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17 Aug 2015, 6:15 pm

Omega is the final letter in the Greek alphabet. Alpha is the first one.



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17 Aug 2015, 6:34 pm

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whats an omega?

in things like wolves, it is the bottom-ranking pack member, the first to be ejected from the pack in lean times, and the prototypical "lone wolf." many aspie males are quasi-omegas.



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17 Aug 2015, 6:37 pm

Omegas are so invisible that they could sneak onto the Alpha Guy's territory, and succeed in luring Alpha-Scented ladies.



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17 Aug 2015, 6:41 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Omegas are so invisible that they could sneak onto the Alpha Guy's territory, and succeed in luring Alpha-Scented ladies.

IMHO those would be the lotto-winners of life.



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17 Aug 2015, 6:43 pm

auntblabby wrote:
sly279 wrote:
whats an omega?

in things like wolves, it is the bottom-ranking pack member, the first to be ejected from the pack in lean times, and the prototypical "lone wolf." many aspie males are quasi-omegas.


Instinct driven species run on base coding, their BIOS so to speak. Consciousness or self aware species run on additional software coded for time, space, cause and effect and logic is thus contemplated by evolution in how they relate to one another.

Humanity is a WIP.



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17 Aug 2015, 6:50 pm

trayder wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
sly279 wrote:
whats an omega?

in things like wolves, it is the bottom-ranking pack member, the first to be ejected from the pack in lean times, and the prototypical "lone wolf." many aspie males are quasi-omegas.


Instinct driven species run on base coding, their BIOS so to speak. Consciousness or self aware species run on additional software coded for time, space, cause and effect and logic is thus contemplated by evolution in how they relate to one another. Humanity is a WIP.

can you please couch that in more lay terms?



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17 Aug 2015, 7:08 pm

He has to channel his Inner Bull.



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17 Aug 2015, 7:14 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
He has to channel his Inner Bull.

I would not say that, it was a fascinatingly metaphoric offering, I want to know what it means.



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17 Aug 2015, 7:23 pm

auntblabby wrote:
trayder wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
sly279 wrote:
whats an omega?

in things like wolves, it is the bottom-ranking pack member, the first to be ejected from the pack in lean times, and the prototypical "lone wolf." many aspie males are quasi-omegas.


Instinct driven species run on base coding, their BIOS so to speak. Consciousness or self aware species run on additional software coded for time, space, cause and effect and logic is thus contemplated by evolution in how they relate to one another. Humanity is a WIP.

can you please couch that in more lay terms?


Animals do not know why they act. They act to advance the survival of their genetic coding and understandably, the male of the species fittest enough to impose his coding on the rest, wins. Humans however can contemplate cause and effect and are aware of their actions and their consequences. In other words, nature his overwritten our base instinct coding with coding that overrides it in the world of self awareness.

Therefore, it is not quite correct to compare our social relations as a conscious species with that of our instinct driven brethren. In actuality, is is fairer to argue that the new man is neither alpha nor omega but pure logic.



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17 Aug 2015, 7:39 pm

I wonder if we sometimes underestimate the cognitive abilities of animals.



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17 Aug 2015, 7:41 pm

trayder wrote:
Animals do not know why they act. They act to advance the survival of their genetic coding and understandably, the male of the species fittest enough to impose his coding on the rest, wins. Humans however can contemplate cause and effect and are aware of their actions and their consequences. In other words, nature his overwritten our base instinct coding with coding that overrides it in the world of self awareness. Therefore, it is not quite correct to compare our social relations as a conscious species with that of our instinct driven brethren. In actuality, is is fairer to argue that the new man is neither alpha nor omega but pure logic.

thank you :) I have long thought that the one reliable thing that separates human animals from other animals, is our POTENTIAL to cognitively transcend our humble genetic/Darwinian origins. but it is a titanically tall order, not done by only one or in just one lifetime.



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17 Aug 2015, 7:49 pm

By and large, I believe we're less "instinctual" than most or all animals.

We have, to some degree, transcended the evolutionary Darwinian code in ourselves and in other animals--sometimes for the good, sometimes for the bad.



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17 Aug 2015, 7:51 pm

auntblabby wrote:
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Animals do not know why they act. They act to advance the survival of their genetic coding and understandably, the male of the species fittest enough to impose his coding on the rest, wins. Humans however can contemplate cause and effect and are aware of their actions and their consequences. In other words, nature his overwritten our base instinct coding with coding that overrides it in the world of self awareness. Therefore, it is not quite correct to compare our social relations as a conscious species with that of our instinct driven brethren. In actuality, is is fairer to argue that the new man is neither alpha nor omega but pure logic.

thank you :) I have long thought that the one reliable thing that separates human animals from other animals, is our POTENTIAL to cognitively transcend our humble genetic/Darwinian origins. but it is a titanically tall order, not done by only one or in just one lifetime.


Evolution is a dispassionate force. It simply unfolds on a planet in accordance with material conditions. On this planet, humanity is the particular species captured to in essence contemplate the cosmos and traverse it. Being a WIP not yet properly formulated, and consciousness being in its early phase, humanity will still be weighted heavily on the subjective end of the spectrum. Those on the objective end and termed autistic merely exemplify the direction of consciousness, presuming we do not destroy the environment in the next few decades.



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17 Aug 2015, 8:12 pm

that last part is a big presumption. I don't think mankind will succeed, I believe we are a failed experiment in [relatively] advanced sentience. we are probably an early beta product.



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17 Aug 2015, 8:15 pm

auntblabby wrote:
that last part is a big presumption. I don't think mankind will succeed, I believe we are a failed experiment in [relatively] advanced sentience. we are probably an early beta product.


Much of what we take for granted in the advances in science and philosophy have come from the objective. On a planet where the conscious species are still largely subjective and the speed at which these tools have been globalised in toxic ways, I am inclined to agree.



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