Figuring out a girl I've met recently

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27 Sep 2012, 2:36 pm

I'm confused as to how you can text her w/o her number.

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and I also fear I am on the verge of actually falling in love with her (...)


NO NO NO NO NO

That is not love, that is idolization. Your feelings are almost purely based on her (possible) attraction to you. If you took any random hottie out there and she started flirting with you, you'd probably feel the same thing. Similarly, if you had 5-10 different women chasing after you, this woman probably wouldn't be much more than an afterthought. Basically, you're mistaking desperation & scarcity for love.



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27 Sep 2012, 2:57 pm

Whatever it is, I don't wanna let this happen. Always thought it felt like this, but I guess you're right, what do I know? I just feel attracted to her because we do have alot in common interest-wise. But how will I know the difference between that feeling of desperation and falling in love? I mean, I am not in the fortunate situation to have all those women chasing after me. Man, feelings suck, and I feel like a little kid stuck in the body of a 26 year old guy.

As for the texting, I maybe was using a the term in a misleading context, since she DOES use her iPhone, but I use my laptop, and I am still sending her E-mail.



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27 Sep 2012, 5:47 pm

Palindrome5 wrote:
That is not love, that is idolization. Your feelings are almost purely based on her (possible) attraction to you. If you took any random hottie out there and she started flirting with you, you'd probably feel the same thing. Similarly, if you had 5-10 different women chasing after you, this woman probably wouldn't be much more than an afterthought. Basically, you're mistaking desperation & scarcity for love.


I go through this a lot, so I know how it feels.



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27 Sep 2012, 6:05 pm

Palindrome5 wrote:
I'm confused as to how you can text her w/o her number.

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and I also fear I am on the verge of actually falling in love with her (...)


NO NO NO NO NO

That is not love, that is idolization. Your feelings are almost purely based on her (possible) attraction to you. If you took any random hottie out there and she started flirting with you, you'd probably feel the same thing. Similarly, if you had 5-10 different women chasing after you, this woman probably wouldn't be much more than an afterthought. Basically, you're mistaking desperation & scarcity for love.


I agree with this one. Get to know her on a personal level. Ask her out just for casual date like coffee like it was intended a good while ago and talk about each other (though don't dig too deep!). You don't have to propose to the woman just take her on a date to figure out if your feelings will develop or not or to figure out what you want to do at least.



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28 Sep 2012, 3:11 am

Thanks again for the support, I just needed a little time to arrange my thoughts and feelings (sleeping helps, and I have been sleeping very, very badly in the last weeks - insomnia sucks -, and all this emotional crap got me worked up really bad and didn't exactly contribute to my ability to sleep), and I have settled down a little bit, also thanks to your support. We have been writing E-mails back and forth yesterday quite vividly, and about some really personal stuff, and I am at least sure that she is truly interested in me as a person and not just about academic gain (and it is a huge, HUGE relief to know that for the first time in my life, I have apparently judged a woman's intentions at least partially correct). After discussing our fathers (we both have been raised by a single mother and do not have a good relationship to our dads), where I said that I am at least a little proud that I have become an almost decent human being without the help of a father, she replied the following:

"You are a really great person, not just almost decent, truly great. You can be proud of yourself. I think we should discuss the relationship to our fathers when we meet over coffee, but only if you like. We will see about that
I am just so happy that I wrote you that message on those forums (that is, if you remember, how we got to know each other) and we get along with each other so well. I think we will really be able to push each other next term (I suggested that we should defenitely do our learning together) and take on any obstacle together.
We are just plain awesome^^."

Without wanting be be the overanalyzer again (I take it for what it is, a compliment and realization that the happy feeling of having met the other is mutual), is this message more a "you are such a great friend"-type of message, or something else? Any input is appreciated.



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28 Sep 2012, 5:39 am

You're getting your *** friendzoned into oblivion. As I've said 8905438970209 times, you must make it clear you have a romantic interest in her. And even if she says no, she's so connected with you that she'll genuinely want to remain close friends anyway. The notion that you have nothing to lose couldn't ring more true in this situation.



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28 Sep 2012, 5:49 am

Many thanks, I guess I already figured. I think I will do that today... it's friday, so she might be more available, and I will try and make my intentions clear that I want to get to her not not just as a friend. I'll post how it went.



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28 Sep 2012, 6:39 am

Change of plans: I have am meeting up with two other women from college that asked me to help them (and I'll make sure not to spend too much time discussing college stuff). I'll make myself scarce around my new "best friend"... I am not into playing games, but I think I'll need to show her that I am not her doormatt, and I am not always there for here... I'm not going to run after her, and she doesn't want to meet with me... her loss. (Only thing I regret atm is the fact that I was too blind to use my chance to discuss sex with her... after skimming through the mails again to see where I went wrong, she told me explicitely why she enjoyed "Fifty Shades of Grey", because it dealt with rather exotic and "naughty" sexual practices... and I did not react to that, AT ALL... damn me, that would have been a good moment to show her that I am, after all, a man with male desires, right?)



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28 Sep 2012, 9:23 am

I thought you were going to write her an e-mail asking her number so that you can set up the coffee date.



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28 Sep 2012, 9:30 am

starryeyed you are afraid to go ahead with it and these things you are saying are your way of dealing with and rationalizing your lack of courage.

I got news for you - don't think moving on to different girls will make it any easier. You're going to make the exact same excuses to yourself, retreat back into your shell with those girls and make it out like they are the problem when in fact it is you putting them on a pedestal and fearing them, retreating to your monologues yet at the same time wanting attention drawn to those monologues. You are going to fail with the new girls as well. You will likely end up being seen as the "gay best friend" or you will date a girl you don't like because it was easier for you to muster the courage and you will feel worse for it, getting all the wrong ideas about how all relationships are.

My criticism here is not without foundations. My friend was like this for a very very very long time, and I was always the one that had to listen to his self absorbed monologues, for hours at a time.
You don't really want to be that guy, and I hope you find the courage (or a large bucket of water) to help you get a grip and make the move you desperately need to. That girl wants you and there's still time left. Go for it.



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28 Sep 2012, 9:34 am

Palindrome5 wrote:
You're getting your *** friendzoned into oblivion.


No, you're wrong here. He's friendzoning himself into oblivion, and giving her all the hints that he shouldn't be interested in him. If she writes in a text "I FANCY YOU - DO YOU FEEL THE SAME?", he'll probably still equivocate. This equivocation is killing her attraction to you.

This woman wants you and you're pushing her away by not being able to ask a basic question. If you can't do that, what can you do?

Are you afraid she'll say "YES!" or something? You're telling her that you're a failure, that you're not someone she wants to have around. Is that the image you want to present?

The next guy she asks won't be a self-hating child and will take her up on her offer immediately. And then how will you feel?



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28 Sep 2012, 9:39 am

starryeyedvoyager wrote:
Change of plans: I have am meeting up with two other women from college that asked me to help them (and I'll make sure not to spend too much time discussing college stuff). I'll make myself scarce around my new "best friend"... I am not into playing games, but I think I'll need to show her that I am not her doormatt, and I am not always there for here... I'm not going to run after her, and she doesn't want to meet with me... her loss. (Only thing I regret atm is the fact that I was too blind to use my chance to discuss sex with her... after skimming through the mails again to see where I went wrong, she told me explicitely why she enjoyed "Fifty Shades of Grey", because it dealt with rather exotic and "naughty" sexual practices... and I did not react to that, AT ALL... damn me, that would have been a good moment to show her that I am, after all, a man with male desires, right?)


I almost feel like asking you for her number so that I can ask her on your behalf. Christ, you're such a child.



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28 Sep 2012, 10:36 am

Tequila wrote:
Palindrome5 wrote:
You're getting your *** friendzoned into oblivion.


No, you're wrong here. He's friendzoning himself into oblivion, and giving her all the hints that he shouldn't be interested in him. If she writes in a text "I FANCY YOU - DO YOU FEEL THE SAME?", he'll probably still equivocate. This equivocation is killing her attraction to you.

This woman wants you and you're pushing her away by not being able to ask a basic question. If you can't do that, what can you do?

Are you afraid she'll say "YES!" or something? You're telling her that you're a failure, that you're not someone she wants to have around. Is that the image you want to present?

The next guy she asks won't be a self-hating child and will take her up on her offer immediately. And then how will you feel?


As for the child part: Yes, you are absolutely right, I am, emotionally, nothing more than a 10 year old. Self-hating... not so much, I do have low self-esteem when it comes to women, though, I admit that (and it is pretty obvious). I have realized that I have brought myself into this situation, and it is probably too late to get back out again, but I feel no grief about it. This is the first time for me that I did something like that, and thanks to everyone here, I've learned so much about what I am doing wrong, because people took the time to point it out to me. I have learned more about how to deal with affection and feelings and all that in these two weeks I am posting here than in all my life combined before. I can now go through the events and find out what I did wrong, and maybe can improve myself in this regard. Since she is on at least friendly terms with me, I can at least "experiment" (in lieu of a better term, I am not going to toy with her or anything) with how someone who knows me reacts to certain changes in my behaviour.



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28 Sep 2012, 10:48 am

My friend, in short you have done nothing wrong. The problem was you did nothing at all.



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28 Sep 2012, 10:49 am

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starryeyed you are afraid to go ahead with it and these things you are saying are your way of dealing with and rationalizing your lack of courage.

I got news for you - don't think moving on to different girls will make it any easier. You're going to make the exact same excuses to yourself, retreat back into your shell with those girls and make it out like they are the problem when in fact it is you putting them on a pedestal and fearing them, retreating to your monologues yet at the same time wanting attention drawn to those monologues. You are going to fail with the new girls as well. You will likely end up being seen as the "gay best friend" or you will date a girl you don't like because it was easier for you to muster the courage and you will feel worse for it, getting all the wrong ideas about how all relationships are.

My criticism here is not without foundations. My friend was like this for a very very very long time, and I was always the one that had to listen to his self absorbed monologues, for hours at a time.
You don't really want to be that guy, and I hope you find the courage (or a large bucket of water) to help you get a grip and make the move you desperately need to. That girl wants you and there's still time left. Go for it.


Yes, this I realized now, and also thanks to you. You have shown me that it is my fault for idolizing women out of desperation and the longing for a companion, and that this is not the right way. Alas, it is unusual for me to actually try to discuss these problems, and I usually do not burden my (how you put it quite expertly) self absorbed monologues on other people. I just ask you to understand that this is really my first time ever to deal with this kind of emotional storm, and it is something I am unfamiliar with, so please have a little mercy with me. I know that this will not happen again in this fashion, and I certainly will not become a guy drowning in self-pitty. You guys set me straight, and I am really thankful for it. I just wish I could have followed your advices, and maybe it would have led to success... who knows. I am just very slow to process such emotional stress and confusion, and all the advice I got here was just... a bit much at once, and I just need to sort it all out.



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28 Sep 2012, 10:52 am

Likewise, you've been very patient with all the feedback you've received. I'm sure when the time is right you will feel ready, and it will all go as you like. Just remember the first relationship may not always work and that's perfectly fine :) love's never easy but it's very rewarding.

Well done for at least talking about and looking over everything. Good luck in the future.