15 Oct 2017, 1:27 am
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Closet Genious wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Chronos wrote:
SilverBoltsisWmax wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Aspie1 wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Anyway. Would one really get satisfaction from a life of working a low paid entry level job?
hurtloam wrote:
I don't think the answer is to separate ourselves more. We should be finding ways, men and women, to work together and find common ground and ways to get along with each other better.
I mean how can we become more respectful of each other. Obviously young men are feeling worthless and unloved. that's not good for society. We have a big problem. Being cold towards one another isn't the answer.
I mean how can we become more respectful of each other. Obviously young men are feeling worthless and unloved. that's not good for society. We have a big problem. Being cold towards one another isn't the answer.
A "nice" job is often necessary to keep up with a girlfriend's or wife's demands. Big house, fancy car, engagement ring, jewelry for the anniversary, birthday presents, pricey Valentine's Day dinners, etc, etc, etc. Not to mention, high-paying jobs are often pretty stressful. If a man doesn't have anyone pushing all those demands and doesn't seek out romantic partners, a high-paid job becomes borderline unnecessary. A simple, low-stress job is just enough to maintain a man's lifestyle: a small but comfortable house, an inexpensive reliable car, and some extra cash for weekend outings.
I think we as a society already crossed the point of no return; the relationship between sexes at large is too damaged to repair in one generation's lifetime. Because my generation is basically out of luck, I'm choosing to keep a safe distance and watch the circus unfold. Just like Guy Montag in the closing scene of "Fahrenheit 451", where he watches his city get carpet-bombed, while standing in the safety of the countryside, talking to Book People.
Oh, and for the records, I have women friends who think highly of me. I just refuse to have anything to do with romantic or sexual relationships. In which case, I can't help but snicker at young men falling over themselves trying to find a sex partner or a girlfriend. Even though I was just like that 15 years ago.
Oh I don't doubt you guys are quite nice in real life. I used to work with a red pill guy and he's lovely.i really like him. I just feel that he must have been really hurt at some point to have had to delve into such a separatist ideology. I had to unfollow him on Facebook because I couldn't take the negativity of the things he liked.
The existence of women hurt men. Men who believe in the law of equivalent exchange are hurt by what women represent each day. The thing that makes men get upset is not that women control the power, it's that so many disregard the fact they do, as if they don't because they don't care or are actually that stupid.
Men see how other men who can easily sway women act, and cannot understand how women fall prey to this over and over, because logically it makes zero sense. But again....just goes back to people being generally stupid. I would go so far as to say, no woman should ever be unmarried past 25-30 unless by direct choice for a strong reason. Every woman who isn't and says it's because of men just isn't smart enough to understand her own power maybe even her own previous power, as women's power can be argued goes down with age as a rapid rate based off of choices, genetics etc.
I've existed in male dominated environments and have had male friends almost exclusively and have been rejected by every man I have asked out, and have never had a serious marriage proposal. So my 37 years of experience being female gives me a different perspective on the matter than your 24 years of being male.
I find that a lot of men who struggle socially have this idea that all women have all men in the palm of their hands, figuratively, and all men are so desperate that they would take any woman who showed interest in them, and that's really not the case. The average man has standards, just like the average woman. There are women the average man has no interest in dating, or may have an interest in dating, but no interest in marrying. I cannot just magically snap my fingers and make the man of my choice, or any man for that matter, marry me.
Yes this is very true. I'm in the same situation.
Men don't see what is really going on in women's lives. They just assume and we are meant to take their assumptions as fact.
In saying that I don't doubt their tales of meeting materialistic women and when they tell me of the horrible things women have said to them I believe them.
But they need to believe us women when we tell them we don't have a golden ticket either
It's funny how they say 'women can choose whoever they want and men have to dance for them.' But all my single female friends who constantly get overlooked for someone 'better' feel the same way, that men get to choose anyone they want and we have to constantly jump through hoops for the men. And even then we're never good enough and I know so many women who have just given up.
They are sick of have their self esteem crushed and they're sick of being treated like they're unappealing. They don't want their self worth to be measured by a man. And these are clever, down to earth, non-materialistic women. Not gold diggers or harpies.
I know you won't like this, but the reason I am always skeptical of this, is because the women I know who say they can't get a man, easily could, they just completely overlook the men who are willing to date them.
That is a game that both men and women play, and it comes down to the fact that most people do have standards, both men and women. When they say they can't find someone, they mean someone who meets certain standards. I've observed though, that a lot of young men who struggle socially, don't recognize that they also often have standards. For example, he might think he will take any girl who wants him, but when I probe deeper, I usually find that that's not the case at all and he excludes a large portion of the female population from his idea of girl/woman, with respect to both sex and relationships.
For example, someone like this girl might be ok...she's not a super model, not a conventional girl, and not very feminine, but not horrible either.
But someone like this would not be...
I wouldn't call her hideous. Maybe she's a nice lady. But she's old and severely overweight and I think most young guys who say they will take any woman would throw an exception when presented with this one.
As for me, there certainly are men I would not only not approach, but reject, such as pedophiles, violent men, men who don't bathe or brush their teeth, men who are too old for me, men who are racist, men who lead very unhealthy or dangerous lifestyles, men who are dishonest, and so on.
Closet Genious wrote:
The problem is that they want the men, that get plenty of female attention already.
And same with a lot of men who want women who get a lot of male attention already.
15 Oct 2017, 4:08 am
15 Oct 2017, 4:11 am
Chronos wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Chronos wrote:
SilverBoltsisWmax wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Aspie1 wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Anyway. Would one really get satisfaction from a life of working a low paid entry level job?
hurtloam wrote:
I don't think the answer is to separate ourselves more. We should be finding ways, men and women, to work together and find common ground and ways to get along with each other better.
I mean how can we become more respectful of each other. Obviously young men are feeling worthless and unloved. that's not good for society. We have a big problem. Being cold towards one another isn't the answer.
I mean how can we become more respectful of each other. Obviously young men are feeling worthless and unloved. that's not good for society. We have a big problem. Being cold towards one another isn't the answer.
A "nice" job is often necessary to keep up with a girlfriend's or wife's demands. Big house, fancy car, engagement ring, jewelry for the anniversary, birthday presents, pricey Valentine's Day dinners, etc, etc, etc. Not to mention, high-paying jobs are often pretty stressful. If a man doesn't have anyone pushing all those demands and doesn't seek out romantic partners, a high-paid job becomes borderline unnecessary. A simple, low-stress job is just enough to maintain a man's lifestyle: a small but comfortable house, an inexpensive reliable car, and some extra cash for weekend outings.
I think we as a society already crossed the point of no return; the relationship between sexes at large is too damaged to repair in one generation's lifetime. Because my generation is basically out of luck, I'm choosing to keep a safe distance and watch the circus unfold. Just like Guy Montag in the closing scene of "Fahrenheit 451", where he watches his city get carpet-bombed, while standing in the safety of the countryside, talking to Book People.
Oh, and for the records, I have women friends who think highly of me. I just refuse to have anything to do with romantic or sexual relationships. In which case, I can't help but snicker at young men falling over themselves trying to find a sex partner or a girlfriend. Even though I was just like that 15 years ago.
Oh I don't doubt you guys are quite nice in real life. I used to work with a red pill guy and he's lovely.i really like him. I just feel that he must have been really hurt at some point to have had to delve into such a separatist ideology. I had to unfollow him on Facebook because I couldn't take the negativity of the things he liked.
The existence of women hurt men. Men who believe in the law of equivalent exchange are hurt by what women represent each day. The thing that makes men get upset is not that women control the power, it's that so many disregard the fact they do, as if they don't because they don't care or are actually that stupid.
Men see how other men who can easily sway women act, and cannot understand how women fall prey to this over and over, because logically it makes zero sense. But again....just goes back to people being generally stupid. I would go so far as to say, no woman should ever be unmarried past 25-30 unless by direct choice for a strong reason. Every woman who isn't and says it's because of men just isn't smart enough to understand her own power maybe even her own previous power, as women's power can be argued goes down with age as a rapid rate based off of choices, genetics etc.
I've existed in male dominated environments and have had male friends almost exclusively and have been rejected by every man I have asked out, and have never had a serious marriage proposal. So my 37 years of experience being female gives me a different perspective on the matter than your 24 years of being male.
I find that a lot of men who struggle socially have this idea that all women have all men in the palm of their hands, figuratively, and all men are so desperate that they would take any woman who showed interest in them, and that's really not the case. The average man has standards, just like the average woman. There are women the average man has no interest in dating, or may have an interest in dating, but no interest in marrying. I cannot just magically snap my fingers and make the man of my choice, or any man for that matter, marry me.
Yes this is very true. I'm in the same situation.
Men don't see what is really going on in women's lives. They just assume and we are meant to take their assumptions as fact.
In saying that I don't doubt their tales of meeting materialistic women and when they tell me of the horrible things women have said to them I believe them.
But they need to believe us women when we tell them we don't have a golden ticket either
It's funny how they say 'women can choose whoever they want and men have to dance for them.' But all my single female friends who constantly get overlooked for someone 'better' feel the same way, that men get to choose anyone they want and we have to constantly jump through hoops for the men. And even then we're never good enough and I know so many women who have just given up.
They are sick of have their self esteem crushed and they're sick of being treated like they're unappealing. They don't want their self worth to be measured by a man. And these are clever, down to earth, non-materialistic women. Not gold diggers or harpies.
I know you won't like this, but the reason I am always skeptical of this, is because the women I know who say they can't get a man, easily could, they just completely overlook the men who are willing to date them.
That is a game that both men and women play, and it comes down to the fact that most people do have standards, both men and women. When they say they can't find someone, they mean someone who meets certain standards. I've observed though, that a lot of young men who struggle socially, don't recognize that they also often have standards. For example, he might think he will take any girl who wants him, but when I probe deeper, I usually find that that's not the case at all and he excludes a large portion of the female population from his idea of girl/woman, with respect to both sex and relationships.
For example, someone like this girl might be ok...she's not a super model, not a conventional girl, and not very feminine, but not horrible either.
But someone like this would not be...
I wouldn't call her hideous. Maybe she's a nice lady. But she's old and severely overweight and I think most young guys who say they will take any woman would throw an exception when presented with this one.
As for me, there certainly are men I would not only not approach, but reject, such as pedophiles, violent men, men who don't bathe or brush their teeth, men who are too old for me, men who are racist, men who lead very unhealthy or dangerous lifestyles, men who are dishonest, and so on.
Closet Genious wrote:
The problem is that they want the men, that get plenty of female attention already.
And same with a lot of men who want women who get a lot of male attention already.
I agree that both genders have standards, but you are completely wrong about that last part.
Men don't care at all about other men being interested. Women care because it serves as proof of social status, also called social proofing. Men are not attracted to status.
15 Oct 2017, 4:15 am
Closet Genious wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Chronos wrote:
SilverBoltsisWmax wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Aspie1 wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Anyway. Would one really get satisfaction from a life of working a low paid entry level job?
hurtloam wrote:
I don't think the answer is to separate ourselves more. We should be finding ways, men and women, to work together and find common ground and ways to get along with each other better.
I mean how can we become more respectful of each other. Obviously young men are feeling worthless and unloved. that's not good for society. We have a big problem. Being cold towards one another isn't the answer.
I mean how can we become more respectful of each other. Obviously young men are feeling worthless and unloved. that's not good for society. We have a big problem. Being cold towards one another isn't the answer.
A "nice" job is often necessary to keep up with a girlfriend's or wife's demands. Big house, fancy car, engagement ring, jewelry for the anniversary, birthday presents, pricey Valentine's Day dinners, etc, etc, etc. Not to mention, high-paying jobs are often pretty stressful. If a man doesn't have anyone pushing all those demands and doesn't seek out romantic partners, a high-paid job becomes borderline unnecessary. A simple, low-stress job is just enough to maintain a man's lifestyle: a small but comfortable house, an inexpensive reliable car, and some extra cash for weekend outings.
I think we as a society already crossed the point of no return; the relationship between sexes at large is too damaged to repair in one generation's lifetime. Because my generation is basically out of luck, I'm choosing to keep a safe distance and watch the circus unfold. Just like Guy Montag in the closing scene of "Fahrenheit 451", where he watches his city get carpet-bombed, while standing in the safety of the countryside, talking to Book People.
Oh, and for the records, I have women friends who think highly of me. I just refuse to have anything to do with romantic or sexual relationships. In which case, I can't help but snicker at young men falling over themselves trying to find a sex partner or a girlfriend. Even though I was just like that 15 years ago.
Oh I don't doubt you guys are quite nice in real life. I used to work with a red pill guy and he's lovely.i really like him. I just feel that he must have been really hurt at some point to have had to delve into such a separatist ideology. I had to unfollow him on Facebook because I couldn't take the negativity of the things he liked.
The existence of women hurt men. Men who believe in the law of equivalent exchange are hurt by what women represent each day. The thing that makes men get upset is not that women control the power, it's that so many disregard the fact they do, as if they don't because they don't care or are actually that stupid.
Men see how other men who can easily sway women act, and cannot understand how women fall prey to this over and over, because logically it makes zero sense. But again....just goes back to people being generally stupid. I would go so far as to say, no woman should ever be unmarried past 25-30 unless by direct choice for a strong reason. Every woman who isn't and says it's because of men just isn't smart enough to understand her own power maybe even her own previous power, as women's power can be argued goes down with age as a rapid rate based off of choices, genetics etc.
I've existed in male dominated environments and have had male friends almost exclusively and have been rejected by every man I have asked out, and have never had a serious marriage proposal. So my 37 years of experience being female gives me a different perspective on the matter than your 24 years of being male.
I find that a lot of men who struggle socially have this idea that all women have all men in the palm of their hands, figuratively, and all men are so desperate that they would take any woman who showed interest in them, and that's really not the case. The average man has standards, just like the average woman. There are women the average man has no interest in dating, or may have an interest in dating, but no interest in marrying. I cannot just magically snap my fingers and make the man of my choice, or any man for that matter, marry me.
Yes this is very true. I'm in the same situation.
Men don't see what is really going on in women's lives. They just assume and we are meant to take their assumptions as fact.
In saying that I don't doubt their tales of meeting materialistic women and when they tell me of the horrible things women have said to them I believe them.
But they need to believe us women when we tell them we don't have a golden ticket either
It's funny how they say 'women can choose whoever they want and men have to dance for them.' But all my single female friends who constantly get overlooked for someone 'better' feel the same way, that men get to choose anyone they want and we have to constantly jump through hoops for the men. And even then we're never good enough and I know so many women who have just given up.
They are sick of have their self esteem crushed and they're sick of being treated like they're unappealing. They don't want their self worth to be measured by a man. And these are clever, down to earth, non-materialistic women. Not gold diggers or harpies.
I know you won't like this, but the reason I am always skeptical of this, is because the women I know who say they can't get a man, easily could, they just completely overlook the men who are willing to date them.
That is a game that both men and women play, and it comes down to the fact that most people do have standards, both men and women. When they say they can't find someone, they mean someone who meets certain standards. I've observed though, that a lot of young men who struggle socially, don't recognize that they also often have standards. For example, he might think he will take any girl who wants him, but when I probe deeper, I usually find that that's not the case at all and he excludes a large portion of the female population from his idea of girl/woman, with respect to both sex and relationships.
For example, someone like this girl might be ok...she's not a super model, not a conventional girl, and not very feminine, but not horrible either.
But someone like this would not be...
I wouldn't call her hideous. Maybe she's a nice lady. But she's old and severely overweight and I think most young guys who say they will take any woman would throw an exception when presented with this one.
As for me, there certainly are men I would not only not approach, but reject, such as pedophiles, violent men, men who don't bathe or brush their teeth, men who are too old for me, men who are racist, men who lead very unhealthy or dangerous lifestyles, men who are dishonest, and so on.
Closet Genious wrote:
The problem is that they want the men, that get plenty of female attention already.
And same with a lot of men who want women who get a lot of male attention already.
I agree that both genders have standards, but you are completely wrong about that last part.
Men don't care at all about other men being interested. Women care because it serves as proof of social status, also called social proofing. Men are not attracted to status.
Where did anyone say anything about men caring about other men being interested?
You said
Closet Genious wrote:
The problem is that they want the men, that get plenty of female attention already.
And I said the same situation exists for men, where a lot of them want women who get plenty of male attention already.
15 Oct 2017, 4:20 am
Chronos wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Chronos wrote:
SilverBoltsisWmax wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Aspie1 wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Anyway. Would one really get satisfaction from a life of working a low paid entry level job?
hurtloam wrote:
I don't think the answer is to separate ourselves more. We should be finding ways, men and women, to work together and find common ground and ways to get along with each other better.
I mean how can we become more respectful of each other. Obviously young men are feeling worthless and unloved. that's not good for society. We have a big problem. Being cold towards one another isn't the answer.
I mean how can we become more respectful of each other. Obviously young men are feeling worthless and unloved. that's not good for society. We have a big problem. Being cold towards one another isn't the answer.
A "nice" job is often necessary to keep up with a girlfriend's or wife's demands. Big house, fancy car, engagement ring, jewelry for the anniversary, birthday presents, pricey Valentine's Day dinners, etc, etc, etc. Not to mention, high-paying jobs are often pretty stressful. If a man doesn't have anyone pushing all those demands and doesn't seek out romantic partners, a high-paid job becomes borderline unnecessary. A simple, low-stress job is just enough to maintain a man's lifestyle: a small but comfortable house, an inexpensive reliable car, and some extra cash for weekend outings.
I think we as a society already crossed the point of no return; the relationship between sexes at large is too damaged to repair in one generation's lifetime. Because my generation is basically out of luck, I'm choosing to keep a safe distance and watch the circus unfold. Just like Guy Montag in the closing scene of "Fahrenheit 451", where he watches his city get carpet-bombed, while standing in the safety of the countryside, talking to Book People.
Oh, and for the records, I have women friends who think highly of me. I just refuse to have anything to do with romantic or sexual relationships. In which case, I can't help but snicker at young men falling over themselves trying to find a sex partner or a girlfriend. Even though I was just like that 15 years ago.
Oh I don't doubt you guys are quite nice in real life. I used to work with a red pill guy and he's lovely.i really like him. I just feel that he must have been really hurt at some point to have had to delve into such a separatist ideology. I had to unfollow him on Facebook because I couldn't take the negativity of the things he liked.
The existence of women hurt men. Men who believe in the law of equivalent exchange are hurt by what women represent each day. The thing that makes men get upset is not that women control the power, it's that so many disregard the fact they do, as if they don't because they don't care or are actually that stupid.
Men see how other men who can easily sway women act, and cannot understand how women fall prey to this over and over, because logically it makes zero sense. But again....just goes back to people being generally stupid. I would go so far as to say, no woman should ever be unmarried past 25-30 unless by direct choice for a strong reason. Every woman who isn't and says it's because of men just isn't smart enough to understand her own power maybe even her own previous power, as women's power can be argued goes down with age as a rapid rate based off of choices, genetics etc.
I've existed in male dominated environments and have had male friends almost exclusively and have been rejected by every man I have asked out, and have never had a serious marriage proposal. So my 37 years of experience being female gives me a different perspective on the matter than your 24 years of being male.
I find that a lot of men who struggle socially have this idea that all women have all men in the palm of their hands, figuratively, and all men are so desperate that they would take any woman who showed interest in them, and that's really not the case. The average man has standards, just like the average woman. There are women the average man has no interest in dating, or may have an interest in dating, but no interest in marrying. I cannot just magically snap my fingers and make the man of my choice, or any man for that matter, marry me.
Yes this is very true. I'm in the same situation.
Men don't see what is really going on in women's lives. They just assume and we are meant to take their assumptions as fact.
In saying that I don't doubt their tales of meeting materialistic women and when they tell me of the horrible things women have said to them I believe them.
But they need to believe us women when we tell them we don't have a golden ticket either
It's funny how they say 'women can choose whoever they want and men have to dance for them.' But all my single female friends who constantly get overlooked for someone 'better' feel the same way, that men get to choose anyone they want and we have to constantly jump through hoops for the men. And even then we're never good enough and I know so many women who have just given up.
They are sick of have their self esteem crushed and they're sick of being treated like they're unappealing. They don't want their self worth to be measured by a man. And these are clever, down to earth, non-materialistic women. Not gold diggers or harpies.
I know you won't like this, but the reason I am always skeptical of this, is because the women I know who say they can't get a man, easily could, they just completely overlook the men who are willing to date them.
That is a game that both men and women play, and it comes down to the fact that most people do have standards, both men and women. When they say they can't find someone, they mean someone who meets certain standards. I've observed though, that a lot of young men who struggle socially, don't recognize that they also often have standards. For example, he might think he will take any girl who wants him, but when I probe deeper, I usually find that that's not the case at all and he excludes a large portion of the female population from his idea of girl/woman, with respect to both sex and relationships.
For example, someone like this girl might be ok...she's not a super model, not a conventional girl, and not very feminine, but not horrible either.
But someone like this would not be...
I wouldn't call her hideous. Maybe she's a nice lady. But she's old and severely overweight and I think most young guys who say they will take any woman would throw an exception when presented with this one.
As for me, there certainly are men I would not only not approach, but reject, such as pedophiles, violent men, men who don't bathe or brush their teeth, men who are too old for me, men who are racist, men who lead very unhealthy or dangerous lifestyles, men who are dishonest, and so on.
Closet Genious wrote:
The problem is that they want the men, that get plenty of female attention already.
And same with a lot of men who want women who get a lot of male attention already.
I agree that both genders have standards, but you are completely wrong about that last part.
Men don't care at all about other men being interested. Women care because it serves as proof of social status, also called social proofing. Men are not attracted to status.
Where did anyone say anything about men caring about other men being interested?
You said
Closet Genious wrote:
The problem is that they want the men, that get plenty of female attention already.
And I said the same situation exists for men, where a lot of them want women who get plenty of male attention already.
Okay, we can spend all day nit picking my posts, english is my third language.
Women get more attracted to men because they already get female attention.
A "hot" woman might get alot of male attention, and alot of males might want that woman, but not because of the male attention she gets. Men simply don't care about that.
15 Oct 2017, 4:28 am
Closet Genious wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Chronos wrote:
SilverBoltsisWmax wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Aspie1 wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Anyway. Would one really get satisfaction from a life of working a low paid entry level job?
hurtloam wrote:
I don't think the answer is to separate ourselves more. We should be finding ways, men and women, to work together and find common ground and ways to get along with each other better.
I mean how can we become more respectful of each other. Obviously young men are feeling worthless and unloved. that's not good for society. We have a big problem. Being cold towards one another isn't the answer.
I mean how can we become more respectful of each other. Obviously young men are feeling worthless and unloved. that's not good for society. We have a big problem. Being cold towards one another isn't the answer.
A "nice" job is often necessary to keep up with a girlfriend's or wife's demands. Big house, fancy car, engagement ring, jewelry for the anniversary, birthday presents, pricey Valentine's Day dinners, etc, etc, etc. Not to mention, high-paying jobs are often pretty stressful. If a man doesn't have anyone pushing all those demands and doesn't seek out romantic partners, a high-paid job becomes borderline unnecessary. A simple, low-stress job is just enough to maintain a man's lifestyle: a small but comfortable house, an inexpensive reliable car, and some extra cash for weekend outings.
I think we as a society already crossed the point of no return; the relationship between sexes at large is too damaged to repair in one generation's lifetime. Because my generation is basically out of luck, I'm choosing to keep a safe distance and watch the circus unfold. Just like Guy Montag in the closing scene of "Fahrenheit 451", where he watches his city get carpet-bombed, while standing in the safety of the countryside, talking to Book People.
Oh, and for the records, I have women friends who think highly of me. I just refuse to have anything to do with romantic or sexual relationships. In which case, I can't help but snicker at young men falling over themselves trying to find a sex partner or a girlfriend. Even though I was just like that 15 years ago.
Oh I don't doubt you guys are quite nice in real life. I used to work with a red pill guy and he's lovely.i really like him. I just feel that he must have been really hurt at some point to have had to delve into such a separatist ideology. I had to unfollow him on Facebook because I couldn't take the negativity of the things he liked.
The existence of women hurt men. Men who believe in the law of equivalent exchange are hurt by what women represent each day. The thing that makes men get upset is not that women control the power, it's that so many disregard the fact they do, as if they don't because they don't care or are actually that stupid.
Men see how other men who can easily sway women act, and cannot understand how women fall prey to this over and over, because logically it makes zero sense. But again....just goes back to people being generally stupid. I would go so far as to say, no woman should ever be unmarried past 25-30 unless by direct choice for a strong reason. Every woman who isn't and says it's because of men just isn't smart enough to understand her own power maybe even her own previous power, as women's power can be argued goes down with age as a rapid rate based off of choices, genetics etc.
I've existed in male dominated environments and have had male friends almost exclusively and have been rejected by every man I have asked out, and have never had a serious marriage proposal. So my 37 years of experience being female gives me a different perspective on the matter than your 24 years of being male.
I find that a lot of men who struggle socially have this idea that all women have all men in the palm of their hands, figuratively, and all men are so desperate that they would take any woman who showed interest in them, and that's really not the case. The average man has standards, just like the average woman. There are women the average man has no interest in dating, or may have an interest in dating, but no interest in marrying. I cannot just magically snap my fingers and make the man of my choice, or any man for that matter, marry me.
Yes this is very true. I'm in the same situation.
Men don't see what is really going on in women's lives. They just assume and we are meant to take their assumptions as fact.
In saying that I don't doubt their tales of meeting materialistic women and when they tell me of the horrible things women have said to them I believe them.
But they need to believe us women when we tell them we don't have a golden ticket either
It's funny how they say 'women can choose whoever they want and men have to dance for them.' But all my single female friends who constantly get overlooked for someone 'better' feel the same way, that men get to choose anyone they want and we have to constantly jump through hoops for the men. And even then we're never good enough and I know so many women who have just given up.
They are sick of have their self esteem crushed and they're sick of being treated like they're unappealing. They don't want their self worth to be measured by a man. And these are clever, down to earth, non-materialistic women. Not gold diggers or harpies.
I know you won't like this, but the reason I am always skeptical of this, is because the women I know who say they can't get a man, easily could, they just completely overlook the men who are willing to date them.
That is a game that both men and women play, and it comes down to the fact that most people do have standards, both men and women. When they say they can't find someone, they mean someone who meets certain standards. I've observed though, that a lot of young men who struggle socially, don't recognize that they also often have standards. For example, he might think he will take any girl who wants him, but when I probe deeper, I usually find that that's not the case at all and he excludes a large portion of the female population from his idea of girl/woman, with respect to both sex and relationships.
For example, someone like this girl might be ok...she's not a super model, not a conventional girl, and not very feminine, but not horrible either.
But someone like this would not be...
I wouldn't call her hideous. Maybe she's a nice lady. But she's old and severely overweight and I think most young guys who say they will take any woman would throw an exception when presented with this one.
As for me, there certainly are men I would not only not approach, but reject, such as pedophiles, violent men, men who don't bathe or brush their teeth, men who are too old for me, men who are racist, men who lead very unhealthy or dangerous lifestyles, men who are dishonest, and so on.
Closet Genious wrote:
The problem is that they want the men, that get plenty of female attention already.
And same with a lot of men who want women who get a lot of male attention already.
I agree that both genders have standards, but you are completely wrong about that last part.
Men don't care at all about other men being interested. Women care because it serves as proof of social status, also called social proofing. Men are not attracted to status.
Where did anyone say anything about men caring about other men being interested?
You said
Closet Genious wrote:
The problem is that they want the men, that get plenty of female attention already.
And I said the same situation exists for men, where a lot of them want women who get plenty of male attention already.
Okay, we can spend all day nit picking my posts, english is my third language.
Women get more attracted to men because they already get female attention.
A "hot" woman might get alot of male attention, and alot of males might want that woman, but not because of the male attention she gets. Men simply don't care about that.
Are you saying that when a woman see's a man getting a lot of attention from other women, that she wants him more?
It's possible but probably not for the reason you might think. It's not unusual for women to have some degree of wariness or fear of men and if she see's many other women interacting with him, she may be more likely to think he is "safe". She may also be more likely to think he has some desirable qualities. But only to a point. If he has a lot of women interacting with him, and he seems like he would be a good catch, but is single, she might start to wonder about him. In the two instances I have come across a situation like this, the first man turned out to be a pedophile and the second man turned out to be gay.
15 Oct 2017, 4:40 am
Chronos wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Chronos wrote:
SilverBoltsisWmax wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Aspie1 wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Anyway. Would one really get satisfaction from a life of working a low paid entry level job?
hurtloam wrote:
I don't think the answer is to separate ourselves more. We should be finding ways, men and women, to work together and find common ground and ways to get along with each other better.
I mean how can we become more respectful of each other. Obviously young men are feeling worthless and unloved. that's not good for society. We have a big problem. Being cold towards one another isn't the answer.
I mean how can we become more respectful of each other. Obviously young men are feeling worthless and unloved. that's not good for society. We have a big problem. Being cold towards one another isn't the answer.
A "nice" job is often necessary to keep up with a girlfriend's or wife's demands. Big house, fancy car, engagement ring, jewelry for the anniversary, birthday presents, pricey Valentine's Day dinners, etc, etc, etc. Not to mention, high-paying jobs are often pretty stressful. If a man doesn't have anyone pushing all those demands and doesn't seek out romantic partners, a high-paid job becomes borderline unnecessary. A simple, low-stress job is just enough to maintain a man's lifestyle: a small but comfortable house, an inexpensive reliable car, and some extra cash for weekend outings.
I think we as a society already crossed the point of no return; the relationship between sexes at large is too damaged to repair in one generation's lifetime. Because my generation is basically out of luck, I'm choosing to keep a safe distance and watch the circus unfold. Just like Guy Montag in the closing scene of "Fahrenheit 451", where he watches his city get carpet-bombed, while standing in the safety of the countryside, talking to Book People.
Oh, and for the records, I have women friends who think highly of me. I just refuse to have anything to do with romantic or sexual relationships. In which case, I can't help but snicker at young men falling over themselves trying to find a sex partner or a girlfriend. Even though I was just like that 15 years ago.
Oh I don't doubt you guys are quite nice in real life. I used to work with a red pill guy and he's lovely.i really like him. I just feel that he must have been really hurt at some point to have had to delve into such a separatist ideology. I had to unfollow him on Facebook because I couldn't take the negativity of the things he liked.
The existence of women hurt men. Men who believe in the law of equivalent exchange are hurt by what women represent each day. The thing that makes men get upset is not that women control the power, it's that so many disregard the fact they do, as if they don't because they don't care or are actually that stupid.
Men see how other men who can easily sway women act, and cannot understand how women fall prey to this over and over, because logically it makes zero sense. But again....just goes back to people being generally stupid. I would go so far as to say, no woman should ever be unmarried past 25-30 unless by direct choice for a strong reason. Every woman who isn't and says it's because of men just isn't smart enough to understand her own power maybe even her own previous power, as women's power can be argued goes down with age as a rapid rate based off of choices, genetics etc.
I've existed in male dominated environments and have had male friends almost exclusively and have been rejected by every man I have asked out, and have never had a serious marriage proposal. So my 37 years of experience being female gives me a different perspective on the matter than your 24 years of being male.
I find that a lot of men who struggle socially have this idea that all women have all men in the palm of their hands, figuratively, and all men are so desperate that they would take any woman who showed interest in them, and that's really not the case. The average man has standards, just like the average woman. There are women the average man has no interest in dating, or may have an interest in dating, but no interest in marrying. I cannot just magically snap my fingers and make the man of my choice, or any man for that matter, marry me.
Yes this is very true. I'm in the same situation.
Men don't see what is really going on in women's lives. They just assume and we are meant to take their assumptions as fact.
In saying that I don't doubt their tales of meeting materialistic women and when they tell me of the horrible things women have said to them I believe them.
But they need to believe us women when we tell them we don't have a golden ticket either
It's funny how they say 'women can choose whoever they want and men have to dance for them.' But all my single female friends who constantly get overlooked for someone 'better' feel the same way, that men get to choose anyone they want and we have to constantly jump through hoops for the men. And even then we're never good enough and I know so many women who have just given up.
They are sick of have their self esteem crushed and they're sick of being treated like they're unappealing. They don't want their self worth to be measured by a man. And these are clever, down to earth, non-materialistic women. Not gold diggers or harpies.
I know you won't like this, but the reason I am always skeptical of this, is because the women I know who say they can't get a man, easily could, they just completely overlook the men who are willing to date them.
That is a game that both men and women play, and it comes down to the fact that most people do have standards, both men and women. When they say they can't find someone, they mean someone who meets certain standards. I've observed though, that a lot of young men who struggle socially, don't recognize that they also often have standards. For example, he might think he will take any girl who wants him, but when I probe deeper, I usually find that that's not the case at all and he excludes a large portion of the female population from his idea of girl/woman, with respect to both sex and relationships.
For example, someone like this girl might be ok...she's not a super model, not a conventional girl, and not very feminine, but not horrible either.
But someone like this would not be...
I wouldn't call her hideous. Maybe she's a nice lady. But she's old and severely overweight and I think most young guys who say they will take any woman would throw an exception when presented with this one.
As for me, there certainly are men I would not only not approach, but reject, such as pedophiles, violent men, men who don't bathe or brush their teeth, men who are too old for me, men who are racist, men who lead very unhealthy or dangerous lifestyles, men who are dishonest, and so on.
Closet Genious wrote:
The problem is that they want the men, that get plenty of female attention already.
And same with a lot of men who want women who get a lot of male attention already.
I agree that both genders have standards, but you are completely wrong about that last part.
Men don't care at all about other men being interested. Women care because it serves as proof of social status, also called social proofing. Men are not attracted to status.
Where did anyone say anything about men caring about other men being interested?
You said
Closet Genious wrote:
The problem is that they want the men, that get plenty of female attention already.
And I said the same situation exists for men, where a lot of them want women who get plenty of male attention already.
Okay, we can spend all day nit picking my posts, english is my third language.
Women get more attracted to men because they already get female attention.
A "hot" woman might get alot of male attention, and alot of males might want that woman, but not because of the male attention she gets. Men simply don't care about that.
Are you saying that when a woman see's a man getting a lot of attention from other women, that she wants him more?
It's possible but probably not for the reason you might think. It's not unusual for women to have some degree of wariness or fear of men and if she see's many other women interacting with him, she may be more likely to think he is "safe". She may also be more likely to think he has some desirable qualities. But only to a point. If he has a lot of women interacting with him, and he seems like he would be a good catch, but is single, she might start to wonder about him. In the two instances I have come across a situation like this, the first man turned out to be a pedophile and the second man turned out to be gay.
Him being safe is definitely part of it, the other part is that it will make women percieve him as having higher value.
I know all this, because when I go out with my sister and her friends, the way other women treat me is completely different than if I went out with my male friends. I know they probably either a) think I'm gay. or b) percieve me as being really popular with women.
All of this creates a feedback loop where the men who already get women, get even more women. This is why I love going out with females, because it makes other females treat me as if I'm higher value than I actually am. The difference is very noticeable to say the least.
15 Oct 2017, 4:43 am
Closet Genious wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Chronos wrote:
SilverBoltsisWmax wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Aspie1 wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Anyway. Would one really get satisfaction from a life of working a low paid entry level job?
hurtloam wrote:
I don't think the answer is to separate ourselves more. We should be finding ways, men and women, to work together and find common ground and ways to get along with each other better.
I mean how can we become more respectful of each other. Obviously young men are feeling worthless and unloved. that's not good for society. We have a big problem. Being cold towards one another isn't the answer.
I mean how can we become more respectful of each other. Obviously young men are feeling worthless and unloved. that's not good for society. We have a big problem. Being cold towards one another isn't the answer.
A "nice" job is often necessary to keep up with a girlfriend's or wife's demands. Big house, fancy car, engagement ring, jewelry for the anniversary, birthday presents, pricey Valentine's Day dinners, etc, etc, etc. Not to mention, high-paying jobs are often pretty stressful. If a man doesn't have anyone pushing all those demands and doesn't seek out romantic partners, a high-paid job becomes borderline unnecessary. A simple, low-stress job is just enough to maintain a man's lifestyle: a small but comfortable house, an inexpensive reliable car, and some extra cash for weekend outings.
I think we as a society already crossed the point of no return; the relationship between sexes at large is too damaged to repair in one generation's lifetime. Because my generation is basically out of luck, I'm choosing to keep a safe distance and watch the circus unfold. Just like Guy Montag in the closing scene of "Fahrenheit 451", where he watches his city get carpet-bombed, while standing in the safety of the countryside, talking to Book People.
Oh, and for the records, I have women friends who think highly of me. I just refuse to have anything to do with romantic or sexual relationships. In which case, I can't help but snicker at young men falling over themselves trying to find a sex partner or a girlfriend. Even though I was just like that 15 years ago.
Oh I don't doubt you guys are quite nice in real life. I used to work with a red pill guy and he's lovely.i really like him. I just feel that he must have been really hurt at some point to have had to delve into such a separatist ideology. I had to unfollow him on Facebook because I couldn't take the negativity of the things he liked.
The existence of women hurt men. Men who believe in the law of equivalent exchange are hurt by what women represent each day. The thing that makes men get upset is not that women control the power, it's that so many disregard the fact they do, as if they don't because they don't care or are actually that stupid.
Men see how other men who can easily sway women act, and cannot understand how women fall prey to this over and over, because logically it makes zero sense. But again....just goes back to people being generally stupid. I would go so far as to say, no woman should ever be unmarried past 25-30 unless by direct choice for a strong reason. Every woman who isn't and says it's because of men just isn't smart enough to understand her own power maybe even her own previous power, as women's power can be argued goes down with age as a rapid rate based off of choices, genetics etc.
I've existed in male dominated environments and have had male friends almost exclusively and have been rejected by every man I have asked out, and have never had a serious marriage proposal. So my 37 years of experience being female gives me a different perspective on the matter than your 24 years of being male.
I find that a lot of men who struggle socially have this idea that all women have all men in the palm of their hands, figuratively, and all men are so desperate that they would take any woman who showed interest in them, and that's really not the case. The average man has standards, just like the average woman. There are women the average man has no interest in dating, or may have an interest in dating, but no interest in marrying. I cannot just magically snap my fingers and make the man of my choice, or any man for that matter, marry me.
Yes this is very true. I'm in the same situation.
Men don't see what is really going on in women's lives. They just assume and we are meant to take their assumptions as fact.
In saying that I don't doubt their tales of meeting materialistic women and when they tell me of the horrible things women have said to them I believe them.
But they need to believe us women when we tell them we don't have a golden ticket either
It's funny how they say 'women can choose whoever they want and men have to dance for them.' But all my single female friends who constantly get overlooked for someone 'better' feel the same way, that men get to choose anyone they want and we have to constantly jump through hoops for the men. And even then we're never good enough and I know so many women who have just given up.
They are sick of have their self esteem crushed and they're sick of being treated like they're unappealing. They don't want their self worth to be measured by a man. And these are clever, down to earth, non-materialistic women. Not gold diggers or harpies.
I know you won't like this, but the reason I am always skeptical of this, is because the women I know who say they can't get a man, easily could, they just completely overlook the men who are willing to date them.
That is a game that both men and women play, and it comes down to the fact that most people do have standards, both men and women. When they say they can't find someone, they mean someone who meets certain standards. I've observed though, that a lot of young men who struggle socially, don't recognize that they also often have standards. For example, he might think he will take any girl who wants him, but when I probe deeper, I usually find that that's not the case at all and he excludes a large portion of the female population from his idea of girl/woman, with respect to both sex and relationships.
For example, someone like this girl might be ok...she's not a super model, not a conventional girl, and not very feminine, but not horrible either.
But someone like this would not be...
I wouldn't call her hideous. Maybe she's a nice lady. But she's old and severely overweight and I think most young guys who say they will take any woman would throw an exception when presented with this one.
As for me, there certainly are men I would not only not approach, but reject, such as pedophiles, violent men, men who don't bathe or brush their teeth, men who are too old for me, men who are racist, men who lead very unhealthy or dangerous lifestyles, men who are dishonest, and so on.
Closet Genious wrote:
The problem is that they want the men, that get plenty of female attention already.
And same with a lot of men who want women who get a lot of male attention already.
I agree that both genders have standards, but you are completely wrong about that last part.
Men don't care at all about other men being interested. Women care because it serves as proof of social status, also called social proofing. Men are not attracted to status.
Where did anyone say anything about men caring about other men being interested?
You said
Closet Genious wrote:
The problem is that they want the men, that get plenty of female attention already.
And I said the same situation exists for men, where a lot of them want women who get plenty of male attention already.
Okay, we can spend all day nit picking my posts, english is my third language.
Women get more attracted to men because they already get female attention.
A "hot" woman might get alot of male attention, and alot of males might want that woman, but not because of the male attention she gets. Men simply don't care about that.
Are you saying that when a woman see's a man getting a lot of attention from other women, that she wants him more?
It's possible but probably not for the reason you might think. It's not unusual for women to have some degree of wariness or fear of men and if she see's many other women interacting with him, she may be more likely to think he is "safe". She may also be more likely to think he has some desirable qualities. But only to a point. If he has a lot of women interacting with him, and he seems like he would be a good catch, but is single, she might start to wonder about him. In the two instances I have come across a situation like this, the first man turned out to be a pedophile and the second man turned out to be gay.
Him being safe is definitely part of it, the other part is that it will make women percieve him as having higher value.
I know all this, because when I go out with my sister and her friends, the way other women treat me is completely different than if I went out with my male friends. I know they probably either a) think I'm gay. or b) percieve me as being really popular with women.
All of this creates a feedback loop where the men who already get women, get even more women. This is why I love going out with females, because it makes other females treat me as if I'm higher value than I actually am. The difference is very noticeable to say the least.
I don't know that females think of it in terms of him having higher value. I think the safety issue comes into play a lot more here. A group of men can be very intimidating for a woman.
15 Oct 2017, 5:09 am
Chronos wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Chronos wrote:
SilverBoltsisWmax wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Aspie1 wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Anyway. Would one really get satisfaction from a life of working a low paid entry level job?
hurtloam wrote:
I don't think the answer is to separate ourselves more. We should be finding ways, men and women, to work together and find common ground and ways to get along with each other better.
I mean how can we become more respectful of each other. Obviously young men are feeling worthless and unloved. that's not good for society. We have a big problem. Being cold towards one another isn't the answer.
I mean how can we become more respectful of each other. Obviously young men are feeling worthless and unloved. that's not good for society. We have a big problem. Being cold towards one another isn't the answer.
A "nice" job is often necessary to keep up with a girlfriend's or wife's demands. Big house, fancy car, engagement ring, jewelry for the anniversary, birthday presents, pricey Valentine's Day dinners, etc, etc, etc. Not to mention, high-paying jobs are often pretty stressful. If a man doesn't have anyone pushing all those demands and doesn't seek out romantic partners, a high-paid job becomes borderline unnecessary. A simple, low-stress job is just enough to maintain a man's lifestyle: a small but comfortable house, an inexpensive reliable car, and some extra cash for weekend outings.
I think we as a society already crossed the point of no return; the relationship between sexes at large is too damaged to repair in one generation's lifetime. Because my generation is basically out of luck, I'm choosing to keep a safe distance and watch the circus unfold. Just like Guy Montag in the closing scene of "Fahrenheit 451", where he watches his city get carpet-bombed, while standing in the safety of the countryside, talking to Book People.
Oh, and for the records, I have women friends who think highly of me. I just refuse to have anything to do with romantic or sexual relationships. In which case, I can't help but snicker at young men falling over themselves trying to find a sex partner or a girlfriend. Even though I was just like that 15 years ago.
Oh I don't doubt you guys are quite nice in real life. I used to work with a red pill guy and he's lovely.i really like him. I just feel that he must have been really hurt at some point to have had to delve into such a separatist ideology. I had to unfollow him on Facebook because I couldn't take the negativity of the things he liked.
The existence of women hurt men. Men who believe in the law of equivalent exchange are hurt by what women represent each day. The thing that makes men get upset is not that women control the power, it's that so many disregard the fact they do, as if they don't because they don't care or are actually that stupid.
Men see how other men who can easily sway women act, and cannot understand how women fall prey to this over and over, because logically it makes zero sense. But again....just goes back to people being generally stupid. I would go so far as to say, no woman should ever be unmarried past 25-30 unless by direct choice for a strong reason. Every woman who isn't and says it's because of men just isn't smart enough to understand her own power maybe even her own previous power, as women's power can be argued goes down with age as a rapid rate based off of choices, genetics etc.
I've existed in male dominated environments and have had male friends almost exclusively and have been rejected by every man I have asked out, and have never had a serious marriage proposal. So my 37 years of experience being female gives me a different perspective on the matter than your 24 years of being male.
I find that a lot of men who struggle socially have this idea that all women have all men in the palm of their hands, figuratively, and all men are so desperate that they would take any woman who showed interest in them, and that's really not the case. The average man has standards, just like the average woman. There are women the average man has no interest in dating, or may have an interest in dating, but no interest in marrying. I cannot just magically snap my fingers and make the man of my choice, or any man for that matter, marry me.
Yes this is very true. I'm in the same situation.
Men don't see what is really going on in women's lives. They just assume and we are meant to take their assumptions as fact.
In saying that I don't doubt their tales of meeting materialistic women and when they tell me of the horrible things women have said to them I believe them.
But they need to believe us women when we tell them we don't have a golden ticket either
It's funny how they say 'women can choose whoever they want and men have to dance for them.' But all my single female friends who constantly get overlooked for someone 'better' feel the same way, that men get to choose anyone they want and we have to constantly jump through hoops for the men. And even then we're never good enough and I know so many women who have just given up.
They are sick of have their self esteem crushed and they're sick of being treated like they're unappealing. They don't want their self worth to be measured by a man. And these are clever, down to earth, non-materialistic women. Not gold diggers or harpies.
I know you won't like this, but the reason I am always skeptical of this, is because the women I know who say they can't get a man, easily could, they just completely overlook the men who are willing to date them.
That is a game that both men and women play, and it comes down to the fact that most people do have standards, both men and women. When they say they can't find someone, they mean someone who meets certain standards. I've observed though, that a lot of young men who struggle socially, don't recognize that they also often have standards. For example, he might think he will take any girl who wants him, but when I probe deeper, I usually find that that's not the case at all and he excludes a large portion of the female population from his idea of girl/woman, with respect to both sex and relationships.
For example, someone like this girl might be ok...she's not a super model, not a conventional girl, and not very feminine, but not horrible either.
But someone like this would not be...
I wouldn't call her hideous. Maybe she's a nice lady. But she's old and severely overweight and I think most young guys who say they will take any woman would throw an exception when presented with this one.
As for me, there certainly are men I would not only not approach, but reject, such as pedophiles, violent men, men who don't bathe or brush their teeth, men who are too old for me, men who are racist, men who lead very unhealthy or dangerous lifestyles, men who are dishonest, and so on.
Closet Genious wrote:
The problem is that they want the men, that get plenty of female attention already.
And same with a lot of men who want women who get a lot of male attention already.
I agree that both genders have standards, but you are completely wrong about that last part.
Men don't care at all about other men being interested. Women care because it serves as proof of social status, also called social proofing. Men are not attracted to status.
Where did anyone say anything about men caring about other men being interested?
You said
Closet Genious wrote:
The problem is that they want the men, that get plenty of female attention already.
And I said the same situation exists for men, where a lot of them want women who get plenty of male attention already.
Okay, we can spend all day nit picking my posts, english is my third language.
Women get more attracted to men because they already get female attention.
A "hot" woman might get alot of male attention, and alot of males might want that woman, but not because of the male attention she gets. Men simply don't care about that.
Are you saying that when a woman see's a man getting a lot of attention from other women, that she wants him more?
It's possible but probably not for the reason you might think. It's not unusual for women to have some degree of wariness or fear of men and if she see's many other women interacting with him, she may be more likely to think he is "safe". She may also be more likely to think he has some desirable qualities. But only to a point. If he has a lot of women interacting with him, and he seems like he would be a good catch, but is single, she might start to wonder about him. In the two instances I have come across a situation like this, the first man turned out to be a pedophile and the second man turned out to be gay.
Him being safe is definitely part of it, the other part is that it will make women percieve him as having higher value.
I know all this, because when I go out with my sister and her friends, the way other women treat me is completely different than if I went out with my male friends. I know they probably either a) think I'm gay. or b) percieve me as being really popular with women.
All of this creates a feedback loop where the men who already get women, get even more women. This is why I love going out with females, because it makes other females treat me as if I'm higher value than I actually am. The difference is very noticeable to say the least.
I don't know that females think of it in terms of him having higher value. I think the safety issue comes into play a lot more here. A group of men can be very intimidating for a woman.
I disagree strongly, even if I just arrived at a party/bar with males, and then later on am by myself I get alot less attention, where as if I arrived with females it would be the opposite. It's not a safety issue if I am standing by myself.
It doesn't suprise me one bit though that you want to go towards the explanation that sounds most positive. That's just always how it is. But what you need to realize is that these mechanisms play out subconsciously. Women don't think consciously "He's interacting with other females, therefore he must be high value", all she knows is that he seems more attractive. She doesn't know why, she simply feels that way.
15 Oct 2017, 5:22 am
Closet Genious wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Chronos wrote:
SilverBoltsisWmax wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Aspie1 wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Anyway. Would one really get satisfaction from a life of working a low paid entry level job?
hurtloam wrote:
I don't think the answer is to separate ourselves more. We should be finding ways, men and women, to work together and find common ground and ways to get along with each other better.
I mean how can we become more respectful of each other. Obviously young men are feeling worthless and unloved. that's not good for society. We have a big problem. Being cold towards one another isn't the answer.
I mean how can we become more respectful of each other. Obviously young men are feeling worthless and unloved. that's not good for society. We have a big problem. Being cold towards one another isn't the answer.
A "nice" job is often necessary to keep up with a girlfriend's or wife's demands. Big house, fancy car, engagement ring, jewelry for the anniversary, birthday presents, pricey Valentine's Day dinners, etc, etc, etc. Not to mention, high-paying jobs are often pretty stressful. If a man doesn't have anyone pushing all those demands and doesn't seek out romantic partners, a high-paid job becomes borderline unnecessary. A simple, low-stress job is just enough to maintain a man's lifestyle: a small but comfortable house, an inexpensive reliable car, and some extra cash for weekend outings.
I think we as a society already crossed the point of no return; the relationship between sexes at large is too damaged to repair in one generation's lifetime. Because my generation is basically out of luck, I'm choosing to keep a safe distance and watch the circus unfold. Just like Guy Montag in the closing scene of "Fahrenheit 451", where he watches his city get carpet-bombed, while standing in the safety of the countryside, talking to Book People.
Oh, and for the records, I have women friends who think highly of me. I just refuse to have anything to do with romantic or sexual relationships. In which case, I can't help but snicker at young men falling over themselves trying to find a sex partner or a girlfriend. Even though I was just like that 15 years ago.
Oh I don't doubt you guys are quite nice in real life. I used to work with a red pill guy and he's lovely.i really like him. I just feel that he must have been really hurt at some point to have had to delve into such a separatist ideology. I had to unfollow him on Facebook because I couldn't take the negativity of the things he liked.
The existence of women hurt men. Men who believe in the law of equivalent exchange are hurt by what women represent each day. The thing that makes men get upset is not that women control the power, it's that so many disregard the fact they do, as if they don't because they don't care or are actually that stupid.
Men see how other men who can easily sway women act, and cannot understand how women fall prey to this over and over, because logically it makes zero sense. But again....just goes back to people being generally stupid. I would go so far as to say, no woman should ever be unmarried past 25-30 unless by direct choice for a strong reason. Every woman who isn't and says it's because of men just isn't smart enough to understand her own power maybe even her own previous power, as women's power can be argued goes down with age as a rapid rate based off of choices, genetics etc.
I've existed in male dominated environments and have had male friends almost exclusively and have been rejected by every man I have asked out, and have never had a serious marriage proposal. So my 37 years of experience being female gives me a different perspective on the matter than your 24 years of being male.
I find that a lot of men who struggle socially have this idea that all women have all men in the palm of their hands, figuratively, and all men are so desperate that they would take any woman who showed interest in them, and that's really not the case. The average man has standards, just like the average woman. There are women the average man has no interest in dating, or may have an interest in dating, but no interest in marrying. I cannot just magically snap my fingers and make the man of my choice, or any man for that matter, marry me.
Yes this is very true. I'm in the same situation.
Men don't see what is really going on in women's lives. They just assume and we are meant to take their assumptions as fact.
In saying that I don't doubt their tales of meeting materialistic women and when they tell me of the horrible things women have said to them I believe them.
But they need to believe us women when we tell them we don't have a golden ticket either
It's funny how they say 'women can choose whoever they want and men have to dance for them.' But all my single female friends who constantly get overlooked for someone 'better' feel the same way, that men get to choose anyone they want and we have to constantly jump through hoops for the men. And even then we're never good enough and I know so many women who have just given up.
They are sick of have their self esteem crushed and they're sick of being treated like they're unappealing. They don't want their self worth to be measured by a man. And these are clever, down to earth, non-materialistic women. Not gold diggers or harpies.
I know you won't like this, but the reason I am always skeptical of this, is because the women I know who say they can't get a man, easily could, they just completely overlook the men who are willing to date them.
That is a game that both men and women play, and it comes down to the fact that most people do have standards, both men and women. When they say they can't find someone, they mean someone who meets certain standards. I've observed though, that a lot of young men who struggle socially, don't recognize that they also often have standards. For example, he might think he will take any girl who wants him, but when I probe deeper, I usually find that that's not the case at all and he excludes a large portion of the female population from his idea of girl/woman, with respect to both sex and relationships.
For example, someone like this girl might be ok...she's not a super model, not a conventional girl, and not very feminine, but not horrible either.
But someone like this would not be...
I wouldn't call her hideous. Maybe she's a nice lady. But she's old and severely overweight and I think most young guys who say they will take any woman would throw an exception when presented with this one.
As for me, there certainly are men I would not only not approach, but reject, such as pedophiles, violent men, men who don't bathe or brush their teeth, men who are too old for me, men who are racist, men who lead very unhealthy or dangerous lifestyles, men who are dishonest, and so on.
Closet Genious wrote:
The problem is that they want the men, that get plenty of female attention already.
And same with a lot of men who want women who get a lot of male attention already.
I agree that both genders have standards, but you are completely wrong about that last part.
Men don't care at all about other men being interested. Women care because it serves as proof of social status, also called social proofing. Men are not attracted to status.
Where did anyone say anything about men caring about other men being interested?
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Closet Genious wrote:
The problem is that they want the men, that get plenty of female attention already.
And I said the same situation exists for men, where a lot of them want women who get plenty of male attention already.
Okay, we can spend all day nit picking my posts, english is my third language.
Women get more attracted to men because they already get female attention.
A "hot" woman might get alot of male attention, and alot of males might want that woman, but not because of the male attention she gets. Men simply don't care about that.
Are you saying that when a woman see's a man getting a lot of attention from other women, that she wants him more?
It's possible but probably not for the reason you might think. It's not unusual for women to have some degree of wariness or fear of men and if she see's many other women interacting with him, she may be more likely to think he is "safe". She may also be more likely to think he has some desirable qualities. But only to a point. If he has a lot of women interacting with him, and he seems like he would be a good catch, but is single, she might start to wonder about him. In the two instances I have come across a situation like this, the first man turned out to be a pedophile and the second man turned out to be gay.
Him being safe is definitely part of it, the other part is that it will make women percieve him as having higher value.
I know all this, because when I go out with my sister and her friends, the way other women treat me is completely different than if I went out with my male friends. I know they probably either a) think I'm gay. or b) percieve me as being really popular with women.
All of this creates a feedback loop where the men who already get women, get even more women. This is why I love going out with females, because it makes other females treat me as if I'm higher value than I actually am. The difference is very noticeable to say the least.
I don't know that females think of it in terms of him having higher value. I think the safety issue comes into play a lot more here. A group of men can be very intimidating for a woman.
I disagree strongly, even if I just arrived at a party/bar with males, and then later on am by myself I get alot less attention, where as if I arrived with females it would be the opposite. It's not a safety issue if I am standing by myself.
If you are surrounded by females you arrived with, you are less intimidating than if you were with a group of males or standing by yourself.
Closet Genious wrote:
It doesn't suprise me one bit though that you want to go towards the explanation that sounds most positive. That's just always how it is. But what you need to realize is that these mechanisms play out subconsciously. Women don't think consciously "He's interacting with other females, therefore he must be high value", all she knows is that he seems more attractive. She doesn't know why, she simply feels that way.
I am merely a female telling you that I think you are incorrect in some of your speculations on how many females think. I may not be the most typical female in the world, and I was probably more cut out to be a male, with my hypothetical "male brain" but I have sisters who interact with me and confide in me as a female and I am still burdened with the same dangers females face, such as male aggression, hostilities, and sexual predation towards females and most men seem to greatly underestimate how those threats shape female behavior.
