any women here who have never dated, never had a boyfriend?

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24 Aug 2016, 8:40 am

I've had four boyfriends and plenty of dates.


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24 Aug 2016, 8:48 am

^ hurtloam, please don't look!! Scroll down fast!



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24 Aug 2016, 9:10 am

I agree Boo.

For all the gender stereotypes that men are supposed to be the 'strong' ones who hide their emotions and women open and 'in touch' with their feelings, all I ever see whining and complaining about depression/misery/loneliness or showing aggression are boys and men.

Some women seem more influenced by Feminism and the 'I AM A STRONG, LOUD, PROUD INDEPENDENT WOMAN, HEAR ME ROAR' attitude, try to save face by acting completely content with being single because their 'education/career' is more important, and showing the most apathetic, cold and otherwise uncaring attitudes towards men I've ever seen.

And if men complain or object to this at all, apparently 'you are not entitled to my time or attention. Besides, I'm not going to be some submissive little woman echo chamber of a person who just agrees with everything you say to 'stroke your own ego'.

This is why in recent times I honestly would much rather prefer a traditional female.

Someone soft, shy, quiet, yet warm, supportive and caring, and I'd be just as dedicated, loving and caring and supportive back.

Not some 'independent' woman who feels she doesn't even need me in the relationship in the first place (then why are we even dating, you self-reliant, self-efficient future cat-lady hermit?) the need to passive-aggressively make sarcastic and cruel remarks to or about me every second.

And if I complain apparently I have a 'fragile ego' and I'm 'insecure'.

No, I just don't need some mean-spirited, negative ahøle constantly finding satisfaction in sh*tting on my life's work, and then claiming I demand you agree with me every second.

Sarcasm, passive-aggressiveness and mean spiritedness are so common in this Millenial generation, especially young men and women alike constantly throwing smart-alec and downright cruel remarks at one another and it's absolutely horribly unattractive. :evil:

I don't care if it's just a person's type of humor.

"Hey, you're a sucking loser and I'm going to break your dam neck! HAHA, that was a joke!"

Personally insulting and attacking almost everything someone says and everything about them constantly is NOT a joke.



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24 Aug 2016, 9:28 am

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Forget about the fact there's more aspie men than women for a second - the gender ratio isn't THAT big, certainly not enough so that the vast majority of people chronically single and miserably lonely are only males.

I remember the gender ratios something like 5:1, but the amount of single men here complaining vs. women feels more like 50:1.

Autism spectrum disorder wouldn't account for all cases of chronic singleness. Even if neurodiverse people were removed from the equation, I'd expect "forever alone" men would still outnumber "forever alone" women.

That aside, just looking at the threads on the first page of this section alone, you'll see that the majority of (original) posters seem to be guys. It actually seems to parrot the proposed 4:1/5:1 autism gender ratio, which is interesting.

I have seen a couple of female WPers say the reason they don't make threads here is because their issues are discredited by guys who comment on their threads, claiming they have it harder instead of actually offering any kind of productive advice. I don't find it particularly hard to imagine a scenario like that taking place here.



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24 Aug 2016, 9:42 am

I did a thread before on "Sexual invisibility".... it was about how some individuals are not seen by others as sexual beings especially by the opposite sex , making them totally sexually invisible to the opposite sex .

We should all do research on this.

Check this:

http://www.yourtango.com/2015251593/im- ... -boyfriend

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No, I am more the girl-next-door; a nice, normal girl, the girl you don't really notice at first, the girl who lives or works next to you, but the more you interact with her, the nicer she seems. So maybe you then ask her out…

Except that never worked for me either. I remained invisible. I remained the "wingwoman," "the funny one" among my more traditionally good-looking friends. Night out after night out, my friends would get chatted up and approached by guys. I got ignored. Sometimes blatantly so. Sometimes rudely so. Sometimes downright cruelly so.

All my own efforts to flirt or interact with guys rebuffed. It was like I just wasn't there. Like I didn't exist as a sexual being. Guys would look over at us, checking out our group, and would only approach to chat the others up when I was at the bar or in the ladies room. That wasn't a one-off—it happened regularly.

I remained a virgin until I was 27. I lost it on a drunken one-night stand. I didn't go on my first, actual "date" until later that year, either. It was clear from the time he met me on our date that I wasn't quite what he remembered from the nightclub the previous week. In fact I suspect that he got me mixed up with my friend, the girl he met out with me the week before, and was expecting HER on the night of our date.

Maybe politeness or embarrassment stopped him from ending the night there and then. I was so helplessly inexperienced in dating at the time that I sat there, smiling and looking around me, with the drink that MY DATE(!) bought for me, while he texted a "friend" during some of the evening (who, it transpired later in conversation, was "sort of" an ex) and ignored me. He dropped me home after a couple of hours and I never heard from him again.



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24 Aug 2016, 9:58 am

Outrider wrote:
Some women seem more influenced by Feminism and the 'I AM A STRONG, LOUD, PROUD INDEPENDENT WOMAN, HEAR ME ROAR' attitude, try to save face by acting completely content with being single because their 'education/career' is more important, and showing the most apathetic, cold and otherwise uncaring attitudes towards men I've ever seen.


How do you know they’re not indeed completely content that way? They can focus as much as they want to on their careers—men will go after them anyway, so why not let their suitors do all the work and detract all the time and resources from their own goals? The more they develop their careers, the more interesting experiences they’ll have and the more interesting as people they’ll become, and, of course, the fewer men will measure up to them, so the successful, career-oriented women will have even less of a reason to give a crap about the vast majority of them.

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And if men complain or object to this at all, apparently 'you are not entitled to my time or attention. Besides, I'm not going to be some submissive little woman echo chamber of a person who just agrees with everything you say to 'stroke your own ego'.


And that’s simply the truth.

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This is why in recent times I honestly would much rather prefer a traditional female.

Someone soft, shy, quiet, yet warm, supportive and caring, and I'd be just as dedicated, loving and caring and supportive back.


But they don’t want to be that kind of woman and don’t have to be.


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24 Aug 2016, 10:18 am

As an independent woman I must say it's very difficult to know how much to open up to someone. How do you know whether they like you or if they're just leading you on?

What if you open up to this person and they're actually a total dick and just mess you around.

On the one hand we get criticised for being too cold on the other we're criticised for chasing the wrong man.

We can't win. What do you expect?



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24 Aug 2016, 10:20 am

Me. I have never been on a date, had a boyfriend, or had sex. I also don't think I'll ever get married. To be fair, I believe this is all by choice.



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24 Aug 2016, 10:41 am

I'd feel so embarrassed if people in the real world learned I wasn't content being single. There's been a couple people I've had to completely remove from my life because I accidentally opened up more than I intended to.



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24 Aug 2016, 6:55 pm

when people irl make me uncomfortable for my lifestyle choices or my general situation, i do my best to make them uncomfortable for asking or bringing it up. most of the time i know they don't really want to make me uncomfortable, but i want to be sure that they get the message ("i'm not going to talk about it with you, now or ever"). when i did have a girlfriend, i didn't change my tone. i didn't tell anyone irl about her existence. especially not my parents. they would have found a way to ruin it if they were even minimally involved. that nagging "i told you so" attitude, at the first sign of relationship trouble, which they would be scanning for

i don't tell anyone irl about my long-distance friends either (although i do often talk to long-distance friends about other long-distance friends/acquaintances). when i talk irl about things i've been talking about with those friends, i say "i've read on the internet that blablabla". when my parents ask me things like "why are you traveling to that place in particular?", i say "because i know someone there", and i never mention the person again. i want to be sure that they get the message ("you don't know a lot about me, and i don't want you to")

nowadays people are used to my stealthiness. not even my grandfather asks me about girlfriends anymore. he's just happy to see me when i visit. in other words, my personal solution to the problem of "who to trust and open up to" is simply "nobody". by now it doesn't even cross my mind anymore. except online (or irl later, with people i've met online). that's where my real friends are


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24 Aug 2016, 7:00 pm

and apparently, the prime of a persons life is deemed 18-35



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24 Aug 2016, 8:09 pm

I didn't have a date or a boyfriend. It's not important in my life, I don't know why. I have somethings else to think for the moment, I think.



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24 Aug 2016, 9:24 pm

I have an ex-boyfriend. He's the first one and the last one.


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25 Aug 2016, 12:57 am

The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
I have seen a couple of female WPers say the reason they don't make threads here is because their issues are discredited by guys who comment on their threads, claiming they have it harder instead of actually offering any kind of productive advice. I don't find it particularly hard to imagine a scenario like that taking place here.


That's the main reason I've found, being on other forums when this subject topic up. From hearing them talk about being attacked and seeing the threads that become hostile. They cast shame onto women for privileges in dating, and how they shouldn't be complaining. It turns to 'who has it worse' and guys want to have a competition on how we get shafted more in the dating world and females always have more options. Which is absolutely true, nature is a b***h and some of us men are screwed, but it isn't helpful in the least to the women that are lonely and have trouble getting a boyfriend.

Like this one chick that was feeling down for finding guys that only wanted sex and nothing more, the replies were along the lines of 'at least you have that option'. And quickly it became party of shaming from a bunch of guys that felt they owned the right to complain due to their troubles which just threw the OP under the bus.


Also probably doesn't help that these threads become sausage fests of guys trying to reverse engineer women.



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25 Aug 2016, 1:06 am

There are few more coming, I say let's throw a party.



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25 Aug 2016, 8:58 am

Drawyer wrote:
I have an ex-boyfriend. He's the first one and the last one.
No more boyfriends? So much for your plans to marry Boo :lol:


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