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28 Jan 2013, 7:55 am

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That's some weird logic there, Ms. Hyperlexian. Those betas and omegas don't exactly get the finest of women. If you want higher tier women, those classes most definitely matter.

ahhh, so that is the point. you think you deserve your pick of women. that explains everything.

I want precisely what I'm worth. However, that becomes a hell of a lot more difficult when you have to turn your personality inside-out in order to conform to the standards of NT women.

what are you worth? and how do you know what you are worth?

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28 Jan 2013, 7:56 am

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The alpha male is getting a bigger part of any pie he wants, from any pie, based on my observations. Lots of women like Hyperlexian try to insist that "not all women" respond to Alpha male characteristics but when the vast majority seem to, what does it really matter? By gunning for those that don't, you've already eliminated the vast majority of young women.

except... that makes no sense. we are not all dating the same men. we all go for different men, which makes the alpha argument nonsense. this imaginary alpha isn't getting that bigger piece of any pie.

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There's a lot of different ways to have that alpha characteristic, without being a carbon-copy clone. Compare someone like Richard Feynman vs Barack Obama vs Ryan Gosling. All completely different types of men, but there's a list of characteristics they all share: General air of confidence, posturing, body language, tone of voice...if you're not aware of this, then perhaps you just can't see it. I've had to spent my whole life studying NTs, perhaps that's why I can.

so... nearly every man is alpha then? or you just want to compete with men that women... aren't even dating? it makes no sense to want to be like someone that has a characteristic that you envy, even though it doesn't mean anything in the dating world... they still don't date any more women than anyone else, their dating prospects are roughly the same as anyone else's, etc.

if "beta"/"omega"/"kappa" men date/marry/have sex too, then.... none of this matters. the proof is in the pudding. if all supposed classes of men can get to where they want to be, then all of the classes are irrelevant.

That because the 1man-1women marriage concept enforces the women, who couldn't get an alpha, to pick from the other classes.

But if a society has no concept of 1-1 committed relationship, I bet women would go only for the hottest and best men. Hmm, even the ancient greeks realized that (amazon women legends).

We can observe that among males in pubs seeking for one night stands, only the hottest of them get most of the one-time sex deals.

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28 Jan 2013, 7:58 am

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I want precisely what I'm worth.

According to NT-standards my partner maybe wont be worth of me.

You know what? I am happy.

Thats the important thing. As long as you focus on making your worth in the eyes of others happy, instead of making yourself happy, you wont be happy.

Maybe your worth will be happy, but what use will you ever had from that, on the day you die?

Edit: A little help for your good appearance in front of women:

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If you want higher tier women, those classes most definitely matter.

KO in the first round! With an incredible punch Shaos has critically hit himself out of the pie round!

I am just kidding, but a person differenting people into tiers....nope.... If you would poop into my face by accidents on our first date, it wouldnt be as worse then this message. ^^

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28 Jan 2013, 7:58 am

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Male 1 (super hot)
Male 2 (above average)
Male 3 (average)
Male 4 (not attractive)

Female 1
Female 2
Female 3
Female 4

All individuals are actively seeking and eager for a relationship.

Let's suppose that every male tried to ask out the four females within a month, the resulted dates would be like:

Male 1 got a date with each of F1,F2,F3,F4: 4
Male 2 got a date with F1: 1
Male 3 got rejected by all: 0
Male 4 got rejected by all: 0

Female 1 accepted a date with each of M1, M2: 2
Female 2 accepted a date with M1: 1
Female 3 accepted a date with M1: 1
Female 4 accepted a date with M1: 1

M1 got a chance with 100% of the pie
M2 got a 1/4 chance of the pie
M3, M4 got no chance so they have to try later to get another chance, maybe after M1 picks his one and rejects the others.

the dating pool is not that small. most people date someone eventually. there are a few that might not, but you could not quantify their personality characteristics that easily. if you want to say that the tiny proportion of people who never ever ever date is the group that is not alpha, the definition itself becomes useless.

Obama is married to one person. Ryan Gosling dates one person at a time. and the people they have been with are not necessarily better in any way than the women that other people could date or marry.

most men do not have that many choices. even Charlie Sheen has to PAY women to sleep with him. very few have a selection like that, but why compare yourself to that? i am back to saying what i said 2 pages back - there is no point in trying to be like that because the majority are not. most people date a few others here and there and are content with that. for those that seek more and want to be like the extreme types who stand above everyone, the problem is not the system, the problem is you, that you cannot be content to have what most mortals possess.

Yea, but my point to show you how much M2,M3, M4 have try harder than the alpha M1 and how much less choices (even out of a LARGE pool of people, the larger the pool the large the competition too) they have compared to him.

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28 Jan 2013, 8:00 am

MCalavera wrote:

I don't think any one here is discussing marriage or relationships. Certainly almost any male can have dates and relationships and get married and such.

But I think what Shau was talking about (correct me, Shau, if I'm wrong) was the core attraction part, which may or may not manifest in anything beneficial for the "alpha male".

Also, I'm of the belief that "alpha qualities and traits" can be circumstantial and displayed by men (and even women) who are otherwise not on a regular basis "alpha".

marriage and relationships are the focus of most people's dating life at some point, so it does not make sense to be talking about anything else.

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28 Jan 2013, 8:00 am

hyperlexian wrote:

Shau wrote:

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That's some weird logic there, Ms. Hyperlexian. Those betas and omegas don't exactly get the finest of women. If you want higher tier women, those classes most definitely matter.

ahhh, so that is the point. you think you deserve your pick of women. that explains everything.

I want precisely what I'm worth. However, that becomes a hell of a lot more difficult when you have to turn your personality inside-out in order to conform to the standards of NT women.

what are you worth? and how do you know what you are worth?

I'm worth a BSc, noted poetic and writing skills, a body excellently toned and taken care of, and the hard work necessary to gain all of the previous. And apparently decent-looking. In order to get the equivalent woman is a hell of a lot of work, after already doing a hell of a lot of work to get what I have myself.

Then I get to see people like my female post grad friend (working on a masters in science) and my sister (also a bit of a geek as I've mentioned before) just completely be themselves and have decent-quality men come chasing after THEM. Between the sheer work I've gotta do to maintain a false personality just to keep people around and grab a nice woman that puts as much effort into life as I do makes me seriously envious of all the geeky girls. I'd honestly love to just "be myself" or be even 80% of it and still be considered desirable.

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28 Jan 2013, 8:02 am

Shau wrote:

hyperlexian wrote:

Shau wrote:

hyperlexian wrote:

Shau wrote:

That's some weird logic there, Ms. Hyperlexian. Those betas and omegas don't exactly get the finest of women. If you want higher tier women, those classes most definitely matter.

ahhh, so that is the point. you think you deserve your pick of women. that explains everything.

I want precisely what I'm worth. However, that becomes a hell of a lot more difficult when you have to turn your personality inside-out in order to conform to the standards of NT women.

what are you worth? and how do you know what you are worth?

*claps*

True story.

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28 Jan 2013, 8:06 am

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Edit: A little help for your good appearance in front of women:

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If you want higher tier women, those classes most definitely matter.

KO in the first round! With an incredible punch Shaos has critically hit himself out of the pie round!

I am just kidding, but a person differenting people into tiers....nope.... If you would poop into my face by accidents on our first date, it wouldnt be as worse then this message. ^^

Women don't like the fact that they can be divided up into tiers any more than men do. But let's face reality, sweetie....people are not created equal, and that includes women. That's why there's bums that purposely leech off of the government vs. great men like Richard Feynman that have changed the face of science forever. In turn, some women are simply hotter, more charming, more interesting, more capable...and that makes them higher tier. If you don't like this fact, I invite you to find the nearest hole in the sand and stick your head right in.

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28 Jan 2013, 8:08 am

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no, because many women don't like the personality type described as the "alpha" so they intentionally do NOT pick them. many women don't want those men. so it's not that they are "settling", any more than men are "settling" just because they don't want a stereotypical type of woman. there is room for all kinds in the world, and it is a mistake to project your own tastes or types onto the masses.

i am not talking about PUA and sex, i am talking about relationships.

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28 Jan 2013, 8:08 am

There are always Aspie girls.

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28 Jan 2013, 8:10 am

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There are always Aspie girls.

Too rare, too frequently already snatched up by some NT guy, and even when you overcome those two hurdles you have to hope they aren't asexual or too socially awkward to be willing to date.

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28 Jan 2013, 8:13 am

Too socially awkward should not be much of an issue, though. Don't you think?

Be a good friend in that case, show interest, and let her warm up to you. It's not going to be a friend zone unless you do the mistakes that lead you there.

What I do is never think in terms of "date". For me, if I'm interacting with a girl I'm interested, that's already a "date" whether it's agreed upon as such or not.

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28 Jan 2013, 8:15 am

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Maybe you didn't read my other post in the other thread about alphas, I've categorized the alpha men in 4: The knights, the kings, the wizards and the bards.

Not all alphas have the same personality type but they're simply the highest quality men (and best combo of genes).

Michel Phelps is an alpha
Donald trump is an alpha.
Johnny depp is an alpha.
The non-famous brilliant scientist who's finding new cures is an alpha (but many women in his field or workplace would fancy him).

They certainly don't share the same personality traits.

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28 Jan 2013, 8:15 am

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Socially awkward but willing to give dating a try wouldn't be a problem. It's the ones unwilling to take that leap...

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28 Jan 2013, 8:17 am

Shau wrote:

hyperlexian wrote:

Shau wrote:

hyperlexian wrote:

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That's some weird logic there, Ms. Hyperlexian. Those betas and omegas don't exactly get the finest of women. If you want higher tier women, those classes most definitely matter.

ahhh, so that is the point. you think you deserve your pick of women. that explains everything.

I want precisely what I'm worth. However, that becomes a hell of a lot more difficult when you have to turn your personality inside-out in order to conform to the standards of NT women.

what are you worth? and how do you know what you are worth?

i wasn't asking for a cv. i was asking how you could possibly *know* what you are worth? i am actually thinking that you don't have a clear idea, because apparently you think women want one thing and actually they want another. so if you think worth is measured like that, you are probably wrong.

here's the thing. you (and many others here) have some seriously misanthropic ideas underlying your view of the world. there is no way we are going to agree, but ultimately... how is that going for you?

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28 Jan 2013, 8:19 am

Shau wrote:

Socially awkward but willing to give dating a try wouldn't be a problem. It's the ones unwilling to take that leap...

Yop, the problem are girls not acting as Shau wants it. ^^ And society.

Good decision, so you have got nothing to work on, and can just lie back relaxed and mourn about the others and their fault.

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