tell me what I'm doing wrong, I might be able to reevaluate my approach. I didn't say it was easy for women aspies, but it's definitely harder for males, based on that women in general expect men to initiate all contact, and advances. I see most dating problems are from male aspies. But, somehow I'm supposed to change everything I'm doing to make sure the woman likes me, while they don't have to do s**t!


What if I told you... men are judgemental and reject like that, too? Everything you said has happened to me. Stop saying it’s only women who do it. That’s disgusting.

People can sense deep seated hate like a radar. It’s called giving off vibes. The vibes you’re giving off clearly appear to be entitled and anti women. Don’t want to give off those vibes? Fix your attitude. Life isn’t such a walk in the park for an aspie female. You’d be suprised how often we get bullied and abused by men.



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30 Dec 2017, 7:55 pm

Cabal82 wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
Cabal82 wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
Cabal82 wrote:
hobojungle wrote:
Cabal82 wrote:
hobojungle wrote:
Cabal82 wrote:
I took a 2 year absence from dating! Came back recently, still the same s**t! Like with most women, its always the mans fault for anything. Ya'll are never wrong. But what most are suggesting is being completely not myself. If these women would be honest, and tell me what I'm doing wrong, I might be able to reevaluate my approach. I didn't say it was easy for women aspies, but it's definitely harder for males, based on that women in general expect men to initiate all contact, and advances. I see most dating problems are from male aspies. But, somehow I'm supposed to change everything I'm doing to make sure the woman likes me, while they don't have to do s**t!


Maybe two years wasn’t long enough.
You're so much help! Thank you! Now shut the f**k up!! I asked for help, but all I'm getting, all from WOMEN is horse s**t! Ya'll all think its your prerogative to judge us, but we cant do the same. More feminist BS!



I wonder if we’ll ever figure out why you can’t get a second date :?:
Because women are judgmental b*****s! You prove my point! Thanks. Because you haven't offered any reasonable advise, except to dump on me to make yourself feel better! I've ask several times for advise, and all I get back from you is BS!


Personally insulting and slurring women isn't going to make them want to help you. It's also against the rules of this site and will get you banned if you persist.
Blah, blah, blah, blah! I asked for advise, but all I'm getting is ridicule, and disdain! Really appreciated it!


You have gotten advice, but you've ignored it to personally criticize the women responding to you instead. I wonder if you have a tendency to not actually listen to the women you're on dates with like you're not listening to the women talking to you here, and they pick up on that (as we tend to notice when people aren't listening to what we say.) There are lots of indications in your communications here of why you might struggle to get past the first meeting with women if this is how you talk to them when you get frustrated and struggle to regulate your feelings.

Have you ever considered anger management?
I'm beyond frustrated, and I'm sorry for taking it out on the women on here! On dates I don't talk gender politics, I thought I was being a gentleman, and talking about normal things. It must be something to do with either eye contact or some sort of quirk they tend to not like. I can never seem to find out, even when I ask. I tend to interrupt people, not on purpose, but when a thought pops into my head. That could be a reason. But when you're told that you are odd, or something seems off with you. It does make me angry. Because I see it as I'm just being myself. I'm sorry for venting my anger. I do have anger issues. And I've struggled with them for a long time.


If you vent your frustrations at others a lot and struggle with anger that is another red flag that women look to avoid. I would suggest therapy to work on emotional regulation, I bet that would help you come off as more easy going and it would make women more likely to give you a chance and to look past some awkwardness. Being awkward doesn't have to be a deal-breaker, but being easily frustrated by one's own awkwardness can be. If you were more accepting of your own awkwardness then how other people see you wouldn't get you so angry, and it would help smooth over that awkwardness. This is probably the only thing that's helped me with my own awkwardness with people, you have to learn to let go and just roll with it and not get angry at yourself--it makes a much better first impression with people if you are aware of your awkwardness but accepting of it rather than frustrated by it.



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30 Dec 2017, 7:57 pm

hale_bopp wrote:
Cabal82 wrote:
hobojungle wrote:
Cabal82 wrote:
hobojungle wrote:
If you’re bitter about women, why are you trying to date?
Because I don't want to be alone the rest of my life! I would like a friend and Lover! But apparently that's to much to ask for.


Taking a break from dating does not equate to being alone forever. That is irrational.
I took a 2 year absence from dating! Came back recently, still the same s**t! Like with most women, its always the mans fault for anything. Ya'll are never wrong. But what most are suggesting is being completely not myself. If these women would be honest, and tell me what I'm doing wrong, I might be able to reevaluate my approach. I didn't say it was easy for women aspies, but it's definitely harder for males, based on that women in general expect men to initiate all contact, and advances. I see most dating problems are from male aspies. But, somehow I'm supposed to change everything I'm doing to make sure the woman likes me, while they don't have to do s**t!


What if I told you... men are judgemental and reject like that, too? Everything you said has happened to me. Stop saying it’s only women who do it. That’s disgusting.
I just apologized in my last post! I was venting. Stop taking it personally.



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30 Dec 2017, 7:57 pm

hale_bopp wrote:
Cabal82 wrote:
hobojungle wrote:
Cabal82 wrote:
hobojungle wrote:
If you’re bitter about women, why are you trying to date?
Because I don't want to be alone the rest of my life! I would like a friend and Lover! But apparently that's to much to ask for.


Taking a break from dating does not equate to being alone forever. That is irrational.
I took a 2 year absence from dating! Came back recently, still the same s**t! Like with most women, its always the mans fault for anything. Ya'll are never wrong. But what most are suggesting is being completely not myself. If these women would be honest, and tell me what I'm doing wrong, I might be able to reevaluate my approach. I didn't say it was easy for women aspies, but it's definitely harder for males, based on that women in general expect men to initiate all contact, and advances. I see most dating problems are from male aspies. But, somehow I'm supposed to change everything I'm doing to make sure the woman likes me, while they don't have to do s**t!


What if I told you... men are judgemental and reject like that, too? Everything you said has happened to me. Stop saying it’s only women who do it. That’s disgusting.


This is true--awkwardness puts people off and makes them uncomfortable, men and women alike. Reacting badly and angrily to one's own awkwardness only compounds the problem.



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30 Dec 2017, 8:00 pm

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
Cabal82 wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
Cabal82 wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
Cabal82 wrote:
hobojungle wrote:
Cabal82 wrote:
hobojungle wrote:
Cabal82 wrote:
I took a 2 year absence from dating! Came back recently, still the same s**t! Like with most women, its always the mans fault for anything. Ya'll are never wrong. But what most are suggesting is being completely not myself. If these women would be honest, and tell me what I'm doing wrong, I might be able to reevaluate my approach. I didn't say it was easy for women aspies, but it's definitely harder for males, based on that women in general expect men to initiate all contact, and advances. I see most dating problems are from male aspies. But, somehow I'm supposed to change everything I'm doing to make sure the woman likes me, while they don't have to do s**t!


Maybe two years wasn’t long enough.
You're so much help! Thank you! Now shut the f**k up!! I asked for help, but all I'm getting, all from WOMEN is horse s**t! Ya'll all think its your prerogative to judge us, but we cant do the same. More feminist BS!



I wonder if we’ll ever figure out why you can’t get a second date :?:
Because women are judgmental b*****s! You prove my point! Thanks. Because you haven't offered any reasonable advise, except to dump on me to make yourself feel better! I've ask several times for advise, and all I get back from you is BS!


Personally insulting and slurring women isn't going to make them want to help you. It's also against the rules of this site and will get you banned if you persist.
Blah, blah, blah, blah! I asked for advise, but all I'm getting is ridicule, and disdain! Really appreciated it!


You have gotten advice, but you've ignored it to personally criticize the women responding to you instead. I wonder if you have a tendency to not actually listen to the women you're on dates with like you're not listening to the women talking to you here, and they pick up on that (as we tend to notice when people aren't listening to what we say.) There are lots of indications in your communications here of why you might struggle to get past the first meeting with women if this is how you talk to them when you get frustrated and struggle to regulate your feelings.

Have you ever considered anger management?
I'm beyond frustrated, and I'm sorry for taking it out on the women on here! On dates I don't talk gender politics, I thought I was being a gentleman, and talking about normal things. It must be something to do with either eye contact or some sort of quirk they tend to not like. I can never seem to find out, even when I ask. I tend to interrupt people, not on purpose, but when a thought pops into my head. That could be a reason. But when you're told that you are odd, or something seems off with you. It does make me angry. Because I see it as I'm just being myself. I'm sorry for venting my anger. I do have anger issues. And I've struggled with them for a long time.


If you vent your frustrations at others a lot and struggle with anger that is another red flag that women look to avoid. I would suggest therapy to work on emotional regulation, I bet that would help you come off as more easy going and it would make women more likely to give you a chance and to look past some awkwardness. Being awkward doesn't have to be a deal-breaker, but being easily frustrated by one's own awkwardness can be. If you were more accepting of your own awkwardness then how other people see you wouldn't get you so angry, and it would help smooth over that awkwardness. This is probably the only thing that's helped me with my own awkwardness with people, you have to learn to let go and just roll with it and not get angry at yourself--it makes a much better first impression with people if you are aware of your awkwardness but accepting of it rather than frustrated by it.
Thanks for the advice. It does make a lot of sense. A lot of it does come from anger at myself for my oddness. I've tried therapy before, but it's really hard for me to open up with someone face to face.



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30 Dec 2017, 8:04 pm

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Thanks for the advice. It does make a lot of sense. A lot of it does come from anger at myself for my oddness. I've tried therapy before, but it's really hard for me to open up with someone face to face.


I would strongly advise trying again. It can only help with dating, as it will help you to learn to open up (which you need to do anyway when in the "getting to know you" phase of dating that you are trying to get through.) Think of talking to the therapist as practice for talking to women on dates. Being emotionally vulnerable can be very endearing and draw sensitive and supportive people to yourself, if you can be accepting of that part of yourself too and not let anger get in the way.



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30 Dec 2017, 8:11 pm

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Thanks for the advice. It does make a lot of sense. A lot of it does come from anger at myself for my oddness. I've tried therapy before, but it's really hard for me to open up with someone face to face.


I would strongly advise trying again. It can only help with dating, as it will help you to learn to open up (which you need to do anyway when in the "getting to know you" phase of dating that you are trying to get through.) Think of talking to the therapist as practice for talking to women on dates. Being emotionally vulnerable can be very endearing and draw sensitive and supportive people to yourself, if you can be accepting of that part of yourself too and not let anger get in the way.
I don't know how to be emotional, other than being angry. I'm usually so neutral. People think I'm cold, and don't care, because I don't physically show it. I've always been good at the physical part of dating, but suck at social and emotional part.



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30 Dec 2017, 8:42 pm

Cabal82 wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
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Thanks for the advice. It does make a lot of sense. A lot of it does come from anger at myself for my oddness. I've tried therapy before, but it's really hard for me to open up with someone face to face.


I would strongly advise trying again. It can only help with dating, as it will help you to learn to open up (which you need to do anyway when in the "getting to know you" phase of dating that you are trying to get through.) Think of talking to the therapist as practice for talking to women on dates. Being emotionally vulnerable can be very endearing and draw sensitive and supportive people to yourself, if you can be accepting of that part of yourself too and not let anger get in the way.
I don't know how to be emotional, other than being angry. I'm usually so neutral. People think I'm cold, and don't care, because I don't physically show it. I've always been good at the physical part of dating, but suck at social and emotional part.


Those are all good reasons to try therapy again. Not sure what else to tell you, because I don't know of anything else that would help you. If you want to be yourself and find someone that will give you a chance to get to know you, talking to a therapist seems like good practice to me.



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30 Dec 2017, 9:07 pm

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I hope you don't talk about this stuff when you're on a date.

Gender politics is almost taboo as a subject talked about on a date.

Just talk about more neutral things at first----like family.

What do you like to talk about? Talk to you date the same as you would talk to a friend. Women do appreciate it when you show intentions of friendship. If you talk to women like they're "women," they might get the wrong idea, and think you want to get in their pants right away.


i second this. if a guy treats me like a friend on a first date, it puts me more at ease



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30 Dec 2017, 9:28 pm

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I hope you don't talk about this stuff when you're on a date.

Gender politics is almost taboo as a subject talked about on a date.

Just talk about more neutral things at first----like family.

What do you like to talk about? Talk to you date the same as you would talk to a friend. Women do appreciate it when you show intentions of friendship. If you talk to women like they're "women," they might get the wrong idea, and think you want to get in their pants right away.


i second this. if a guy treats me like a friend on a first date, it puts me more at ease
Thing is, I thought I was treating them that way! So I'm think it has to be body language or eye contact.



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i second this. if a guy treats me like a friend on a first date, it puts me more at ease
Thing is, I thought I was treating them that way! So I'm think it has to be body language or eye contact.


It very well could be. No one on this forum will be able to tell you for sure what exactly the problem is (or if there's one problem or more), especially if it's something subtle like that. We haven't seen you in person. We can only take guesses with the information we have.

In real life I've met aspie-guys who made people very uncomfortable with eye-contact and body-language issues and others who may have seemed a bit awkward, if there was anything noticeable at all, but didn't make people feel uncomfortable. So, no idea which is true for you.



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31 Dec 2017, 4:31 am

So many bad advices here, and kara as usual wants to send any man to therapy just for being upset. All bs again.

Are you willing to follow my “dark side” path?



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So many bad advices here, and kara as usual wants to send any man to therapy just for being upset. All bs again.

Are you willing to follow my “dark side” path?


If the advice is so bad then how about you give him some good advice? I'm honestly curious to see what you consider to be good advice on getting women.



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31 Dec 2017, 11:00 am

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So many bad advices here, and kara as usual wants to send any man to therapy just for being upset. All bs again.

Are you willing to follow my “dark side” path?


If the advice is so bad then how about you give him some good advice? I'm honestly curious to see what you consider to be good advice on getting women.


Not here, not now. It’s so NSFW.

Happy new year, fella.



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The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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So many bad advices here, and kara as usual wants to send any man to therapy just for being upset. All bs again.

Are you willing to follow my “dark side” path?


If the advice is so bad then how about you give him some good advice? I'm honestly curious to see what you consider to be good advice on getting women.


Not here, not now. It’s so NSFW.

Happy new year, fella.


Im assuming it's pua (or similar) google "pua" and you can read it. it's some weird nt thing lol