Men's thread:when she never initiates communication

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The two first women's replies in this thread are the ones that reflect reality of this matter and not some absurd societal belief that barely exists in the modern world nowadays.

And again, I emphasize on the word *never* in original post.

Last edited by The_Face_of_Boo on 14 Jan 2017, 1:43 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Of course it is. It's a social dance involving the cues of two parties over time.

But some people have gotten this idea that you just speak two or three words to a stranger and just ask them out. That hardly ever works in real life unless you're super good looking.

Do you... realize where I live?

Are you telling me that your area is more conservative/macho than where I live?

Be real!

For example, there was this guy I liked who played around with photography. We both went to a meetup thing. I made sure to sit near him, and I made eye contact with him several times and smiled at him.

He at one point asked a question of the presenter. After the presentation, I was standing next to him and I started up a conversation, and told him that his question was a very good one, and one that I had been wondering myself, so I was glad he asked it.

Later he was standing next to a cabinet filled with some photographs and I again started up a conversation about the photographs, and commented on his camera that he was carrying.

Every time I talked to him, the conversation was very short, and he would walk away. He did not start up any conversation with me. He did not initiate at any time.

My conclusion was that he was not interested in pursuing anything further, so I let it go.

This is an example of how we initiate. We stand near you, we comment on something you are carrying or doing, we smile at you, we make eye contact and hold it and nod while you talk and laugh at your jokes.

If you don't respond we can only assume you're not interested because you're not giving anything back.

It is extremly simple.

If the woman, at least every once in a while, scrolls down/search her contacts to find your name; taps it and sends you a "Good morning"/ "Good evening" / hi/hello...etc just for the sake to talk to you and not to ask you for favors (those don't count).

Then you would be darn sure that this woman likes you and cares for you.

Actually, I hear a contrary rule from local women: they tell me they don't initate any chat/texting with male friends (not crushes) because they are afraid to give them the wrong idea and don't want to make them think they like them.
So non-initiation is a strong sign of friendzoning.

But these are very obvious signs.

Even a hoplessly awkward aspie guy can see it through.

That guy was either taken or was really not interested.

Not because he couldn't see the signs.

It's encoraged in Japanese and Korean culture for women to 'confess' and make the first move. I can't speak for middle eastern women as I do not know the culture as well.

Again I'm referring to the first approach not the never initiating

Last edited by Alliekit on 14 Jan 2017, 2:07 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Exactly. That's why I let it go.

No one can accuse me of not being obvious lol

Yes, you even once created a thread just to summon me.

You are hopelessly in love with me, don't deny it.

ps: I am not saying it's mutual though.

I am talking about talk initiations from time to time - not about the first move nor the first asking out nor the first approach.

Big difference.

I understand what you mean even myself, who is absolutely awful at initiating, sends a first test every now and then.

So you finally admit it.

You confirmed my point in this thread. You see that guys? I am telling you the absolute truth this time, believe me!

The reason why I am so radically stubborn about this thread is due to a very obvious pattern in my experiences.

It's not like I never asked out women who never initiated communication, I did a lot of times.

And here's the pattern:

*ALL* the women who never initiated communication said no.

and *ALL* (yes, all) the women who initiated communication in some days, accepted to go out with me.

34 years and no single exception in that at all.

So that's why, it will take me more than some posts on a forum to convince me otherwise.

I never said otherwise I've just always said I'm rubbish at initiating as in I can for for a month or 2 without initiating

Dude, that was exhausting. Did you ever think that women don't initiate because you're too argumentative and like to split hairs?.

You turned a sensible topic with different perspectives that actually aided your viewpoint and made it a self fueled psychological study. You even told half the chicks they're full of it for believing some men are archaic in their mating rituals and expectations. I have twice as many guy friends than girl friends. I have to listen to their f****d up conversations over beers. I remember one guy saying girls should never smoke or drink, he's a skater for f***s sake. He smokes pot, drinks etc. etc. These same dudes don't want to date a chick that could beat them up and most of them will drop a chick the second they show interest.

Anywho, that's what I get for befriending a bunch of fuckboys. The chicks you're so pissed at probably had to go through overly demanding fuckboys before getting to you. Most guys still believe that nice guys finish last and teach women to build up walls.

Don't forget, I'm agreeing with you on your initial statement of never. Just not the attitude you have towards why or a bunch of things you've said in this thread.

No, they do initiate at times: when they are interested.

If not, they never initiate.

Anyway that was a low blow.

Get out of my thread please.

Women hate being ignored and invalidated and this guy (as much as you don't like him) proves it.

It's that easy for women to end up going for someone they otherwise shouldn't.