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18 Jun 2018, 7:28 am

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I wish people learned how to post statistics and scientific data.

I find assumptions, false equivalencies and conjecture to be far more entertaining for the purposes of this forum.


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18 Jun 2018, 7:34 am

TheSpectrum wrote:
Peacesells wrote:
I wish people learned how to post statistics and scientific data.

I find assumptions, false equivalencies and conjecture to be far more entertaining for the purposes of this forum.

Lucky you, I only find it extremely irritating.

If I can ask, do you think the past tense in my previous post was ok or I have to say "I wish people would learn how to..."?



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18 Jun 2018, 7:36 am

"I wish people would learn how to...[insert text here]" :ninja:

For example - "I wish people would learn how to send decent online dating messages." :lol:


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18 Jun 2018, 7:42 am

TheSpectrum wrote:
"I wish people would learn how to...[insert text here]" :ninja:

For example - "I wish people would learn how to send decent online dating messages." :lol:

Thanks! I won't make the same mistake twice. :ninja:



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18 Jun 2018, 8:10 am

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Young males tend to fantasize about this unconditional kind of love.

I strongly disagree with this. A huge number of guys is not like this.



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18 Jun 2018, 8:15 am

TheSpectrum wrote:
Peacesells wrote:
I wish people learned how to post statistics and scientific data.

I find assumptions, false equivalencies and conjecture to be far more entertaining for the purposes of this forum.


Yeah you and me both, but it's much easier to pass blame on an entire gender for one's personal dating difficulties.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 105401.htm

Oh, I got my numbers wrong. It's 21%, not 12%.


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18 Jun 2018, 8:24 am

Figures don't mean a damn thing to me as far as dating is concerned.

They just do nothing for me.



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18 Jun 2018, 8:28 am

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I guess you are a male, your view on romance is typical for the inexpeirenced hopless romantic male.

I will be going stereotypyical here, but like XFG mentioned before, males tend to be more “ideal” romantically and less practical than females. Young males tend to fantasize about this unconditional kind of love.

But when males start to date real females, and when they got dropped like hot potato at the first major financial hardship, they get shocked. They discover that their views on love between the two are so different.

That’s actually the main “theme” of Redpill, unlike what many think the redpill is not populated by lonely bitter males who can’t find dates, it’s not like L&D - but it is more populated by bitter ex-boyfriends and divorced husbands who got abandoned by their once partners due to financial hardships.
RP fellas believe strongly that the men’s definition of love is not at all the same as the women’s definition of love.

Your idealist lecture is something that I can relate to, as a male who had the same ideal views before, many males did, but I bet it would fall on deaf ears on most women, like Lulululuh whose views are very typically female (except the not wanting children part); I bet that her first thought about your post was “this is just an execuse to be a lazy TV couch potato”.

So yeah for someone who values independence and assets that much, she would probably abandon her 15 years partner if he ever loses his capacity to generate money forever - actually she may no longer feel attracted to him - I really doubt that she would use her own money to support him for the rest of life; just for the sake of “love”.


Yeah you're right, I probably would not, because the same rules apply for women who become disabled or ill; spouses are more likely to leave if one significantly changes and therefore changes the overall dynamics of the relationship. In fact, I believe it's actually the men who are more likely to leave a marriage (12%) as compared to women (3%) when the spouse is diagnosed with an illness or is disabled.

But like I said before, if you are the idealistic type and want an idealistic women, find one. They are out there. You're not required to date one who is practical and doesn't fit your own personal values. The responsibility is ultimately on you.


And men without full time jobs are 33% more likely to get divorced.

In case of the ill male partners stats, maybe these men are still getting income from their once good career (as retirement payments).



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18 Jun 2018, 8:31 am

I guess figures have their place----but not when it comes to dating.

I've transcended "figures" all throughout my life. I really "should have been" some guy in a basement still living with his m other.



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18 Jun 2018, 8:37 am

Luhluhluh wrote:
TheSpectrum wrote:
Peacesells wrote:
I wish people learned how to post statistics and scientific data.

I find assumptions, false equivalencies and conjecture to be far more entertaining for the purposes of this forum.


Yeah you and me both, but it's much easier to pass blame on an entire gender for one's personal dating difficulties.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 105401.htm

Oh, I got my numbers wrong. It's 21%, not 12%.

"Hey, I only have a 1 in 5 chance of leaving you if you get cancer. We should date".


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18 Jun 2018, 8:38 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

And men without full time jobs are 33% more likely to get divorced.



Source? Not arguing - honestly want to read the evidence


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18 Jun 2018, 8:51 am

Luhluhluh wrote:
TheSpectrum wrote:
Peacesells wrote:
I wish people learned how to post statistics and scientific data.

I find assumptions, false equivalencies and conjecture to be far more entertaining for the purposes of this forum.


Yeah you and me both, but it's much easier to pass blame on an entire gender for one's personal dating difficulties.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 105401.htm

Oh, I got my numbers wrong. It's 21%, not 12%.

Thank you, the article is very interesting. My only doubt, given my ignorance of statistics, is if the sample is big and rapresentative enough to validate the statement.
Please note that it doesn't stem from sexism, but rather from the fact that I expected many more people to be involved. Also it's only American people, so I am not sure if the same happens elsewhere too.
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And men without full time jobs are 33% more likely to get divorced.

She is right, stop giving numbers like that, it's very annoying. :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:



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18 Jun 2018, 9:00 am

Luhluhluh wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

And men without full time jobs are 33% more likely to get divorced.



Source? Not arguing - honestly want to read the evidence


I did find an article in Time, but this clearly states that the findings for the husbands’ lack of full-time employment being associated with risk of divorce was adjusted for income, so it wasn't how high-earning he is/was, and the researcher stated that the numbers did not specify exactly why these men were more likely to divorce than men who were employed full time (depression, lack of support system, etc.) It's especially hard to draw a conclusion from a paper like this because it's based on a social science - human beings are more complicated than that.


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18 Jun 2018, 9:03 am

Luhluhluh wrote:
Luhluhluh wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

And men without full time jobs are 33% more likely to get divorced.



Source? Not arguing - honestly want to read the evidence


I did find an article in Time, but this clearly states that the findings for the husbands’ lack of full-time employment being associated with risk of divorce was adjusted for income, so it wasn't how high-earning he is/was, and the researcher stated that the numbers did not specify exactly why these men were more likely to divorce than men who were employed full time (depression, lack of support system, etc.) It's especially hard to draw a conclusion from a paper like this because it's based on a social science - human beings are more complicated than that.


I think this once again is an important point to find someone who shares your values when entering a relationship with another person.


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18 Jun 2018, 9:07 am

It's very stressful for a marriage if somebody is laid off from a job. It's stressful on the person laid off. This leads to stress all around.

Being laid off with no other source of income is very stressful, indeed.



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18 Jun 2018, 9:14 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I guess figures have their place----but not when it comes to dating.

I've transcended "figures" all throughout my life. I really "should have been" some guy in a basement still living with his m other.


My uncle can't work due to legal issues.

My aunt's been fully supporting them both for the past 20-something years.


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