Would You Date Me?
The_Face_of_Boo
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This is more so once you are over 25.
This is not less so for women than for men.
If you are female and young and very pretty you will still get lots of dates, but people (including your dates) will still judge you as lazy.
If you are female and over 30 you are less likely to be questioned about why you aren't working full time than a male, until someone know you don't have kids, then they will judge you as lazy.
Nobody wants to date someone they think is lazy, unless they can afford to support them and think they are getting something worth it in return, ie someone stunning and usually younger.
I believe the being thought lazy is a much bigger problem than the actual lack of earnings (which don't help).
Being thought lazy is not the worse trait to have, however, but it is one that comes up very early in any relationship. I've never been on a date when a guy didn't comment on me working part time in some way. When younger with confusion, when older with something along the lines of 'so you just expect someone else to support you' (despite the fact that I had clearly stated that I support myself fully).
I've also been told by a previous boss that she didn't respect me because I didn't work full time. I reminded her that I was a writer on top of the 27 hrs I worked for her, she said that didn't count because I wasn't published.
I recommend something in your life that works as a counter to the false assumption of laziness. For me, my novel does help as far as most people judge, particularly since I finished it (I actually stopped working altogether to achieve this). Basically something to account for the time and effort you aren't working. Running is a good balance, if possible, because people don't associate someone who runs as lazy. And anything you do voluntarily for other people, same reason.
Or you could just explain your autistic and how that affects you.
Please try to re-assure us that not all males who are under 30 in 2018 aren't doomed for life. We are not all doomed, and that goes for pretty much all "kinds" of males, right?
Because if not, I lost my hope and point for wanting to exist in the world?
If the problem was all about lack of money there would be nothing you could do about it in most cases but it's about the perception most people have that someone who works part time on min wage is lazy and lacks ambition.
You are not doomed if you have something else in your life that counters that perception. I am over 30 on min wage and part time and I don't hide those things but if someone asks me about myself I tell them about my writing and what my ambitions are.
If they dare to use words such as 'nice hobby' they get my full list
Winning the Mann Booker.
Making millions of people happy.
Being made Poet Laureate, allowed to take sheep over Tower Bridge, and eventual being buried in Westminster Abby.
Given a knighthood for services to literature and sit in the House of Lords (P.D. James is Baroness James)
Make hundreds of millions of pounds.
Your into film making aren't you? Artists are supposed to be poor and suffer for our art, no really, the arts are the best places to be poor in. Don't you know any equally poor would be actresses and screen writers in equally badly paid jobs?
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Everyone thinks so, but it's impolite to admit it so we lie instead.
And obviously having a car or owning a home is not a problem. The problem is not being able to afford a car or rent.
If you can, get best education and a well paid job. There is no disadvantages in having a well paid job. Even if you still get no dates, you will have more money for yourself.
What if I can afford a car but I choose not to have one. What if I have no education beyond community college but I still have a well paid job. Am I still datable?
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Everyone thinks so, but it's impolite to admit it so we lie instead.
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Yep. I'd rather stay single than date such guy. I have quite a lot of guys in close vicinity who have talents and interests, who are passionate about their hobbies...
I'm bisexual by the way but I wouldn't date a boring girl either.
I'm 21 so at this time I would date someone my age who lives with parents and doesn't work. But a 34 year old should have made some progress, don't you think?
Atleast your honest.
See kraif. Even aspie women won’t date men like me.
He knows lots about history, and lots about guns. And lots about cars, too.
And probably other things, too.
I don’t have any talents. Talents are playing music instruments, good st fixing stuff, being good st a sport etc. talents are things that can make one money. I’m talentless. It’s how I was born. But if everyone had talents it wouldn’t be considered species and we wouldn’t have celebrities or athlete or musicians it’s thst not everyone has talents like them thst makes them special. Just sucks, a lot of people have a talent.
My interests are exciting, not like someone who climbs canyons on his time off.
I’ve never seen or met a woman besides few on wp who don’t care, that’s the honest truth. Out of tens of thousands of profiles I’ve seen and hundreds I’ve met. Most women don’t see wanting a guy with his life together as superficial even here in wrong planet. But a guy who wants a thin blond woman they say is very superficial, message is it’s not ok to only like certain women based on their physical form but it’s completely fine to only like certain men based on how much money they make. No they aren’t gold diggers. Thayer require them going after rich men. Honestly it’s cause everyone is raised to want middle class lifestyle, ut less then half the nation is middle class and shrinking. So how can everyone epexct to be middle class? Who will do the many service jobs required to keep society running? Those middle class people need retail works or they get utterly lost and confused on what I’d consider simple stuff. They need trash collectors, janitors,bank tellers, waiters,cooks, etc. world runs because of low paid lower class workers, it’d ground to a halt without us, but most women even those working said jobs won’t date low men, cause they desire to be middle class. I’d love to be middle class and date a cute thin small woman, not going happen. In my opinion most women are crazy in the sense they hold on to unobtainable dreams so tightly they refuse to date men who’d make them happy in all other ways besides income status.
How would I find women who don’t care about mans life being together if they don’t go online?
Why did we allow society to define life together as meaning middle class with two cars and a home? Why do we belittle 1/3 of the nation for not being middle class. On the news we here middle class this middle class that, all anyone cares about is the middle class in this country. I hate the middle class. I hate that they all that matters besides the rich. The middle class blames us poor for all their problems too all while relying on us to keep their life going. Everything they use, eat, etc is made by lower class poor people.
So i dont know but if yiu make a male account in any dating site in America you’ll find most women say at the bottom thst to message they’d yiu must have: good job, car, home.
Or their say I have my life together and you must too.
FYI I wouldn’t say someone working two jobs, so they can pay for a car and house have their life together but I too shy and respectful of them saying I can’t message them to tell them. Why do they put themselves through such crap and lose so much sleep so they can have status symbols?
honestly, I feel you're exaggerating. OK, there is a point on wanting someone more or less similar to you when it comes to money. We want to be with someone who we have things in common, and money plays a role on how we live our lives. But, the world or the US isn't a place where the majority have two cars and travel to Europe every year. And ok, maybe woman want someone who aim it because they aim it too... and it's ok, but you don't want this things and it's ok too, but you can't complain that people dream of such things. I'm sure a lot of people don't enjoy traveling or care for cars or big houses, they maybe be more rare but they exist. But it doesn't make wrong for people who care about the mainstream idea of success, and you can't obligate people to agree with you.
The blonde thin woman is a quite different thing. It doesn't envolves a lifestyle. If you are a fit person who value exercise and want to have a fit partner too, it's not superficial. If you are a white supremacist who want a blonde partner, you're racist but ok it's still not superficial. If you want a blonde thin woman just because all you care for a women to be is pretty, and you are reducing the women as a pretty thing... then, yes, you're superficial. That's ok too, but it's superficial still.
Anyway, I still believe you are focusing on the wrong ideas about dating and this sort of attitude are disturbing you to find women who is a good match to you.
You only say that cause you’re a woman and I didn’t expect much else. It’s no different then reducing a man to his income status, sorry it isn’t. If all a woman cares about before anything else is how much a man makes she’s superficial. If you were a guy you’d understand just like most guys here understand how it sucks thst what’s the first thing a lot of women think is how much do you make.
So yeah that guy may want s girl who’s thin and blond like most women want a guy with a god paid job, both may then look into their personality and interests to see if they date, but both go into it for superficial reasons. Money shouldn’t matter, if the guy is a good match for you you’d make money work.
Also according to society and most women it’s very very wrong thst I don’t desire and push towards being upper middle class.
This is more so once you are over 25.
This is not less so for women than for men.
If you are female and young and very pretty you will still get lots of dates, but people (including your dates) will still judge you as lazy.
If you are female and over 30 you are less likely to be questioned about why you aren't working full time than a male, until someone know you don't have kids, then they will judge you as lazy.
Nobody wants to date someone they think is lazy, unless they can afford to support them and think they are getting something worth it in return, ie someone stunning and usually younger.
I believe the being thought lazy is a much bigger problem than the actual lack of earnings (which don't help).
Being thought lazy is not the worse trait to have, however, but it is one that comes up very early in any relationship. I've never been on a date when a guy didn't comment on me working part time in some way. When younger with confusion, when older with something along the lines of 'so you just expect someone else to support you' (despite the fact that I had clearly stated that I support myself fully).
I've also been told by a previous boss that she didn't respect me because I didn't work full time. I reminded her that I was a writer on top of the 27 hrs I worked for her, she said that didn't count because I wasn't published.
I recommend something in your life that works as a counter to the false assumption of laziness. For me, my novel does help as far as most people judge, particularly since I finished it (I actually stopped working altogether to achieve this). Basically something to account for the time and effort you aren't working. Running is a good balance, if possible, because people don't associate someone who runs as lazy. And anything you do voluntarily for other people, same reason.
Or you could just explain your autistic and how that affects you.
Please try to re-assure us that not all males who are under 30 in 2018 aren't doomed for life. We are not all doomed, and that goes for pretty much all "kinds" of males, right?
Because if not, I lost my hope and point for wanting to exist in the world?
Duh, probably half of men under 30 are in college or have good paying jobs, it’s the other half thst are doomed.
Everyone thinks so, but it's impolite to admit it so we lie instead.
And obviously having a car or owning a home is not a problem. The problem is not being able to afford a car or rent.
If you can, get best education and a well paid job. There is no disadvantages in having a well paid job. Even if you still get no dates, you will have more money for yourself.
What if I can afford a car but I choose not to have one. What if I have no education beyond community college but I still have a well paid job. Am I still datable?
No. Car is required atleast for women in western USA, I imagine since Australia is also big and open its important there too, mean do you expect women to drive yiu to dates like some taxi, now if yiu drive them it’s ok they aren’t using you, but women drive men around then men are just using women for rides. Society double standard 203
RetroGamer87
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Everyone thinks so, but it's impolite to admit it so we lie instead.
And obviously having a car or owning a home is not a problem. The problem is not being able to afford a car or rent.
If you can, get best education and a well paid job. There is no disadvantages in having a well paid job. Even if you still get no dates, you will have more money for yourself.
What if I can afford a car but I choose not to have one. What if I have no education beyond community college but I still have a well paid job. Am I still datable?
No. Car is required atleast for women in western USA, I imagine since Australia is also big and open its important there too, mean do you expect women to drive yiu to dates like some taxi, now if yiu drive them it’s ok they aren’t using you, but women drive men around then men are just using women for rides. Society double standard 203
Too bad. You're probably right about the car thing but I rarely leave the city. Australia's big but I'm not going to drive the whole length and breadth of it.
Not having a car is unfortunate. Being able to taxi girls too and from the date destinate would be an excellent way to spend some time alone with them.
Fortunately, I have a plan. All those Asian girls want to buy a car. Trouble is, most of them don't have driver's licenses. They want to buy a car? Fine. They want to drive them around? Fine. I'll do it. In their car.
Most of them don't even have a parking space. After they buy a car I'll offer to let them keep it in my parking space down on the ground floor. It will be practically the same as me getting a free car. I won't even have to pay for the insurance!
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Sorry to be off topic but I think they look great on all sexes. Never understood this weird thing people have about looking "trashy".
As for cars, it likely does depend on where you live. When I was in the city it didn't make much difference to me but now I'm in the country it'd be much more inconvenient. Would these women really want to miss out on the chance of being happy with someone just for the sake of a car though?
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Everyone thinks so, but it's impolite to admit it so we lie instead.
+1
WP in a nutshell.
+ 2
It's for times like this WP needs a thumbs up button.
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I would expect them to have made some progression in life towards what THEY wanted. If a car/better paid job/house, take you away from what you really want in life, then getting them means you're going in the wrong direction. I work less hours, earn less money, and have less cash in the bank than I had 10 years ago and I'm 10 x happier and more contented, and that comes across to people when I meet them.
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I’ve never seen or met a woman besides few on wp who don’t care, that’s the honest truth. Out of tens of thousands of profiles I’ve seen and hundreds I’ve met. Most women don’t see wanting a guy with his life together as superficial even here in wrong planet. But a guy who wants a thin blond woman they say is very superficial, message is it’s not ok to only like certain women based on their physical form but it’s completely fine to only like certain men based on how much money they make. No they aren’t gold diggers. Thayer require them going after rich men. Honestly it’s cause everyone is raised to want middle class lifestyle, ut less then half the nation is middle class and shrinking. So how can everyone epexct to be middle class? Who will do the many service jobs required to keep society running? Those middle class people need retail works or they get utterly lost and confused on what I’d consider simple stuff. They need trash collectors, janitors,bank tellers, waiters,cooks, etc. world runs because of low paid lower class workers, it’d ground to a halt without us, but most women even those working said jobs won’t date low men, cause they desire to be middle class. I’d love to be middle class and date a cute thin small woman, not going happen. In my opinion most women are crazy in the sense they hold on to unobtainable dreams so tightly they refuse to date men who’d make them happy in all other ways besides income status.
How would I find women who don’t care about mans life being together if they don’t go online?
Why did we allow society to define life together as meaning middle class with two cars and a home? Why do we belittle 1/3 of the nation for not being middle class. On the news we here middle class this middle class that, all anyone cares about is the middle class in this country. I hate the middle class. I hate that they all that matters besides the rich. The middle class blames us poor for all their problems too all while relying on us to keep their life going. Everything they use, eat, etc is made by lower class poor people.
So i dont know but if yiu make a male account in any dating site in America you’ll find most women say at the bottom thst to message they’d yiu must have: good job, car, home.
Or their say I have my life together and you must too.
FYI I wouldn’t say someone working two jobs, so they can pay for a car and house have their life together but I too shy and respectful of them saying I can’t message them to tell them. Why do they put themselves through such crap and lose so much sleep so they can have status symbols?
honestly, I feel you're exaggerating. OK, there is a point on wanting someone more or less similar to you when it comes to money. We want to be with someone who we have things in common, and money plays a role on how we live our lives. But, the world or the US isn't a place where the majority have two cars and travel to Europe every year. And ok, maybe woman want someone who aim it because they aim it too... and it's ok, but you don't want this things and it's ok too, but you can't complain that people dream of such things. I'm sure a lot of people don't enjoy traveling or care for cars or big houses, they maybe be more rare but they exist. But it doesn't make wrong for people who care about the mainstream idea of success, and you can't obligate people to agree with you.
The blonde thin woman is a quite different thing. It doesn't envolves a lifestyle. If you are a fit person who value exercise and want to have a fit partner too, it's not superficial. If you are a white supremacist who want a blonde partner, you're racist but ok it's still not superficial. If you want a blonde thin woman just because all you care for a women to be is pretty, and you are reducing the women as a pretty thing... then, yes, you're superficial. That's ok too, but it's superficial still.
Anyway, I still believe you are focusing on the wrong ideas about dating and this sort of attitude are disturbing you to find women who is a good match to you.
You only say that cause you’re a woman and I didn’t expect much else. It’s no different then reducing a man to his income status, sorry it isn’t. If all a woman cares about before anything else is how much a man makes she’s superficial. If you were a guy you’d understand just like most guys here understand how it sucks thst what’s the first thing a lot of women think is how much do you make.
So yeah that guy may want s girl who’s thin and blond like most women want a guy with a god paid job, both may then look into their personality and interests to see if they date, but both go into it for superficial reasons. Money shouldn’t matter, if the guy is a good match for you you’d make money work.
Also according to society and most women it’s very very wrong thst I don’t desire and push towards being upper middle class.
honestly, I can't win. Everything I say you will take as "you only say it because you a women" or it's double standards.
money shouldn't matter AS beauty shouldn't matter too. but as I put on my example, there is situations when money or beauty/appearance matter and are ok.
but if all you can do is blame society for not being able to get a date and be unable to see women as individual, i'm sorry but you are probably not getting a date.
society is unfair and have weird standards on how should we be. but it applies on both genders, and still there is a lot of people who is deviant of it. instead in just complain why not everyone value what you are, take pride in what you are and believe and try to find people who share the same values.
but if all you have to say is how woman – this faceless, without individuality mass – only cares for money i'm very sure you won't be able to get a girl. learn to see women as independent humans.
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