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10 Jun 2022, 1:16 pm

Something else to consider: There seems to be nothing more hurtful for a man to hear than to be told that a former lover of his wife/girlfriend/mistress was a better "lay" than he . . . unless it is to be told that the child he thought he had fathered was actually fathered by someone else.



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10 Jun 2022, 1:47 pm

I'm not especially "well-endowed," but only one of my lovers really had a bad attitude about the fact that I'm not "horse-hung." Some of the others said that a man having an especially large "size" hurts them, while others didn't really say or express anything.



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10 Jun 2022, 2:05 pm

Fnord wrote:
Something else to consider: There seems to be nothing more hurtful for a man to hear than to be told that a former lover of his wife/girlfriend/mistress was a better "lay" than he . . . unless it is to be told that the child he thought he had fathered was actually fathered by someone else.


Oh I thought that the reason for guys not liking a woman's past was because they were afraid she will cheat, or at least that is what guys have said in conversation as well, as asking online, but it may really be the endowment issue then?



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10 Jun 2022, 2:31 pm

It could be the "cheating" thing, too.....



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10 Jun 2022, 4:14 pm

Fnord wrote:
Something else to consider: There seems to be nothing more hurtful for a man to hear than to be told that a former lover of his wife/girlfriend/mistress was a better "lay" than he . . . unless it is to be told that the child he thought he had fathered was actually fathered by someone else.


Do women feel the same way though, if a guy tells them this? It seems that since women are more comfortable with men having a higher number, that they are more accepting of not being the best lay possibly, compared to men?



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10 Jun 2022, 6:08 pm

ironpony wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Something else to consider: There seems to be nothing more hurtful for a man to hear than to be told that a former lover of his wife/girlfriend/mistress was a better "lay" than he . . . unless it is to be told that the child he thought he had fathered was actually fathered by someone else.


Do women feel the same way though, if a guy tells them this? It seems that since women are more comfortable with men having a higher number, that they are more accepting of not being the best lay possibly, compared to men?

For me, it depends on what he did, not a "count". Count is just a clue to guide the assessment direction.
If a person has a low/nonexistent "count" only because he can't, I don't think it will be more attractive than the opposite.

But on the other hand, if a person apparently seems to can have a high "count" but actually no "count", I will try to figure out whether he has a special ideology/defect that we shouldn't even be friends.


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10 Jun 2022, 7:10 pm

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I wouldn’t give two craps….if I fall madly in love with her.

If I’m not a “better lay” than some other guy, I would try to make myself that “better lay.”

problem is that many women aren't willing to work with one, fail the first time, hit the road.



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10 Jun 2022, 8:23 pm

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Most guys wouldn't want to be humiliated on taking their pants off or after attempting to have sex with a woman who may have a lot of past experiences for comparison.


I think the term "used goods" was used back in the old days. But nowadays men can't afford to be so picky.



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10 Jun 2022, 8:25 pm

...as long as somebody will be nice to me...



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10 Jun 2022, 8:31 pm

ironpony wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Something else to consider: There seems to be nothing more hurtful for a man to hear than to be told that a former lover of his wife/girlfriend/mistress was a better "lay" than he . . . unless it is to be told that the child he thought he had fathered was actually fathered by someone else.


Do women feel the same way though, if a guy tells them this? It seems that since women are more comfortable with men having a higher number, that they are more accepting of not being the best lay possibly, compared to men?


They are, in prehistoric times early tribal society the headman was the most powerful warrior and could sleep with any woman in the tribe. After this the most powerful men were permitted to take wives. The men who were unable to complete the initiation rites (often involving feats of strength (killing a lion or something with sticks) or taking a life of an enemy were either cast out or not permitted a woman.

This is simply a more elaborate version of what chimps do which is the alpha males get most access to females. And females want the alphas. Why? its biological to want the genes that have the highest likelihood for healthy strong offspring.

If we weren't encumbered by christianity or constructed moral barriers then men would attempt to access as many fertile healthy young females to mate with and women would seek the strongest/healthiest/powerful males.

Monogamy is a social construct
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10 Jun 2022, 8:33 pm

auntblabby wrote:
...as long as somebody will be nice to me...


nice females are snapped up early like bargains at christmas sales.



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10 Jun 2022, 11:19 pm

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For what it's worth, it's a pop-sci source, not a paper and it's oversimplifying the findings in the paper it's referring to.

There's a general trend that wealth amassing societies are more likely to be patriarchal in nature, and that the neolithic cultural package enabled wealth amassing to a much greater level than previously seen but even the paper makes a questionable statement referring to: Innovations in transportation technology (e.g., the invention of the wheel, horse and camel domestication...) but there isn't much evidence of domesticated horses prior to a few centuries before the cusp of the Bronze Age and both types of camel were domesticated even later, well into the Bronze Age. Based on that (and more broadly) it seems fair to suggest the pattern of males facing additional selective pressures didn't cease and might help contribute to the appearance of a bottleneck.

It also doesn't seem applicable to the Americas, although the majority of American cultures were either Neolithic or Chalcolithic by most measures they lacked livestock, which seems likely to impact many patterns. A society where dogs and turkeys are the only chattel is going to have a different relationship with the whole concept of chattel property and the idea of amassing it. This seems likely to impact some of the processes described. Further, at least in Europe there was significant population replacement associated with the introduction of the neolithic cultural package and a second wave in some areas

To be fair, the paper makes no claims of it applying to the Americas, I'm just making sure to clarify that.

The article itself saying a bottleneck 8k years ago impacted all neolithic peoples is an overstatement considering even in Europe it hadn't entirely diffused until 6.5 kya, the paper is more clear about the connection between the arrival of neolithic culture being what's in common, not time.

Overall though, it would be an even more vast oversimplification to suggest that paper is proof girls only want to f**k Chad, it's proven by evolution when ultimately that pattern isn't borne out in societies that aren't undergoing the massive cultural shifts seen during the transition to the neolithic but further, it's assuming a substantial degree of choice in sexual arrangements that seems unreasonable to apply to those societies based upon what we know about their values and views of women. The women in those societies almost certainly weren't f*****g who they wanted to based on choice which means any conclusions drawn on the assumptions of choice can be dismissed out of hand.


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11 Jun 2022, 12:38 am

Personally, I would marry no woman who was not a virgin so even one is too high of a body count.Its part of my Christian faith.



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11 Jun 2022, 12:43 am

Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
Personally, I would marry no woman who was not a virgin so even one is too high of a body count.Its part of my Christian faith.


I try to be a good Christian too, but do you find that it's hard to find a virgin, so you just accept that's how society is now, if you want more dating options?



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11 Jun 2022, 1:02 am

ironpony wrote:
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Personally, I would marry no woman who was not a virgin so even one is too high of a body count.Its part of my Christian faith.


I try to be a good Christian too, but do you find that it's hard to find a virgin, so you just accept that's how society is now, if you want more dating options?

Well I think human society has pretty always been that way.But I would rather remain single for the rest of my life than marry a woman I would not be happy with.I guess my biggest hangup for whatever reason is that I just dont want my virginity taken by a non-virgin.The lack of virgin is part of the reason why I prefer dating younger women.And also another reason is that I dont want to risk any STDs.I dont want more dating options if it means the only other options are non-virgins.I dont think the lack of virgins is the real problem in my case.



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11 Jun 2022, 1:04 am

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I guess my biggest hangup for whatever reason is that I just dont want my virginity taken by a non-virgin.The lack of virgin is part of the reason why I prefer dating younger women..


You are a prime candidate for seeking a wife overseas. Don't wait for a virgin in the states, you will be an old man living in a shack wondering what happened.