Females: do you consider yourself physically attractive?

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Yep....I was surprised when Germaine Greer said that as far as she could tell, men usually don't like makeup on a woman. To me, women's faces are always nicer without it, and it can spoil kissing if it's smeary stuff. I love Gothic makeup though, but I see that as childlike fun, dressing up as monsters and all that.

Sometimes I really wish I'd never read about the "Naughty Theory Of Lipstick" :

http://books.google.ca/books?id=apIFfGl3h1gC
(just search inside the book for "lipstick" and you'll see.....also quite a good free read about strange Earthling social practices in general)

Mum wore a bit of lippy now and then, but the idea of of public sexual display disgusted her, and such knowledge would have knocked her for a six.

I'm lucky to be in a largely makeup-free environment........at work the women are mostly postgraduate scientists, and my social circles are nonconformist and left wing.........there is more sexual display than there used to be, but makeup for some reason hasn't caught on.

I don't know why but I associate Gothic with youth. Maybe the black is more attractive for younger woman perhaps? That isn't to say that older woman can't pull it off too.

I see, I wouldn't know really, but I feel that older woman rely on make up far more then they should, but for some I see a drastic difference in looking "plain" to "okay".

That's not to say I think woman with it will look better, but for some, they definitely come to a point where they use it so much that you find the non make up side of them as less appealing.

I've been told I'm too beautiful for a quiet nerdy girl, but only when I dress in good clothes with a little bit of eyeliner. Other than that, I like staying at home wearing my PJ's because I feel more comfortable in them, which disappoints my mom because I don't look attractive at home.
I ask myself "What's the point? I'm in my own house and I can wear whatever I want,"

I consider myself average but I've been told prettier than average, but I just don't see it much.

This.

I think I'm ugly. I probably suffer from a minor case of body dysmorphia. So I'm always trying to improve my looks. It's easier than improving my weird personality. There is not much I can do about that.

As for make up, it's kind of same with men's facial hair. I don't get why they have it. Maybe it's because they think they look better with it or they feel naked without it, I don't know. I think most cases it looks better without it but if I like the person I don't mind it and certainly am not gonna tell him to shave it off.

I don't really get why so much of this thread is dedicated to makeup, physique, and other things you do to tend your appearance. I can walk out with my hair combed, no makeup on and just be very confident about it, and people don't give me a hard time.

I just dress up for fun, but then I tend to feel overdressed even wearing very little makeup and with my hair straightened. Then people seem intimidated, and I feel less confident.

I agree with this. Also when the girls here say that without makeup they arent treated as nicely. Guess what, thats how men are treated 90% of the time. And instead of having other women ridicule us for not having makeup if we do wear makeup we'll have other men make fun of us looking gay.

I think a part of the negativity here towards make-up comes from the low quality of cheap department store brands. I can see Cover Girl being called "goop" I guess, though it's kind of a crass and pedantic way to describe it. Go up into a higher price range though, and you'd be hard-pressed to still call it caked-on goop that needs to be taken off at night with a shovel. The "bare faced" photos of celebrities you see around aren't bare faced. Quality make-up (slash properly colour-matched make-up) just doesn't look like a separate layer sitting on top of your skin.

eh.
I'm not exactly what I would call pretty. I don't really feel guilty about it, it's not my goal to impress anyone.

Speaking as a male, I'd say that feeling ugly is common enough in women, actually being ugly is much less common and a lot of it is in behaviour anyway. Signals are everything. I'd try to work on personality as well as looks if I were you.


It grows all by itself......the "makeup wearers" are the ones who shave it off. But a beard can make the chin look bigger, signalling the "strong man" thing. Clean-shaven men and their partners benefit from a tactile advantage during physical intimacy, if they go for that. I used to have a tash which I grew for a girlfriend just because she liked them, but it started making me look like a walrus so I got rid of it. To me it's like trying on funny hats.

the facial hair is a good point to bring up. It can be used to hide things, draw attention away, or change the appearance of age. For me, it makes me look closer to my actual age to trim it at a bit past 5oclock shadow. Otherwise i look like i still belong in middle school

Also designer stubble can begin to look plain scruffy on an older man.

I work with some gals here that must be trying to hide acne or something because they put on so much (foundation, is it?) it just looks all wrong - it's plainly obvious (even to an unobservant Aspie!) that it's thick, thick makeup.

I, personally, don't care for that look. Purely personal preference. But a little lipstick or something can look quite nice too... really, it depends on the person, the colour, the situation...

My skin's not great, I don't get acne like I used to as a teen, but it isn't even. The cakey cheap stuff looks bad, doesn't actually cover up acne very well (it looks like acne with something on top of it rather than just looking like it's not there) and perpetuates your bad skin. The stuff I use now is lighter, blends in better, reflects light better, doesn't total your skin at the end of the day, all that. If men knew how sciency this stuff is, they probably wouldn't hate on it so hard.

I'm also iron deficient anaemic, so a little liquid blush is pretty vital in making me look like I even have a pulse.

More or less and sometimes I feel pretty attractive and other times maybe not so much, It just depends.

I'm a tourist in Rome today and when I was walking around the ruins I noticed that there were lots of young girls from all over the world in tank-tops with nice smooth skin and pretty breasts, and lots of smooth legs sticking out of pants the size of boxer shorts. That got me thinking that women's clothes seemed to be designed to reveal almost too much. Do women get this impression too? It's bad to show nipples and the vagina and you don't usually show your belly button unless you really want to look sexy, so these clothes seem to be the most revealing possible while still being socially acceptable.

Somebody posted something about beards and I usually cut mine fairly short with scissors every couple of weeks. I don't believe that anyone should be ashamed of or have to alter anything that comes naturally, and this includes all bodily functions and emotions (although sometimes it might be good to practice emotional restraint). I don't believe that you should have to try to avoid farting or burping and so I generally don't bother doing this unless I'm around a pretty girl I want to impress. The only reason I shave my beard is because my girlfriend told me that she doesn't like it, and I saw a picture of myself with a large beard recently and I thought I looked somewhere between a hobo and a thug, so I have decided to continue cutting it even if that particular girl's opinion at some point is no longer as important to me.