Treading Carefully
auntblabby
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Happy_Fun_Ball wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
if a female friend [very rare in my experience] said something [about another man] like "gee, that guy is sharp!" i would go silent. i could not handle the competition. the stress of it trended me towards a meltdown.
You might be on to something. I saw this reaction in him once before while we tried to date, though I didn't understand it at the time. I had casually mentioned the name of a longtime male platonic friend, and said that he's a "stand-up guy". I noticed that my Ex's face went dark, but since he's not the jealous type (at ALL) I was confused at what it was about. I now suspect he considered it competition. He is very much the competitive type. Thank you, Antiblabby. And I'm sorry to hear these types of interactions are stressors for you. It must be very difficult.
i pray that your man will give you another chance and rise to the occasion. i pray to that end.
Happy_Fun_Ball wrote:
Steve1963 wrote:
maybe it's temporary? I know I sometimes "disappear" from my family for no real reason.
Thanks for saying so. Perhaps he will come around, and if he does I will be happy to carry on.
Steve -- out of a genuine sense of wanting to understand, without judgment -- what kinds of things prompt you to disappear? And what prevents you from explaining to your family in advance, that you are about to?
I honestly don't know. I'm bipolar; perhaps that's part of it, I wish I had something more concrete to share with you.
auntblabby wrote:
i pray that your man will give you another chance and rise to the occasion. i pray to that end.
Thank you. But while I greatly treasure this connection, I'm struggling with striking a balance between my own self-respect, and the desire to facilitate (yet again) the connection continuing. I can only do so much, and go so far.
This Ex is not the type to ever apologize, for anything. Or probably even reach out to me again, so that would also be up to me I believe.
This makes reconciliation difficult because there can never be true "repair", unless I want to swallow my own sense of self-respect and capitulate. But I'm a very confident person and it rankles for me to do it again (since I was the one to reach out when we stopped talking for a year).
I work hard at not taking his conduct personally. But even if I exercise my utmost understanding for the AS-related challenges, eventually it just goes against the grain to put in such effort when I feel I am being ignored and disrespected, and that my friendship is not being valued. I don't show up for mistreatment, from ANYBODY.
I don't plan to reach out, at least not for a long, long while. I think it will be best, for us both.
Curious: Forum members, when you go silent on others, do you feel disdain for them when they try to chase you? Or conversely, do you respect those who give you your needed space? Or is it irrelevant to your own processes? Are people completely out-of-sight, out-of-mind for you?
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auntblabby
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Steve1963 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Steve1963 wrote:
How will she know if it's a possibility unless she tries?
Happy_Fun_Ball wrote:
...I’m an NT woman who had a 2 year on/off relationship with a lovely, brilliant man who very likely has ASD...
She's been trying for 2 years. If she doesn't know by now, then she may never know.... ... ...
Lol...
You provoked a burst of laughter...NT wife, here, with only two years trying...
Post Script: Greetings to your beloved wife...
Happy_Fun_Ball wrote:
Fnord wrote:
You've been "Friendzoned".
This outcome would not disappoint me. A relationship did not work out for us, despite several attempts.
What would disappoint me, is to never hear from him again at all. I'm trying to optimize the chances that we can maintain some sort of connection.
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NT wife, here, HAPPILY MARRIED and always striving--though not necessarily succeeding--for emotional connection with my beloved (Aspie) Husband...
In my experience, i say to you that this is a friendly forum...It is ok, here, to admit that you wish to reconnect with your Aspie on a romantic level...Intellectually, you are already well aware of the particular challenges that you will surely encounter in a neuro-diverse relationship...Emotionally, however, you are not prepare to let go...In your writing, I perceive that you are still very much attached to him and emotionally invested in his wellbeing...Perhaps, if you try adjusting your expectations of him to accommodate for his autistic traits, he may consider the possibility of trying it once more with you...
This would require you to be very honest with yourself first...So that you may be honest with him and others about your true intentions for the future of this relationship...Aspies are highly intellectual and very good at seeing behavioral patterns in others...Your persistent 'brake-ups' may have been misinterpreted by him as a form of manipulation from your behalf...As to me, i don't think that...Realising that your needs are not been met or may never be met can be excruciatingly painful to the NT in the relationship...And in the moment, we just want out...! !!...So, i understand you...Still, i also understand the love an Aspie can inspire within us...Please keep in mind that Aspies are very sensitive and vulnerable...When the relationship fails time and again, they feel like if they are the failure...
I think you are well-intended...And you posses beautiful qualities for an Aspie to have considered you...(They have high standards when it comes to moral character)...Use all of your resources in the form of kindness, and compassion, and understanding, and love to make it happen...He will respond in due time...But you first have to be sure that this time around you will be more altruistic in your efforts...Thank you for reading me...I hope to have helped...
Fnord wrote:
Steve1963 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Steve1963 wrote:
How will she know if it's a possibility unless she tries?
Happy_Fun_Ball wrote:
...I’m an NT woman who had a 2 year on/off relationship with a lovely, brilliant man who very likely has ASD...
She's been trying for 2 years. If she doesn't know by now, then she may never know.... ... ...
I perceive your logical brain at its best!! !...Please take my comment as a compliment, because it is...And with all due respect, please allow me to add that, statistically speaking, neuro-diverse couples are made-up of an anxious-attachment female NT and an avoidant-attachment male Aspie...This may very well be the description of this couple...
Having said the above, to her i say: Proceed with caution but optimism...
Steve1963 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Steve1963 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Steve1963 wrote:
How will she know if it's a possibility unless she tries?
Happy_Fun_Ball wrote:
...I’m an NT woman who had a 2 year on/off relationship with a lovely, brilliant man who very likely has ASD...
She's been trying for 2 years. If she doesn't know by now, then she may never know.Trying for 20 years is not part of the job description! And don't you think she had many trying years prior to marrying me? My point is that you have no way of knowing what will happen to the OP if she tries.
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THANK YOU...THANK YOU...THANK YOU...
God bless your neuro-diverse marriage with peace, tranquility, and much happiness...
Happy_Fun_Ball wrote:
Fnord wrote:
If it's a relationship she wants, then she would be better off to pursue a man who is interested in her.[/color]
Well, I said I love him, and I do. I believe he loves me. But I think a viable romantic relationship is probably not possible for us.
I'd be happy with friendship. I'd be UNhappy with NO connection at all.
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Autism, in and of itself, is NOT an impediment for a relationship...It is challenging but definitely not impossible...! !!...Unless there are other issues not related to autism...Then, i can understand why you consider this relationship has no future...
Fnord wrote:
Happy_Fun_Ball wrote:
Hmm. One vote in favor of reaching out. One vote against. I'm hoping for a tie-breaker post.
You might consider your friend's disinterest as another "No" vote.You have considered his lack of interest in you as an expression of what he wants, haven't you?
I mean, our opinions really don't matter, but his do. Why do you seem to think otherwise?
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If i may intrude...For the simple reason that Aspies avoidance-attachment is not to be interpreted necessarily as a lack of interest...
Happy_Fun_Ball wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
I would put my veto vote: No.
/end of thread
/end of thread
Noted, with thanks. LOL
I realize there's really no "right" answer. I'll just sit and wait. I did commit to NOT reaching out to him anymore, and if only for my own integrity, that's what I'll do.
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Sounds like you are one proud lady
You may have to rethink your firm stand and make an exception here...
Happy_Fun_Ball wrote:
Steve1963 wrote:
Happy_Fun_Ball wrote:
I did commit to NOT reaching out to him anymore, and if only for my own integrity, that's what I'll do.
Under what circumstances? Did he prompt this or what it of your own doing?When we parted ways late last year on the relationship side, it was his choice, but we both wavered at the time. I told him I would help make it "stick" by committing not to reach out to him anymore. We have a history of short break-ups and reconciliations.
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I understand first-hand the dynamics you are describing here above...Emotions unlike logic are unpredictable...Thus, it is extremely painful--not just for NTs--for Aspies when dealing with emotional beings like us female NTs...Still, with each quarrel, the NT learns something important about her Aspie that helps improve the relationship...And the Aspie as well is very capable of learning about her NT as he strives to accommodate for her emotional needs...So, yes, it is possible to make it work through trial and error.. As long as both sides are determined...And as long as both sides put their pride aside...And most importantly, as long as both sides can forget and forgive, truly forgive...A fresh-start is very possible...
Chain wrote:
Happy_Fun_Ball wrote:
Hmm. One vote in favor of reaching out. One vote against. I'm hoping for a tie-breaker post.
I say reach out! (with some suggestions)
I cannot speak to why he does what he does because there is extreme variability in ASD.
What tends to be common between us folks on the spectrum is a need for straight forward verbal communication. Explain clearly what you want with no subtlety or in between the lines. I would recommend writing it out and thinking about the exact boundaries of what this friendship would look like to you.
He may have been more hurt than you can see. Take responsibility for your part of the miscommunications of the past and hope he will examine his role. You might be able to be friends. It is so hard to say not knowing him.
If I only had NT friends like you who try to understand me by researching my differences, I would feel much less isolated. He would be lucky to have you stay in his life!
"virtual hug" and I hope you can be friends with him!
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HAPPILY MARRIED NT here...Best sound advice so far...On behalf of the OP, thanks...(Thumbs-up)...
