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Do you believe it is generally true that (a) AS guys have it harder than AS girls. (b) NT girls discriminate against AS guys. (c) an AS/AS relationship is better than an AS/NT relationship.
I believe (a), (b), and (c). 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
I believe (a) and (b). 15%  15%  [ 9 ]
I believe (a) and (c). 3%  3%  [ 2 ]
I believe (b) and (c). 10%  10%  [ 6 ]
I believe (a). 5%  5%  [ 3 ]
I believe (b). 10%  10%  [ 6 ]
I believe (c). 8%  8%  [ 5 ]
I disagree. 37%  37%  [ 23 ]
I am undecided. 13%  13%  [ 8 ]
Total votes : 62

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18 Apr 2011, 12:07 pm

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Men are biologically 'programmed' to look for fertile women (as it makes no sense, from an evolutionary perspective, for them to mate with infertile women, obviously). Fertile means young (and beautiful - youth is associated with beauty).

Women are biologically 'programmed' to select the man (from those who are interested) with the most superior genes (as nature wants the best genes to surive, so that the human race becomes less imperfect with each generation).

Human mating is far, far more complex than that. It has been since the dawn of sentience. What motivation would two members of the same sex have to form life-long bonds? Non-sentient animals do it too. You may say it's pollution or an evolutionary self-destruct mechanism, but there's no way of knowing if it existed before humans started polluting the earth. It does now, and that's what counts in this context.


Homosexuality is genetic but it's most probably triggered by environmental factors , the trigger probably happens as early as the formation of the fetus in the womb.

And before civilization, there would be no reason why Homosexuality (or the venerability to the trigger which is also ....genetic) would be selected against in humans or in any other species. Female homosexuals in most species would keep procreating because their homosexuality would not probably prevent the horny alpha male to hump on them ,therefore keeping the trait alive.

Also homosexuality is used as an social alliance tool in primates (ie.Bonobos) , it also serves to decrease stress and conflicts between individuals , resulting to increase the reproduction chances for the whole society (<---an advantage!!).

As for the modern humans, homosexuals often reproduced in the past and will keep reproducing in the future , it's not uncommon for homosexual men and women to get into heterosexual relationships in order to have children while having homosexual relationships on the side. Homosexuality doesn't prevent reproduction , especially among the modern humans.



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18 Apr 2011, 12:38 pm

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- I'm not just blaming women for being obese. I'm blaming everyone. That research (which is just one opinion) is drivel. People can choose HOW they respond to their environment. Of course there's more junk food today, but you don't have to eat it. And even if you have a sedentary job you can still hit the gym. Pretty much everyone I know who's obese only has themselves to blame. I was overweight once (though not severely), and it was my fault for overeating and not burning enough calories. I can't blame KFC or the chair I sat on in the office. I'm sorry if you (or someone close to you) has a weight problem. I'm not trying to be cruel, but I can't say something that I don't believe is true.


I don't have a weight problem, and neither does anyone close to me. It is *you* who is making the discussion about your personal experiences (see above), and I who is quoting research---remember that before starting the ad hominem speculations. I base my opinion on the research I have read, not on personal BS. You can CALL it drivel, but recognize that without peer-reviewed research to back YOU up, your opinion that it is drivel will be filed in the junk drawer with so many other opinions that are like a**holes. If you've got a well-designed study that concludes that obesity is primarily caused by laziness and gluttony, then please post it. I'm all ears (eyes?).

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There isn't all that much variation. Very, very, few men would prefer an overweight woman. Settle for, maybe, but not prefer. In fairness, you make a valid point re. intelligence. Intelligence is something that the human race has developed since primitive times, so that is an additional factor in sizing up a potential mate. Intelligent people of both sexes don't generally marry dumb people. So, yes, an intelligent man will consider a woman's intelligence IN ADDITION TO (but not instead of) more primitive desires.


Speak for yourself. You are assuming that all one wants out of a relationship is a quick roll in the hay. If you have to spend more than a few minutes with someone, it doesn't matter HOW "primitively attractive" they are, if they're dumb as a box of rocks, who with more than two brain cells to rub together wants to spend time with them??? As far as preferring overweight women, ever hear of "chubby chasers"? There's even a term for men who PREFER (not settle for, but prefer) overweight women. I'm not overweight, so I haven't dated any, but I know they exist. I had a friend in college who was overweight and she had no shortage of dates...

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18 Apr 2011, 12:55 pm

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- I'm not just blaming women for being obese. I'm blaming everyone. That research (which is just one opinion) is drivel. People can choose HOW they respond to their environment. Of course there's more junk food today, but you don't have to eat it. And even if you have a sedentary job you can still hit the gym. Pretty much everyone I know who's obese only has themselves to blame. I was overweight once (though not severely), and it was my fault for overeating and not burning enough calories. I can't blame KFC or the chair I sat on in the office. I'm sorry if you (or someone close to you) has a weight problem. I'm not trying to be cruel, but I can't say something that I don't believe is true.


I don't have a weight problem, and neither does anyone close to me. It is *you* who is making the discussion about your personal experiences (see above), and I who is quoting research---remember that before starting the ad hominem speculations. I base my opinion on the research I have read, not on personal BS. You can CALL it drivel, but recognize that without peer-reviewed research to back YOU up, your opinion that it is drivel will be filed in the junk drawer with so many other opinions that are like a**holes. If you've got a well-designed study that concludes that obesity is primarily caused by laziness and gluttony, then please post it. I'm all ears (eyes?).

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There isn't all that much variation. Very, very, few men would prefer an overweight woman. Settle for, maybe, but not prefer. In fairness, you make a valid point re. intelligence. Intelligence is something that the human race has developed since primitive times, so that is an additional factor in sizing up a potential mate. Intelligent people of both sexes don't generally marry dumb people. So, yes, an intelligent man will consider a woman's intelligence IN ADDITION TO (but not instead of) more primitive desires.


Speak for yourself. You are assuming that all one wants out of a relationship is a quick roll in the hay. If you have to spend more than a few minutes with someone, it doesn't matter HOW "primitively attractive" they are, if they're dumb as a box of rocks, who with more than two brain cells to rub together wants to spend time with them??? As far as preferring overweight women, ever hear of "chubby chasers"? There's even a term for men who PREFER (not settle for, but prefer) overweight women. I'm not overweight, so I haven't dated any, but I know they exist. I had a friend in college who was overweight and she had no shortage of dates...

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You're selectively quoting one study. You could find a single study on the internet that would claim just about anything. It's pretty lame to suggest that you've won the argument because you've come up with this one study. Anyone with common sense would acknowledge that the vast majority of obese people only have themselves to blame.

If you really want a respected reference, fine, how about the UK National Health Service. Their official opinion is that obesity is primarily caused by poor diet and lifestyle CHOICES:

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Obesity/Pages/Causes.aspx

I said that intelligent people DON'T marry dumb people. You're criticizing me for something I DIDN'T say. And chubby chasers - oh please. A tiny number of men with a fetish.



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18 Apr 2011, 1:32 pm

I feel that these are all BS. Both men and women discriminate to an extent, as they all have different preferences, regardless of whether they have AS or not. I've met girls with AS who are waaay pickier than most NT girls I know. >.<

And all this "fat hate" can go die in a fire now, kay? Did you ever consider how expensive healthy foods are in comparison to junk foods? For some people it's either eat junk food or not at all. I would eat more fruits and veggies if I had a bigger freezer to store them in. I gained a lot of weight due to antidepressants and the crappy food available at my college. I got off the antidepressants, ate smaller portions of what's served at school and exercised and lost 30 pounds since August. So I'm taking responsibility for my condition but not everyone is in the position to do that. Some people can't get off their medication or afford the healthy food or have the time to exercise as they work several jobs to feed the rest of their families or pay rent. People need to realize that every situation is different and making general statements like that isn't helping anyone.



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18 Apr 2011, 1:41 pm

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Anyone with common sense would acknowledge that the vast majority of obese people only have themselves to blame.


Only one with a narrow sense would acknowledge a such oversimplified reason for obesity.

As I said before, the obesity problem is far more complicated than just people being lazy or "people not taking much care of themselves". There are so many genetic, modern trends ,health, lifestyle, societal and economical factors contributing the phenomenal increase of obesity. Obese people are, for the most part, victims of those factors rather than guilty , no one wishes to be obese (except Sumo warriors perhaps), including obese people themselves.



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18 Apr 2011, 1:49 pm

Deary me some of you are talking absolute bollocks on this thread some seriously full of shite claims on here by people who clearly know sweet FA about evolutionary science


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18 Apr 2011, 2:12 pm

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Deary me some of you are talking absolute bollocks on this thread some seriously full of shite claims on here by people who clearly know sweet FA about evolutionary science


laz, when you want to make personal attacks you need to be more specific because we can assume that you are attacking everyone here. Name the "some" , do not just use some and some , name them and quote them and try to prove why they're talking bullocks.



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18 Apr 2011, 3:13 pm

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Did you ever consider how expensive healthy foods are in comparison to junk foods? For some people it's either eat junk food or not at all. I would eat more fruits and veggies if I had a bigger freezer to store them in. I gained a lot of weight due to antidepressants and the crappy food available at my college.


I know, right? Buying a banana would cost you more then a bar of chocolate, but that's because in order to develop fruit compared to junk food, it takes longer and Fruit is often exported from hotter climates rather then things like meat (with fat on them) being raised and slaughtered from within the country.

Then there are taxes which kill potential of people eating...if you bought healthy food and junk food seperately at the same price, you can easily get about triple the amount of crap food vs the good food.


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18 Apr 2011, 3:18 pm

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Did you ever consider how expensive healthy foods are in comparison to junk foods? For some people it's either eat junk food or not at all. I would eat more fruits and veggies if I had a bigger freezer to store them in. I gained a lot of weight due to antidepressants and the crappy food available at my college.


I know, right? Buying a banana would cost you more then a bar of chocolate, but that's because in order to develop fruit compared to junk food, it takes longer and Fruit is often exported from hotter climates rather then things like meat (with fat on them) being raised and slaughtered from within the country.

Then there are taxes which kill potential of people eating...if you bought healthy food and junk food seperately at the same price, you can easily get about triple the amount of crap food vs the good food.


It's true. I buy healthy food and then it's gone twice as fast since there isn't as much there so I'd have to go to the grocery store again. Considering that I don't have a job, I pretty much have to eat at my wallet's discretion. D:



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18 Apr 2011, 3:25 pm

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It's true. I buy healthy food and then it's gone twice as fast since there isn't as much there so I'd have to go to the grocery store again. Considering that I don't have a job, I pretty much have to eat at my wallet's discretion. D:


My suggestion is to eat little and often...even sucking on a sweet (although sugary...will provide lasting energy) to trick your brain into thinking it's a meal...

Also be aware when you eat...focus on the flavour and texture...and chew things slowly and many times...

These are a few tips to starve of cravings.


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18 Apr 2011, 3:26 pm

Starlight-Supernova wrote:
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Did you ever consider how expensive healthy foods are in comparison to junk foods? For some people it's either eat junk food or not at all. I would eat more fruits and veggies if I had a bigger freezer to store them in. I gained a lot of weight due to antidepressants and the crappy food available at my college.


I know, right? Buying a banana would cost you more then a bar of chocolate, but that's because in order to develop fruit compared to junk food, it takes longer and Fruit is often exported from hotter climates rather then things like meat (with fat on them) being raised and slaughtered from within the country.

Then there are taxes which kill potential of people eating...if you bought healthy food and junk food seperately at the same price, you can easily get about triple the amount of crap food vs the good food.


Really? I can get about a kilo of broccoli for the price of a 100g bar of chocolate, and there's no contest as to which is better for me.

Kilo bag of organic oats, probably costs about the same as a kilo of oven chips... the oats are more nutritious so you have to eat less.

Maybe things are very different in the states.

I think one of the reasons people get obese is that they eat lots of low nutrient food, when really you want to eat small quantities of good quality food.


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18 Apr 2011, 3:28 pm

[quote="Erisad"]I feel that these are all BS. Both men and women discriminate to an extent, as they all have different preferences, regardless of whether they have AS or not. I've met girls with AS who are waaay pickier than most NT girls I know. >.<

I agree the whole debate on who has is harder AS men or AS women is irelevant it doesnt madder what your gender is the fact is its not easy living with AS because of the challenges you face in life having AS



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18 Apr 2011, 3:38 pm

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Really? I can get about a kilo of broccoli for the price of a 100g bar of chocolate, and there's no contest as to which is better for me.

Kilo bag of organic oats, probably costs about the same as a kilo of oven chips... the oats are more nutritious so you have to eat less.

Maybe things are very different in the states.

I think one of the reasons people get obese is that they eat lots of low nutrient food, when really you want to eat small quantities of good quality food.


Yeah, probably as the States probably have no tax on food or maybe they provide more to the masses...but over here everthing is taxed...even if you were inherited money the Taxman can take half from you!?!

Needless to say my family try to eat healthy whenever and whereever they can...but cheapo food (microwaved and tinned) that have unhealthy amounts are down to how they were produced...which is pretty wrong really but that's the way it is here.

I agree there...since eating a large amount can still lead to obesety even on the right food....you also have to be careful with foods that are rich in Vitamin A (for those who don't know, you can die from overdosing on that).


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18 Apr 2011, 4:02 pm

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And please don't call me a troll because I disagree with you. Otherwise I might think you're just resorting to name calling because you've ran out of intelligent arguments. :wink:


:roll: Grow up.



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18 Apr 2011, 4:16 pm

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And please don't call me a troll because I disagree with you. Otherwise I might think you're just resorting to name calling because you've ran out of intelligent arguments. :wink:


:roll: Grow up.


1 - I was half-joking, hence the wink smilie.

2 - The comment wasn't directed at you, and the person who it was directed to has already responded; so none of your business basically.

3 - It wouldn't be very difficult to find some pretty lame things you've said on WP, and add some (not so) clever comment. However, I won't because I AM a grown up.



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18 Apr 2011, 4:19 pm

Another_Alien wrote:
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And please don't call me a troll because I disagree with you. Otherwise I might think you're just resorting to name calling because you've ran out of intelligent arguments. :wink:


:roll: Grow up.


1 - I was half-joking, hence the wink smilie.

2 - The comment wasn't directed at you, and the person who it was directed to has already responded; so none of your business basically.

3 - It wouldn't be very difficult to find some pretty lame things you've said on WP, and add some (not so) clever comment. However, I won't because I AM a grown up.


If it's none of my business, say it through PM. I'm not saying I don't say idiot things, I do. Picking at someone's intelligence is immature.