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Ragtime
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19 Mar 2007, 3:23 pm

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A marriage between two of the same gender is not a marriage, just a perversion.


True.



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19 Mar 2007, 5:25 pm

Ragtime wrote:
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A marriage between two of the same gender is not a marriage, just a perversion.


True.

very not true. and a blanket statement. it is deviant, but so are many more things.



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19 Mar 2007, 6:32 pm

Ragtime wrote:
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A marriage between two of the same gender is not a marriage, just a perversion.


True.


Then what is a divorce between straight people?


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19 Mar 2007, 6:59 pm

TruenoBlues wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
ahayes wrote:
A marriage between two of the same gender is not a marriage, just a perversion.


True.


Then what is a divorce between straight people?


An inconvenient reminder. LOL

Marriage is manmade social convention. Marriage between blacks and whites was thought a perversion as well. Anything created by humans can be twisted by them.


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19 Mar 2007, 7:11 pm

Ragtime wrote:
ahayes wrote:
A marriage between two of the same gender is not a marriage, just a perversion.


True.


Fine. Then let's seperate marriage from the state sponsored status. Remove marriage from the law, and replace it with civil unions. I don't really like the idea of a religious concept being so closely tied with the law anyhow.



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19 Mar 2007, 8:37 pm

if there is such a thing as reincarnation... i know what some ppl are comin back as...

while i think people are entitled to their opinions... i am sorry religion got its mitts on legislation so early in our history... and that people have been brainwashed by propaganda so sublime for so long.. it's indistinguishable from 2nd nature (for most).


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19 Mar 2007, 8:38 pm

calandale wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
ahayes wrote:
A marriage between two of the same gender is not a marriage, just a perversion.


True.


Fine. Then let's seperate marriage from the state sponsored status. Remove marriage from the law, and replace it with civil unions. I don't really like the idea of a religious concept being so closely tied with the law anyhow.


No, because marriage is generally an agreement to start a family. A union with homosexual is only an agreement to engage in sexual perversion.



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19 Mar 2007, 8:51 pm

My marriage was not. Yet I was allowed to proceed. What should the plumbing matter?



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19 Mar 2007, 8:56 pm

ahayes wrote:
calandale wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
ahayes wrote:
A marriage between two of the same gender is not a marriage, just a perversion.


True.


Fine. Then let's seperate marriage from the state sponsored status. Remove marriage from the law, and replace it with civil unions. I don't really like the idea of a religious concept being so closely tied with the law anyhow.


No, because marriage is generally an agreement to start a family.

I'd say generally is a bit of a stretch. There are numerous reasons as to why people get married, and these days there are many people that have children out of wedlock.

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A union with homosexual is only an agreement to engage in sexual perversion.


They can adopt. Women can use artificial insemination. There's no reason that a homosexual couple can't have kids.



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19 Mar 2007, 8:57 pm

ahayes wrote:
calandale wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
ahayes wrote:
A marriage between two of the same gender is not a marriage, just a perversion.


True.


Fine. Then let's seperate marriage from the state sponsored status. Remove marriage from the law, and replace it with civil unions. I don't really like the idea of a religious concept being so closely tied with the law anyhow.


No, because marriage is generally an agreement to start a family. A union with homosexual is only an agreement to engage in sexual perversion.


i can see where you're coming from but i doubt married couples ONLY have sex to make babies EVERYTIME.

and besides, gay people make good parents... and they actually contribute to the solution for world overpopulation


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19 Mar 2007, 9:00 pm

Cross referancing this post:

ahayes wrote:
calandale wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
ahayes wrote:
A marriage between two of the same gender is not a marriage, just a perversion.


True.


Fine. Then let's seperate marriage from the state sponsored status. Remove marriage from the law, and replace it with civil unions. I don't really like the idea of a religious concept being so closely tied with the law anyhow.


No, because marriage is generally an agreement to start a family. A union with homosexual is only an agreement to engage in sexual perversion.


With this post made in the 'Gay Pill' thread:

ahayes wrote:
I don't think a pill would be required. If I wanted to be gay, I could be. But I'm never going to make that CHOICE.


Leads me to believe that you're trying to hide something. --Personally I really don't care, but at the same time would you please explain this? Are you in fact saying that any gay/bisexual urges that you feel are to be repressed because of religious/cultural upbringing, and that you would impose those religious/cultural values upon others irregardless of whether or not they do not share those values?


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19 Mar 2007, 10:05 pm

ahayes wrote:
calandale wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
ahayes wrote:
A marriage between two of the same gender is not a marriage, just a perversion.


True.


Fine. Then let's seperate marriage from the state sponsored status. Remove marriage from the law, and replace it with civil unions. I don't really like the idea of a religious concept being so closely tied with the law anyhow.


No, because marriage is generally an agreement to start a family. A union with homosexual is only an agreement to engage in sexual perversion.


Well since my heterosexual husband and I married with no intention to ever have children, I guess we're just engaging in sexual perversion. That's fine. We like it. We engage in it often. And amazingly, the law let us marry because we were heterosexuals. Wow. It's just amazing. Oh and by the way, before you get all stuck on your reproduction theory, more and more couples are getting married and never having children. It's becoming more and more the norm.



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19 Mar 2007, 10:18 pm

Here you go:

married couples without children
under age 18 will account for nearly half of the net growth
in households over the coming decade. The rising number
of younger childless couples will strengthen the market for
smaller homes and rentals

From Joint Center for Housing Studies at Harvard University


There many other studies saying the same.



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19 Mar 2007, 10:24 pm

Fogman wrote:
Leads me to believe that you're trying to hide something. --Personally I really don't care, but at the same time would you please explain this? Are you in fact saying that any gay/bisexual urges that you feel are to be repressed because of religious/cultural upbringing, and that you would impose those religious/cultural values upon others irregardless of whether or not they do not share those values?


Do you people ever come up with a better response to those who are against homosexuality other than accusing them of being homosexual?

No, I am not saying that, because I don't have any gay/bisexual urges.

I do not impose any values on homosexuals, they can be as perverse as they want. What I am against is supporting their perversion by allowing them to "marry".



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19 Mar 2007, 10:33 pm

But by viewing their sexual choice as a perversion (and I'm not sure why since the only reason you seem to have given is that they have sex for fun rather than a perversion) you are almost ineligable to have a reasoned opinion on the matter. It is like asking a klansman about racial rights.



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19 Mar 2007, 10:37 pm

ahayes wrote:
calandale wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
ahayes wrote:
A marriage between two of the same gender is not a marriage, just a perversion.


True.


Fine. Then let's seperate marriage from the state sponsored status. Remove marriage from the law, and replace it with civil unions. I don't really like the idea of a religious concept being so closely tied with the law anyhow.


No, because marriage is generally an agreement to start a family. A union with homosexual is only an agreement to engage in sexual perversion.

so if i am infertile, i am not allowed to wed? and homosexuals can start a family through adoption (in liberal countries)