The Problem with Western Men is....

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Arrogant guys are everywhere, even Asians have this problem too...

I have wondered if there are few western women that may prefer asian men just as few western men prefering asian women, which seems interesting.

Hopefully my wife would be one?

Of course. Markets have to clear, and things have to balance out.

The problem is, women want the alpha/jock/bad boy looks without the arrogance and they usually come hand in hand. The reason a nice guy is whiney and needy is because he hasn't been given enough attention. The reason the alpha/jock/bad boy is arrogant is because it's who he is. So it's your choice women. Take that nice guy that will treat you right but might have some social issues, or take the guy that will just cheat on you, verbally or physically abuse you, and have no respect for you whatsoever. You can't have it both ways, and if that magic guy exists, he can get any woman he wants, why would he choose you?

*shakes head* You are creating mythos from stereotypes, and it is unfortunately that you choose to paint women in such a negative light. Does that really seem like it would be attractive to anyone? Sadly, this comes across as portrayal of self as victim instead of seeking to do something about it.


M.

I don't hate women. In fact, quite the opposite, I hate the men I'm speaking of. And when women start threads like this complaining about men, what I was saying is that they can choose their great looking bad boy, or they can go with the guy that might not have the looks or charm but will treat her right. I personally don't care what 99% of women do with their time and who they date. I'm not trying to attract most women. I'm just saying, when you get what you want, don't complain about the consequences.

What was that old curse again? Give people what they ask for?

Admittedly, men are like this too. Nice guys turn down the nice girls throughout high school and college, holding out for the attractive broad dating the quarterback, then whine on the internet when they're still single.

Luckily, most of us get past that, learn to stop whining, and find someone like ourselves. You're not going to date a bunch of supermodels without being Howard Hughes. Now, if you can learn to WANT the nice girl giving you sneaky looks, and get to the point you'll take her over the skanky cheerleader any day of the week, you're set for a nice long relationship.

I've always wanted the nice girl. Well in high school when I was immature and didn't know what I wanted and was discovering my sexuality for the first time, I wanted the popular girls that looked really hot but were mean to people. But since age 18, I've just wanted a nice girl with girl next door beauty that to me is sexy. Unfortunately, they're still social people, and it requires a great deal of socializing to find and keep such a woman.

I really doubt if you went up to 99.9 percent of men, especially under the age of 30, that their dream woman is Roz from Frasier. That's what makes it all the more frustrating. I'm a decent looking guy wanting the same in a woman. Sure, who wouldn't turn down a night with a Jessica Rabbit type of woman, but that's not what I want in a relationship.

I would go for that any day of the week, if only the nice girl was giving me said sneaky looks. As it stands, there in not one single woman out there that even finds me remotely intriguing. In my entire life, there has only been one girl that has even given me a real chance, and she hates me now.

By the way, as a side note, I've found out that in the end, looks are completely irrelevant for me, since once I become attracted to a woman, she becomes all of a sudden better-looking in my eyes than the most beautiful supermodel...

Toad, you realize this "no woman could ever like me" is counter-productive in that even when you finally meet a woman, you'll turn her off with your low self-image and bad self-esteem?

I'm just drawing on past experience when I say that. Women haven't liked me in the past, why should it be any different in the future?

Because relationships aren't science. And they aren't art, either. It's both and something altogether different at the same time; reducing it to one aspect is doomed to fail because it doesn't address the whole of being.


M.

You have to be realistic. You say you're 100 lbs overweight. Even non-shallow women don't like obesity in a man. You don't like anything that women like. You want to stay in your safe world of church and nothing else just to say "Well I'm doing something" when you really aren't. What do you have to offer a woman at all? And I don't mean that as an insult. When you see ugly or fat guys with women, there's a reason for it...either he has a great personality, money, mutual friends, or he wasn't always fat, but put on weight after they started dating, or she has low self esteem. Do you want a girl with low self-esteem, i.e. a female Toad or a woman down the road that just wants you because you have a great job? I don't think you do.

Also, you come off as very needy, wanting to cuddle and hug all the time. Women don't like to be treated like a possession, even a non-sexual possession. As touchy feely as women are, they need their space too.

You need to work on yourself inside and out with 100 percent effort, and then and only then is the subject of women even relevant in your life.

Do any of the ladies here have a preference for non-Western men?

Due to all sorts of liberal political indoctrination during the last 60 years, Western man has lost a lot of his masculinity and became a more androgynous being. Non-white ethnic groups seem less affected by this for some reason, which is why some women prefer black and Mestizo men over White men. If you want a very manly man, you'll be looking very hard among white men these days.



As I said, I suspect this is because black men are less affected by the feminisation of men. I doubt a somewhat larger sex organ (on average) and superior track running skills (on average) have anything to do with it.