Nice Guys and Love, what's your take on the issue

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Girls just assume I will be a doormat, and they are probably right. Still, would like to get the chance.

"Yay for regurgitating millenia-old gender stereotypes !"

"What's that? You're not turned on by d!ckwads who lie, cheat, and occassionally give you black eyes?
You're just a bra-burning FEMINAZI trying to mess with NATURE." *Cue chest-beating*

It's odd,I am a very person at times but in relationships I can't be with a shy man.When I have been,I become like the man,dominant and doing all the talking. It's odd...kind of a role reversal.Maybe I'm lesbian

I'm with ya, Mackia. Strangely, I usually get along with that group well. Nice Guy: where I stand. Society sets certain standards for women. Women sometimes (not usually) seek out guys with money, which are (usually) jerks. Lesson: Vast majority of young, rich kids = Jerks. Vast majority of drug-dealers with respect to the general high school population: Rich, if not already rich kids in disguise.

I was one and I should know. Not a drug dealer, but a rich, white Jerk.

As far as 'attracted to money/wealth' go, I believe this a standard carried over from 1800's history and part of the patriarchal society we still sort-of live in. And fairly uncommon in general population.

As a nice guy, do you go for who you are attracted to? Subconsciously? Do you go for the pretty girl, who's dating a socially affluent guy who meets her needs more? Do you ever bother to have a conversation with the girl? Do you think 'friends first'? I've found girls to be much nicer than most guys I know. And more rational and waaaaaaaaaaay less judgemental. But that's just me.

Seriously, just sit down with a girl you may be interested in and have a friendly conversation. It's true you are obsessed, but you have one things other guys do not. You know lots of random crap about everything. Therefore, when you talk about her interests, include your thoughts on the subject that you got an A on in high school. You'll be surprised at how rational this is.

Talking about stuff is what you do best, chatter away for an hour or two when you get the chance. Preferably when the girl is by his/herself in a non-threatening environment (COFFEE SHOP!). Before long you guys will get to know each other. Rinse and repeat. If she's interested, she will let you know verbally by actions (Examples: I forget my name when we are speaking, I will not leave the table until you do even though my best friend is going clubbing, I continually invite you to the table and usually want to sit next to you). Then, just see where it goes from there.

If you really want success, there is a trick that does usually work. Now I've been on an entirety of two dates. Lock eyes with subject for approximately 1-2 seconds. Look for a basic smile (you can do this without great face-reading). If they give back a big, warm smile, engage in a conversation.

Don't get discouraged, these things take time. Just wait till you actually start getting close to a relationship.

Then it really starts to get fun.

Nice guys don't finish last. "nice guys" finish last.

True Alpha male: Confident, friendly, non judgemental. Often intelligent with high motivation to do well. Has a lot of friends. Always gets women.

Faux "Alpha" male, aka "douche" "bad boy" Has a sense of agression and superiority. often "hot" looking. Knows how to woo a women but plays hard to keep.
Doesn't always get women, but gets a lot.

Decent Guy, beta male Similar to a true alpha male although less likely to have the social charm. Often nerds and geeks, maybe with less social skills. Has respect for other people. Doesn't get women as much as the other two, but its possible.

"nice guy" aka Omega male, douche in disguise - Secretly hates women for not dating him. Judgemental and bitter. Tries to woo women pretending to be nice and lashes out upon failure. Has the bad qualities of a faux alpha male and the bad qualities of a Beta male.
Can't get women

Being nice, being mean, what's the difference? Either way, it's fake. Just be you. If "you" are nice, then great. Be you. If "you" are a douche, great. Be you. Nice, mean, whatever, impressing her doesn't work, because the only way to impress someone is to let them be impressed on their own. If you are being who you are, then she will be who she is. If you are being nice, mean, quirky, or trying anything else, she is going to continue to react to that, and unless you are a machine that can consistently keep track of every time you changed it up, then it's probably not going to work. But that's just it. It's not about "what works" She isn't work. A person is not work!

That's why people love video games, because the game doesn't get mad at you and post on the screen "You are a loser! Stop smoking weed. Get a job." The game just keeps being itself.

it aint about nice guys or bad guys or whatever it's about pushovers. who lose, all the time.

it aint about nice guys or bad guys or whatever it's about pushovers. who lose, all the time.

Wow this has gone on forever, don't have time to read all of that.

My opinion is that girls like guys with confidence, which shows they can run things, take care of them, deliver a good standard of living etc. Aparently this is more important than other factors. Girls seem to hate arrogance (so not the jerks but) but hate a lack of confidence worse. How can you look after a girl if you look like you need looking after yourself? I know it's a cold world out there but look at it from their side: All they have to do is look pretty but what if the wrong guy comes along, or worse still, what if they're ugly? At least guys get to pick and choose I suppose.

most men here have no idea about women, so their advice is tainted with their bitterness