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30 May 2015, 7:15 pm

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You don't think females can play guys? Pretty sure they can and even do.


They most certainly can. In fact, women do most of the "playing", but they don't "play" for sex.

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That's exactly what I'm referring to - survival of the fittest. I disagree. It's been my experience and observation that the healthiest, biggest, best, fastest, strongest etc = wealthiest, highest status etc.


So, is it "survival of the fittest" or can any guy really find a girlfriend so long as he really tries hard. I mean, I know calling out feminists for inconsistency is like calling out dogs for licking their own balls, but still, make up your mind already. :roll:



1.) Yes, some women play guys for sex. Again, just because you're not being pursued for sex doesn't mean women aren't pursuing other guys to get laid.

2.) How are these things different or mutually exclusive? Consistently persistently trying hard = becoming fitter in every way = becoming more attractive to potential mates. It's not rocket surgery stuff we're dealing with here.. I'm not sure why you seem to be having a difficult time grasping the concept.


1.) No, they don't. You know why? Because even the very few women who do enjoy sex on some level don't need to "play" men for it, they can just go out and have it. If you actually knew anything about the nature of heterossexual relationships besides what the crap your washed-up Plain Jane hags tell you, you'd know that.

2. Nonsense. A man who insists on trying to ski up the hill won't be any closer to actually doing it by the 500th time he tries than he was on the first. Persistence is one thing, stupidity and blind optimism are another. Again, you have no idea what you're talking about. :roll:



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30 May 2015, 11:43 pm

Gauldoth wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Gauldoth wrote:
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You don't think females can play guys? Pretty sure they can and even do.


They most certainly can. In fact, women do most of the "playing", but they don't "play" for sex.

goldfish21 wrote:
That's exactly what I'm referring to - survival of the fittest. I disagree. It's been my experience and observation that the healthiest, biggest, best, fastest, strongest etc = wealthiest, highest status etc.


So, is it "survival of the fittest" or can any guy really find a girlfriend so long as he really tries hard. I mean, I know calling out feminists for inconsistency is like calling out dogs for licking their own balls, but still, make up your mind already. :roll:



1.) Yes, some women play guys for sex. Again, just because you're not being pursued for sex doesn't mean women aren't pursuing other guys to get laid.

2.) How are these things different or mutually exclusive? Consistently persistently trying hard = becoming fitter in every way = becoming more attractive to potential mates. It's not rocket surgery stuff we're dealing with here.. I'm not sure why you seem to be having a difficult time grasping the concept.


1.) No, they don't. You know why? Because even the very few women who do enjoy sex on some level don't need to "play" men for it, they can just go out and have it. If you actually knew anything about the nature of heterossexual relationships besides what the crap your washed-up Plain Jane hags tell you, you'd know that.

2. Nonsense. A man who insists on trying to ski up the hill won't be any closer to actually doing it by the 500th time he tries than he was on the first. Persistence is one thing, stupidity and blind optimism are another. Again, you have no idea what you're talking about. :roll:


Umm, surely many women have at least some pleasure from intercourse (though as a male virgin I obviously cannot speak from experience). If it is otherwise, surely the fault would lie in lack of concern and effort on the part of the male lover to make it mutually enjoyable. And playing in either gender seem to me to very cruel. I would prefer to be pursued, provided it was not too aggressive or "brazen". I would not feel comfortable flirting too aggressively; I would worry too much about making my beloved unhappy or uncomfortable. If I ever do marry, it would be very important that the experience be mutually pleasurable, if anything more so that my wife, should she ever come into my life, find it enjoyable. I seem almost to fit more the clichéd "feminine" role here.


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31 May 2015, 11:11 am

Gauldoth wrote:
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Gauldoth wrote:
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You don't think females can play guys? Pretty sure they can and even do.


They most certainly can. In fact, women do most of the "playing", but they don't "play" for sex.

goldfish21 wrote:
That's exactly what I'm referring to - survival of the fittest. I disagree. It's been my experience and observation that the healthiest, biggest, best, fastest, strongest etc = wealthiest, highest status etc.


So, is it "survival of the fittest" or can any guy really find a girlfriend so long as he really tries hard. I mean, I know calling out feminists for inconsistency is like calling out dogs for licking their own balls, but still, make up your mind already. :roll:



1.) Yes, some women play guys for sex. Again, just because you're not being pursued for sex doesn't mean women aren't pursuing other guys to get laid.

2.) How are these things different or mutually exclusive? Consistently persistently trying hard = becoming fitter in every way = becoming more attractive to potential mates. It's not rocket surgery stuff we're dealing with here.. I'm not sure why you seem to be having a difficult time grasping the concept.


1.) No, they don't. You know why? Because even the very few women who do enjoy sex on some level don't need to "play" men for it, they can just go out and have it. If you actually knew anything about the nature of heterossexual relationships besides what the crap your washed-up Plain Jane hags tell you, you'd know that.

2. Nonsense. A man who insists on trying to ski up the hill won't be any closer to actually doing it by the 500th time he tries than he was on the first. Persistence is one thing, stupidity and blind optimism are another. Again, you have no idea what you're talking about. :roll:


1.) Most women enjoy sex. Some of them play guys for it sometimes. They're not "Plain Jane hags" - they're good looking 20 something hostesses & servers at the restaurant/bar I work at.

2.) Not skiiing exactly, but I've snowboarded up hill.. kite powered while snowkiting in Montana one Winter! :D Um, you keep proving with each new post that you're the one who has no idea what you're talkin about...


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31 May 2015, 2:59 pm

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1.) Most women enjoy sex. Some of them play guys for it sometimes. They're not "Plain Jane hags" - they're good looking 20 something hostesses & servers at the restaurant/bar I work at.

2.) Not skiiing exactly, but I've snowboarded up hill.. kite powered while snowkiting in Montana one Winter! :D Um, you keep proving with each new post that you're the one who has no idea what you're talkin about...


1.) No, they don't. And again, even if they did, they wouldn't need to play men for it. Men would be more than willing to provide them with sex for free without any need for subterfuge or underhanded tactics on their part.

2.) Way to try and avoid the original point, kid. :lol:



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31 May 2015, 6:14 pm

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Yeah, I agree it's pretty pointless to try and make dating "fair".

However, the fact of the matter is that a lot of men are being excluded from the mating process altogether simply because they can't "measure up". Now, truth to be told, this is not exactly a new thing, it's been happening for a long time now. But ever since the female emancipation, the number of men finding themselves in this situation has been rising non-stop. Simply put, the bar for men has been set too high, and they keep raising it higher and higher every day.

This is a problem because, as I mentioned in the other thread, happiness for most men comes from women and sex. When most men realize that these two things just aren't accessible to them, they become depressed and lethargic, essentially a burden on society. And some will even lash out violently. Don't think that a large group of sexually frustrated men doesn't have the power to destroy a civilization. In fact, it's what destroyed most civilizations throughout History.


But surely happiness comes from a number of sources regardless of one's gender. Obviously I would like to be with a woman, but there are many things I enjoy such as reading, friendship, my interests... I actually find clichés that we are only interested in sexual intercourse quite annoying. And how would it be mature of me to use my feeling frustrated about being single as an excuse for violence? You may be right to be concerned though. I worry about some of the values that seem to be poisoning some people's minds; some young men would appear to have quite dangerously misogynistic attitudes to women.


Trouble is though, a lot of the complaints these young men have about women are very much valid. Women may not responsible for creating the natural arrangement of men being the "disposable sex", but they've certainly done nothing to ameliorate it. In fact, they've often taken advantage of it and encouraged men to embrace their role as disposable tools. There are other things too, like feminism’s relentless hounding of low-status males, its consistent (and more often than not, successful) attempts at shutting down any discussion about male rights and male issues.

And even the guys who just go completely off the deep end, like Elliot Rodger and George Sodini… can you really blame them for it? I mean, I certainly don’t condone what they did, but the fact of the matter is that society treats these type of men who “can’t cut it” like crap. It demands the world from them, and gives them nothing in return. Again, not saying I condone or in any way support what these people did, but I can certainly understand how they got to where they got, and why they felt compelled to do it.



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01 Jun 2015, 11:45 pm

Gauldoth wrote:
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1.) Most women enjoy sex. Some of them play guys for it sometimes. They're not "Plain Jane hags" - they're good looking 20 something hostesses & servers at the restaurant/bar I work at.

2.) Not skiiing exactly, but I've snowboarded up hill.. kite powered while snowkiting in Montana one Winter! :D Um, you keep proving with each new post that you're the one who has no idea what you're talkin about...


1.) No, they don't. And again, even if they did, they wouldn't need to play men for it. Men would be more than willing to provide them with sex for free without any need for subterfuge or underhanded tactics on their part.

2.) Way to try and avoid the original point, kid. :lol:


:lol: :roll:

How can you possibly believe what you write? :?

Of COURSE women enjoy sex. To believe otherwise is some kind of crazy-talk.


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02 Jun 2015, 2:28 am

goldfish21 wrote:
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1.) Most women enjoy sex. Some of them play guys for it sometimes. They're not "Plain Jane hags" - they're good looking 20 something hostesses & servers at the restaurant/bar I work at.

2.) Not skiiing exactly, but I've snowboarded up hill.. kite powered while snowkiting in Montana one Winter! :D Um, you keep proving with each new post that you're the one who has no idea what you're talkin about...


1.) No, they don't. And again, even if they did, they wouldn't need to play men for it. Men would be more than willing to provide them with sex for free without any need for subterfuge or underhanded tactics on their part.

2.) Way to try and avoid the original point, kid. :lol:


:lol: :roll:

How can you possibly believe what you write? :?

Of COURSE women enjoy sex. To believe otherwise is some kind of crazy-talk.


I don't need to believe it, I KNOW it.

Also, that's not actual response to any of my arguments... :roll:



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02 Jun 2015, 2:47 am

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Modern society is competitive, too competitive in my opinion....and one does not have to be the best 'alpha male' to get affection...free. Not everyone cares about being the top dog and winning the pissing contest, the 'free love' hippie concept is likely more popular than you think....maybe just not within your socio-economic class. I hear lots of stories of friends acquaintances having sex and/or more long term relationships and a large majority of them are anything but 'well off' financially though there are a few who associate with the circle I do who are more well off....but the down to earth, not flaunt it in your face types. If I lived in a more snobby area I doubt I'd be saying the same things about the people I'd be exposed to....location can be a major factor in dating. If one is in an area where they stick out like a sore thumb/don't fit in that can effect dating chances even if they did develop a positive/optimistic attitude which would not be entirely their fault. Not everyone is living somewhere they want to....or has the option to just uproot and move somewhere better.


It's not a modern society thing. Society has always been competitive. No, one doesn't have to be the best "alpha male" but being the best one you can be doesn't hurt your chances of winning any.

Sure, there are "free love" hippie types out there. That's why I suggested socializing with them. And just what socio-economic class is it that you think I belong to? Newsflash: I'm working class poor. Including tips and side job income, I earn approximately an average income for my locale. Maybe a bit below average. I wear $2 thrift store t-shirts and drive a beat up 1990 Honda Civic with 472,500 kms on the clock. I don't waste money so have accumulated a bit of savings and am not paycheque to paycheque and don't have any debts - but that's all post-bankruptcy ~1.5 years ago. I rent a room from family in the suburbs. I'm not flat broke, but I'm certainly no well off.. yet - I'm working on that part.

You aren't a tree. If you don't like where you live, move. If it's someone's goal to relocate, especially in Canada/America, they can achieve that goal even if it takes them a while to save up enough money to pay for moving costs. I don't recall anyone in this thread saying they didn't like where they lived, though, so I'm not sure why it's relevant.


I am fine with where I live...but if I wasn't, it would be very hard to move...I mean I am at my moms house paying 300 dollars in rent a month, real likely I'll find another place at that rate in a few months....not. But yeah you gotta think about the cost of moving possesions, plus moving to a new state, plus any differences in SSI payments and medicaid if you're relying on that, not to mention different laws and regulations you may not be accustomed to. People talk about moving like its some super easy thing accesable to everyone....well no typically it takes money and resources.

If I had a goal of moving to canada there is a good chance I'd never reach it regardless of effort...that is really how the U.S works. Either way my point was location can effect dating chances whether or not anyone in this thread mentioned not liking their area...I only meant to point it out as a possible factor not start a whole debate on whether or not anyone here particularly struggles with that.


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02 Jun 2015, 2:50 am

Gauldoth wrote:
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1.) Most women enjoy sex. Some of them play guys for it sometimes. They're not "Plain Jane hags" - they're good looking 20 something hostesses & servers at the restaurant/bar I work at.

2.) Not skiiing exactly, but I've snowboarded up hill.. kite powered while snowkiting in Montana one Winter! :D Um, you keep proving with each new post that you're the one who has no idea what you're talkin about...


1.) No, they don't. And again, even if they did, they wouldn't need to play men for it. Men would be more than willing to provide them with sex for free without any need for subterfuge or underhanded tactics on their part.

2.) Way to try and avoid the original point, kid. :lol:


:lol: :roll:

How can you possibly believe what you write? :?

Of COURSE women enjoy sex. To believe otherwise is some kind of crazy-talk.


I don't need to believe it, I KNOW it.

Also, that's not actual response to any of my arguments... :roll:


They usually pretend that they never play-with-themselves as well, just cause men usually tend to do it more than them.

I imagine the same principle applies to sex in general(i.e. pretending to not like it all, just cause men like it more)



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02 Jun 2015, 3:05 am

goldfish21 wrote:
Gauldoth wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
1.) Most women enjoy sex. Some of them play guys for it sometimes. They're not "Plain Jane hags" - they're good looking 20 something hostesses & servers at the restaurant/bar I work at.

2.) Not skiiing exactly, but I've snowboarded up hill.. kite powered while snowkiting in Montana one Winter! :D Um, you keep proving with each new post that you're the one who has no idea what you're talkin about...


1.) No, they don't. And again, even if they did, they wouldn't need to play men for it. Men would be more than willing to provide them with sex for free without any need for subterfuge or underhanded tactics on their part.

2.) Way to try and avoid the original point, kid. :lol:


:lol: :roll:

How can you possibly believe what you write? :?

Of COURSE women enjoy sex. To believe otherwise is some kind of crazy-talk.


It obviously says something about what he's like in bed.

I will correct you: women enjoy sex with someone who isn't useless at it.


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It obviously says something about what he's like in bed.

I will correct you: women enjoy sex with someone who isn't useless at it.


Of course, if a woman can't enjoy sex, it must be the fault of her partner. Because there's just no way the problem can be your end, is there?



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02 Jun 2015, 9:30 am

Gauldoth wrote:
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It obviously says something about what he's like in bed.

I will correct you: women enjoy sex with someone who isn't useless at it.


Of course, if a woman can't enjoy sex, it must be the fault of her partner. Because there's just no way the problem can be your end, is there?


Do you have a sample size of 1 & are projecting that to all women because the 1 you had sex with didn't enjoy it?


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goldfish21 wrote:
Gauldoth wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
It obviously says something about what he's like in bed.

I will correct you: women enjoy sex with someone who isn't useless at it.


Of course, if a woman can't enjoy sex, it must be the fault of her partner. Because there's just no way the problem can be your end, is there?


Do you have a sample size of 1 & are projecting that to all women because the 1 you had sex with didn't enjoy it?


This isn't about me or my sex life. One does not need much sexual experience, or any at all for that matter, to come to the conclusions I have. One only needs to observe and analyse the reality around them, with a scientific, factually-driven mindset. And of course, ignore the social mores and dogmas that seemingly no one actually believes in yet we most all pretend are the indisputable truth for whatever reason.



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02 Jun 2015, 9:53 am

Thank you, those tips are pretty great!

I always see the same tips everywhere but you actually gave some new tips that can be pretty helpful :U



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02 Jun 2015, 9:31 pm

Many women enjoy sex. I know that from EXPERIENCE.