30 years old and still alone

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17 Aug 2018, 2:36 pm

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Yes, because successful people don't work on themselves. If someone is more successful than me, it must be because they're a bad person. /sarcasm


Why do you think so? :lol:

Seriously, if you work all the time on getting all the status items you must have and think your career is extremely important, chances are you will be a lousy family person that puts work before family. Which is just one reason why "working on yourself" might not always be so good after all. Another reason is that if you buy all that PUA stuff and work to implement that, that's not very good either.

Still, the "moral of the story" is that it shouldn't be status issues, a career or physical appearance that determines if you will be a good partner or not. And if somebody think that is all there is to it, then I won't be very interested in them.



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17 Aug 2018, 4:40 pm

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... Whenever I am told to work on myself, why is it that the abusive jerks never have to? ...
It's likely that they have already worked on themselves -- they have already put into practice the things that a man has to do to attract a woman. It's likely that the are already employed, earning an income, and living on their own. It's also likely that they have already developed a measure of confidence that comes from acknowledging their self-worth.

I mean, it's not like they magically become attractive the moment they see a pretty girl; it's more like they've been working on their attractiveness since they first realized that girls don't have 'cooties'.


What a load of crap.

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It also helps to do the right things and keep doing them, not just half-heartedly trying something a few times and then giving up because the results weren't immediate -- persistence is the key.


Persistence is important, but not in the above sense.


Yes, because successful people don't work on themselves. If someone is more successful than me, it must be because they're a bad person. /sarcasm


I've actually had people tell me I should have no trouble attracting girls but the fact that I don't get any indicators of interest upsets me. I am also asked if I want children but I can't even get a coffee date so how can I even think about having children?

Do you still root for me?

We want to see you do well. I believe you can make it.

I’m struggling with my freelance work. It seems lately I can’t even get a gig playing at a nursing home for FREE.

I would say make a habit of just saying hello and seeing if girls will just say hi back. It’s not the same as getting a coffee date any more than getting a nursing home gig will actually pay anything. But at least you’d be interacting. It beats nothing.



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17 Aug 2018, 4:43 pm

"Working on yourself" does not involve obtaining material items.

Instead, it involves improving your physical health, education, and social skills.

Any man can attract the attention of a woman with his "bling", but if he lacks health, is stupid/ignorant, and has no manners or 'class' at all (even less than an average 'jerk'), then he likely won't have her attention for long.


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18 Aug 2018, 6:45 am

Marknis wrote:
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rdos wrote:
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... Whenever I am told to work on myself, why is it that the abusive jerks never have to? ...
It's likely that they have already worked on themselves -- they have already put into practice the things that a man has to do to attract a woman. It's likely that the are already employed, earning an income, and living on their own. It's also likely that they have already developed a measure of confidence that comes from acknowledging their self-worth.

I mean, it's not like they magically become attractive the moment they see a pretty girl; it's more like they've been working on their attractiveness since they first realized that girls don't have 'cooties'.


What a load of crap.

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It also helps to do the right things and keep doing them, not just half-heartedly trying something a few times and then giving up because the results weren't immediate -- persistence is the key.


Persistence is important, but not in the above sense.


Yes, because successful people don't work on themselves. If someone is more successful than me, it must be because they're a bad person. /sarcasm


I've actually had people tell me I should have no trouble attracting girls but the fact that I don't get any indicators of interest upsets me. I am also asked if I want children but I can't even get a coffee date so how can I even think about having children?

Do you still root for me?


What are indicators of interest in your book?



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18 Aug 2018, 7:09 am

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"Working on yourself" does not involve obtaining material items.


Social status is both material things and "working on yourself". You might say the material things are rewards for being a successful person (in a way that pays you money). So, these things are linked. If they weren't, then material things would not be part of social status.

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Instead, it involves improving your physical health, education, and social skills.


Social skills can be so many things, and I don't think many NDs cares much for the typical social skills. At least, I couldn't care less.

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Any man can attract the attention of a woman with his "bling", but if he lacks health, is stupid/ignorant, and has no manners or 'class' at all (even less than an average 'jerk'), then he likely won't have her attention for long.


Now you are talking NTs again.



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18 Aug 2018, 7:34 am

rdos wrote:
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Yes, because successful people don't work on themselves. If someone is more successful than me, it must be because they're a bad person. /sarcasm


Why do you think so? :lol:

Seriously, if you work all the time on getting all the status items you must have and think your career is extremely important, chances are you will be a lousy family person that puts work before family. Which is just one reason why "working on yourself" might not always be so good after all. Another reason is that if you buy all that PUA stuff and work to implement that, that's not very good either.

Still, the "moral of the story" is that it shouldn't be status issues, a career or physical appearance that determines if you will be a good partner or not. And if somebody think that is all there is to it, then I won't be very interested in them.


Whatever you need to tell yourself, buddy.


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18 Aug 2018, 12:05 pm

If I were to wake up as a heterosexual male, with all else unchanged, I don't think I would be able to tell if a woman was interested in me in most instances, only if she were most definately not interested in me. For example, I would take terse replies with no attempt to carry the conversation, walking away from me, and signs of distraction as not being interested in me.

A lot of men here have mentioned women giving them "dirty looks" at first glance but a lot of this might be what us women call "resting b!tch face". It is just how some women look with a neutral expression. You might just try striking up a conversation with some of these women anyway provided you can do so without being awkward. If she isn't interested it will probably become more apparent.



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18 Aug 2018, 12:21 pm

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I'm surprised more people don't remember Alliekit.

She was a prominent part of the Forum for about a year or so. She is a scientist who was having trouble getting grants to pursue her PhD (in what, I forgot). She has a fiancé whom she's very committed to. They have their arguments; but their relationship seemed to be very intact.

She often gave sensible advice when it came to romance....and when it came to "body type." She believed more in the person underneath than in superficial impressions.


She also didn't accuse me of stupid and baseless assumptions like goldfish and Piobaire do since she wasn't an SJW like those two are. I am just glad goldfish can't reply to my posts anymore or he'll possibly get banned.

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If you don't enjoy it then it's not a good hobby.


I do feel like I have an artistic mind but it's been blocked up by societal pressures and my own low self-esteem.


What are you talking about? :?

What "stupid and baseless assumptions," have I accused you of, ever? :?

If you're going to post fabrications about me, Marknis, then I'm going to ask you where you got those ideas from.

As for this topic, meh, I rolled passed 30 as a single man nearly 6 years ago. In just over a month I'll be 36 with a perfect track record of being single my entire life. It's not exactly ideal, but it's also not nearly as awful as you convince yourself it is. I don't really expect it to be very depressing for me save for momentarily here and there, and perhaps a bit more so when I turn 40, and then again at 50 etc - milestone birthdays that tend to make people reflect on their lives. Other than that, *shrug*, it is what it is and life goes on.

Oh, also, I noticed in another thread that Peacesells and a few others gave you some great advice for increasing your attractiveness to the opposite sex. I bet if you spent a little time and energy trying it out with a little action instead of keeping yourself in a state of perpetual "analysis paralysis," as you dwell on your single status, that you'd improve your chances. It seems you've spent your 20's thinking about it, and I think you'd fare better if you spend your 30's doing something about it.


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18 Aug 2018, 2:39 pm

XFilesGeek wrote:
rdos wrote:
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Yes, because successful people don't work on themselves. If someone is more successful than me, it must be because they're a bad person. /sarcasm


Why do you think so? :lol:

Seriously, if you work all the time on getting all the status items you must have and think your career is extremely important, chances are you will be a lousy family person that puts work before family. Which is just one reason why "working on yourself" might not always be so good after all. Another reason is that if you buy all that PUA stuff and work to implement that, that's not very good either.

Still, the "moral of the story" is that it shouldn't be status issues, a career or physical appearance that determines if you will be a good partner or not. And if somebody think that is all there is to it, then I won't be very interested in them.


Whatever you need to tell yourself, buddy.

Yeeeeaaaaahhhhh...

What I find most disturbing is the concept of ND-supremacy that keep cropping up. If we’re sooooo superior, why aren’t we ending up more often with folks like us? I have two things to say to that. First, finding another ND to partner with in the first place is a challenge, let alone finding one you’re actually COMPATIBLE with. Maybe we should all be more open-minded and more girls should be diagnosed. But that isn’t happening on enough of a scale for us guys to actually who’s out there. Second, it’s worth considering that ND-ND partnerships are less than ideal, that perhaps what’s best pairing with those who are understanding and love us the way we are and are capable AND WILLING to take the roll of carer. I don’t mean go out and find a new mom. I don’t mean find a slave while you act like you’re still 13. I just mean find someone who understands how to fill in those gaps while still challenging you to be better (iow, encourages you to contribute and be productive, gives you a reason to take pride in participating in the relationship).

The plain FACT is past behavior is almost always indicative of future behavior. Money/possessions are signs of independence. You are FREE to do whatever you want. You have room for a relationship. If you are struggling, you will cause your partner to struggle. Physical attractiveness is a sign of good health, that you don’t bring issues into the relationship that would lead to an early separation and all kinds of grief for a partner to clean up. What happens LATER due to circumstance is another problem, but at least you have signs that you’re off to a good start. Perhaps two people have different reason to pair and physical appearance is beside the point, but at least those two people are AWARE of what’s going on when they begin the relationship and know what to expect.

PUA stuff is somewhat rooted in psychology. Take PUA, along with ALL other relational advice (including mine), with a HUGE grain of salt.



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18 Aug 2018, 11:05 pm

As both the OP and GF STILL continued to bicker - the OP started this new round - despite being told not to continue, by two moderators, this thread is locked.

If you don't learn from this final advice to stop this feud, and continue to try and prolong it by blaming each other, you are both out of here next time it occurs, so please take time to consider whether you will stop or want to be banned permanently.