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10 Dec 2011, 6:42 pm

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Thats like saying girls are supposed to be pretty and extroverts so low key girls that dont arent good-looking enough are invisible to males(which is what some of them claim and isnt true either).


Actually, that is kind of true, at least in my experience, especially in your teens and early 20s.

Just saying...

Sorry misread the poster i was quoting and I thought he was implying that women rejected every nice guy which can be proven false by considering there are nice guys with partners.
Same logic could be applied to the generalization I provided(there are low key girls with partners).

If we arent generalizing then yes being nice isnt a priority on most girls list and apparently one of the most common mistakes guys make is assume that every girl that treats them nice likes them.

As for the low key thing Ive been reading about a few of this females that claim to be invisible to males and after the third time they write about turning a guy down for not being cute/handsome enough/not having social skills...without giving them a chance they lose all their credibility and sadly this happens to often.

I know that I could have come across the few ones that are only looking for an excuse to remain single that makes them look like a victim while they turn down guys that arent good enough for them but it does make you wonder about the number of girls doing it and if its something like the "nice guy" being rejected by females(read the ones that are most likely way out of their league) every time.


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10 Dec 2011, 7:01 pm

spongy wrote:
Sorry misread the poster i was quoting and I thought he was implying that women rejected every nice guy which can be proven false by considering there are nice guys with partners.
Same logic could be applied to the generalization I provided(there are low key girls with partners).

If we arent generalizing then yes being nice isnt a priority on most girls list and apparently one of the most common mistakes guys make is assume that every girl that treats them nice likes them.

As for the low key thing Ive been reading about a few of this females that claim to be invisible to males and after the third time they write about turning a guy down for not being cute/handsome enough/not having social skills...without giving them a chance they lose all their credibility and sadly this happens to oftenly.


Oh yes, definitely. It can't be applied to all the cases. And I think it's bad to make any of this into a "rule". There are no rules in dating.

I am one of the shy, plain girls and I'm usually invisible to males. I swear: they act as if I'm not even there. But I've still managed to meet guys and date and I am married so it's not that shy, plain girls can't find a man who is attracted to them.



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10 Dec 2011, 7:07 pm

deconstruction wrote:
spongy wrote:
Sorry misread the poster i was quoting and I thought he was implying that women rejected every nice guy which can be proven false by considering there are nice guys with partners.
Same logic could be applied to the generalization I provided(there are low key girls with partners).

If we arent generalizing then yes being nice isnt a priority on most girls list and apparently one of the most common mistakes guys make is assume that every girl that treats them nice likes them.

As for the low key thing Ive been reading about a few of this females that claim to be invisible to males and after the third time they write about turning a guy down for not being cute/handsome enough/not having social skills...without giving them a chance they lose all their credibility and sadly this happens to oftenly.


Oh yes, definitely. It can't be applied to all the cases. And I think it's bad to make any of this into a "rule". There are no rules in dating.

I am one of the shy, plain girls and I'm usually invisible to males. I swear: they act as if I'm not even there. But I've still managed to meet guys and date and I am married so it's not that shy, plain girls can't find a man who is attracted to them.

Just so we are clear Im not questioning your assessment, Ive seen you around the boards several times and you do seem to be that way. However I felt the need to point out that there are people out there that lie about being a nice guy/invisible to males.


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10 Dec 2011, 7:16 pm

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Just so we are clear Im not questioning your assessment, Ive seen you around the boards several times and you do seem to be that way. However I felt the need to point out that there are people out there that lie about being a nice guy/invisible to males.


It's ok, no need to explain yourself.

I think the problem is that certain people (both males and females) have only specific "type" they're interested in. And I don't even think on the physical type. More the type within the social hierarchy. So they want this type to be interested in them, and for some reason that doesn't happen, even if others might be interested. This makes these people say they are invisible.

Another possible problem is that shy people are often so low key they don't make people notice them. It doesn't always mean potential partners reject them. Plus, being shy is sometimes mistaken for "minding their own business/not interested". Many guys tend to approach girls who seem approachable and friendly, and shy girls might seem like they aren't interested/want to be left alone, so guys don't try. On the other hand, many girls don't approach guys at all, and shy guys are less likely to approach. This is another reason why shy people might have a feeling they are ignored, and not because nobody likes them.



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10 Dec 2011, 7:29 pm

A genuine 'nice guy' will not put pressure on his partner in any shape or form. He will support them mentally through any of lifes hardships, and can expect the same back without demanding it. They never use their niceness as a weapon, especially passive-agressively. Normally means a degree of intimacy as well, and I'm not just talking about ye olde root-te-toot.
Thing is, most guys like this are taken.


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10 Dec 2011, 8:30 pm

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A genuine 'nice guy' will not put pressure on his partner in any shape or form. He will support them mentally through any of lifes hardships, and can expect the same back without demanding it. They never use their niceness as a weapon, especially passive-agressively. Normally means a degree of intimacy as well, and I'm not just talking about ye olde root-te-toot.
Thing is, most guys like this are taken.

I may be like that & I'm not taken but I WISH I was :wink:


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10 Dec 2011, 8:35 pm

monkees4va wrote:
A genuine 'nice guy' will not put pressure on his partner in any shape or form. He will support them mentally through any of lifes hardships, and can expect the same back without demanding it. They never use their niceness as a weapon, especially passive-agressively. Normally means a degree of intimacy as well, and I'm not just talking about ye olde root-te-toot.
Thing is, most guys like this are taken.


or they are so unwanted that they stop being nice to people.



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10 Dec 2011, 8:37 pm

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or they are so unwanted that they stop being nice to people.


I don't think nice guys are unwanted.



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11 Dec 2011, 12:31 am

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Look, if you dont want a nice guy just say so,, but I think you just called all us aspie males weak,,,,,,,, and hinted that there is no such thing as a nice guy, you dont deserve a nice guy, do you prefer the type I saw a lot in small towns who beat their women regularly,,,,,,,, WEAK, you only think they are weak,,,,, but to live by the nice guy creed takes STRENGTH, and lots of it, and for an aspie that means 100 times as much effort, you should have sympathy if you are an aspie, I think you have issues underlying your comments, by the way, if you were referring to the NT pretty boys only, then I'm with you half way.................................. You might not know it, but women have a power over men, that men can never achieve over a woman.... unless he uses his brute strength..... oh, but what would I know, I'm weak...... you wanna put some money on an arm-wrestle with me..... I'm stronger than you imagine.


... huh?



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11 Dec 2011, 1:37 am

I think this "nice guy vs bad boy" discussions need to stop. They are way overplayed

These are both very such a terrible stereotype.

Nice Guy: Steve Carell from 40 yr old V
Bad Boy: whatshisname drummer from Motley Crue

Thats what I think of when I think of those. But in real life its not that simple.



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11 Dec 2011, 1:38 am

So my question, are girls more attracted to a "nice guy", or like...Clint Eastwood or Gregory Peck?
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So 2 extremes, what would you rather have, girls?



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11 Dec 2011, 1:51 am

1000 knives> your right those are two complete extremes.

How many Charlize Theron's and Scarlett Johansson's are there to every Rosie O'donnell?



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11 Dec 2011, 3:35 am

lightening020 wrote:
I think this "nice guy vs bad boy" discussions need to stop. They are way overplayed

These are both very such a terrible stereotype.

Nice Guy: Steve Carell from 40 yr old V
Bad Boy: whatshisname drummer from Motley Crue

Thats what I think of when I think of those. But in real life its not that simple.

The drummer from Motley Crue & the rest of the band members had more women than they could count but the 40year-old virgin had lots of problems with women. I've been comapred to him by a few of my coworkers; they even suggested that I try & find women a little older who had kids like Steve's character did 8O


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11 Dec 2011, 4:04 am

nick007 wrote:
lightening020 wrote:
I think this "nice guy vs bad boy" discussions need to stop. They are way overplayed

These are both very such a terrible stereotype.

Nice Guy: Steve Carell from 40 yr old V
Bad Boy: whatshisname drummer from Motley Crue

Thats what I think of when I think of those. But in real life its not that simple.

The drummer from Motley Crue & the rest of the band members had more women than they could count but the 40year-old virgin had lots of problems with women. I've been comapred to him by a few of my coworkers; they even suggested that I try & find women a little older who had kids like Steve's character did 8O


Why ever settle? I just don't understand. And why an older women with kids? Why should you have to be responsible for someone else's kids? So your not "lonely" anymore, but now you have to worry and deal with something completely different



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11 Dec 2011, 4:59 am

deconstruction wrote:
I am one of the shy, plain girls and I'm usually invisible to males. I swear: they act as if I'm not even there. But I've still managed to meet guys and date and I am married so it's not that shy, plain girls can't find a man who is attracted to them.


I could have written that word for word ^

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I think the problem is that certain people (both males and females) have only specific "type" they're interested in. And I don't even think on the physical type. More the type within the social hierarchy. So they want this type to be interested in them, and for some reason that doesn't happen, even if others might be interested. This makes these people say they are invisible.


I think this could also be a major problem, if your specifically after a slim, blonde girl who is really into video games, warhammer and movies (sorry top of my head idea) then you may miss that slightly chubby brunette who loves movies but isn't so keen on the rest but she would happily engage in them with you and may even come to like them.

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A genuine 'nice guy' will not put pressure on his partner in any shape or form. He will support them mentally through any of lifes hardships, and can expect the same back without demanding it. They never use their niceness as a weapon, especially passive-agressively. Normally means a degree of intimacy as well, and I'm not just talking about ye olde root-te-toot.
Thing is, most guys like this are taken.


This is what I should have said and what I meant when I said someone who treats me right, that is what I consider a mr nice guy.


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1000 knives> your right those are two complete extremes.

How many Charlize Theron's and Scarlett Johansson's are there to every Rosie O'donnell?


Exactly! I think too much emphasis is put on physical appearance, now an honest question for the guys. You have two women to pick from one looks like Scarlett Johansson but you have nothing in common with her, the Rosie O'donnell look-a-like is passionately into all the things you are, which one would you go for?


*Disclaimer* I'm not saying there wouldn't be a Scarlett who you have alot in common with or a Rosie you don't I'm just making a point about physical appearance.

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The drummer from Motley Crue & the rest of the band members had more women than they could count but the 40year-old virgin had lots of problems with women. I've been comapred to him by a few of my coworkers; they even suggested that I try & find women a little older who had kids like Steve's character did 8O


The thing with the women they have had is that they were probably all groupies who idolised them, you can take any man make him famous and there will be a gaggle of women desperate to sleep with him, but are those the kind of women you'd really want to be with? How many band members actually end up in a relationship / marriage with a groupie / fan? It's all about sex and not about finding a partner to share your life with.

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Why ever settle? I just don't understand. And why an older women with kids? Why should you have to be responsible for someone else's kids? So your not "lonely" anymore, but now you have to worry and deal with something completely different


Good point, nobody should just settle because you will never be happy that way and that is not fair on yourself or your partner. At the same time I dont think it's right to cast aside a woman because she's older then you or has children. One of the mum's at my daughter's school recently divorced her husband after he cheated yet again. She's only 28 and has 2 kids, she's currently dating a 21year old from her college course.

Dating is not black & white, you shouldn't focus on finding a specific type of person or completely disregard a specific type of person because you never know where love may be lurking.



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11 Dec 2011, 7:22 am

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3 and 5 are odd numbers! :lol: