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20 Feb 2023, 3:06 am
And they say autistics can't master social skills...
Those are fantastic excuses 
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
we can’t conclude whether a missing limb affects success chances or not because we don’t have the entire picture for that.
People literally make the snark remark "oh well, i'll just tell the guy with no legs that he can't run cos he's not trying hard enough!", only for you to imply that we don't know if "missing legs" has an effect on running
If your social skills are so catastrophically inferior, what makes you so sure you're capable of handling a relationship with another person in the first place? Maintaining a relationship is a social skill, after all. A combination of many in fact.
Nades wrote:
I've already said that autistics can achieve outside the field of social skills, from out last interaction, you're certainly aware of that.
While you have technically said that autsitics can achieve other things besides social skills, your primary examples of things to be worked on were, iirc, looks, looks, weight, "health", and looks.
Never mind the fact that the same argument can be made. Genes are a solid FACT. You can't change genetics. How you look is how you look. IF you were capable of looking different, you'd look different. Anyone who does change how they look is an exception, there's no proof anyone else can do it. Something will ALWAYS be off about you, no matter how good you try to look.
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20 Feb 2023, 3:20 am
uncommondenominator wrote:
And they say autistics can't master social skills...
Those are fantastic excuses
If your social skills are so catastrophically inferior, what makes you so sure you're capable of handling a relationship with another person in the first place? Maintaining a relationship is a social skill, after all. A combination of many in fact.
Those are fantastic excuses
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
we can’t conclude whether a missing limb affects success chances or not because we don’t have the entire picture for that.
If your social skills are so catastrophically inferior, what makes you so sure you're capable of handling a relationship with another person in the first place? Maintaining a relationship is a social skill, after all. A combination of many in fact.
I am not sure where I stand in the spectrum, but I think mine is very mild. And yes, you are right, maintaing/initiating a relationship is a social skills, that's why a lot of autistics struggle in this (Duh!).
But on the other hand, a severe case like the below example (Walrus, blindess is not a social construct, it well defined medically, by severity too, let's invite an Ophthalmologist to the discussion) is surely not just a social construct
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jrqpn6 ... arriormama
20 Feb 2023, 3:31 am
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
uncommondenominator wrote:
And they say autistics can't master social skills...
Those are fantastic excuses
If your social skills are so catastrophically inferior, what makes you so sure you're capable of handling a relationship with another person in the first place? Maintaining a relationship is a social skill, after all. A combination of many in fact.
Those are fantastic excuses
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
we can’t conclude whether a missing limb affects success chances or not because we don’t have the entire picture for that.
If your social skills are so catastrophically inferior, what makes you so sure you're capable of handling a relationship with another person in the first place? Maintaining a relationship is a social skill, after all. A combination of many in fact.
I am not sure where I stand in the spectrum, but I think mine is very mild. And yes, you are right, maintaing/initiating a relationship is a social skills, that's why a lot of autistics struggle in this (Duh!).
But on the other hand, a severe case like the below example (Walrus, blindess is not a social construct, it well defined medically, by severity too, let's invite an Ophthalmologist to the discussion) is surely not just a social construct
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jrqpn6 ... arriormama
So your selecting an extreme case on the negative end is somehow more accurate than other examples on the positive end?
Also, if yours is "pretty mild" then a "severe" case has nothing to do with you, does it?
Since autism is defined by inferior social skills, then severe autism should, in theory, have severely inferior social skills, while mild autism should have, in theory, mildly inferior social skills. Otherwise, how else do you separate mild from severe, since inferior social skills define autism? Almost as if, like autism, social ability is also a spectrum, and it's not simply a matter of "autistics CANT!".
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20 Feb 2023, 3:39 am
uncommondenominator wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
uncommondenominator wrote:
And they say autistics can't master social skills...
Those are fantastic excuses
If your social skills are so catastrophically inferior, what makes you so sure you're capable of handling a relationship with another person in the first place? Maintaining a relationship is a social skill, after all. A combination of many in fact.
Those are fantastic excuses
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
we can’t conclude whether a missing limb affects success chances or not because we don’t have the entire picture for that.
If your social skills are so catastrophically inferior, what makes you so sure you're capable of handling a relationship with another person in the first place? Maintaining a relationship is a social skill, after all. A combination of many in fact.
I am not sure where I stand in the spectrum, but I think mine is very mild. And yes, you are right, maintaing/initiating a relationship is a social skills, that's why a lot of autistics struggle in this (Duh!).
But on the other hand, a severe case like the below example (Walrus, blindess is not a social construct, it well defined medically, by severity too, let's invite an Ophthalmologist to the discussion) is surely not just a social construct
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jrqpn6 ... arriormama
So your selecting an extreme case on the negative end is somehow more accurate than other examples on the positive end?
That's exactly the same argument I have used against your claims. So you get it now.
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Also, if yours is "pretty mild" then a "severe" case has nothing to do with you, does it?
Exactly, his case is far more severe, that's why I am not gonna lecture others that whatever I can achieve other autistics can acheive it too.
20 Feb 2023, 3:41 am
Nades wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Doesn’t mean we can’t compensate and improve.
We’re not necessarily stuck in the mud.
It’s not hopeless.
Many times, people with all sorts of disorders get to the point where there is almost no disorder.
I’m under no delusion that I am “superior” in any way, though I’ve been able to do okay in many things despite what I was born with.
We’re not necessarily stuck in the mud.
It’s not hopeless.
Many times, people with all sorts of disorders get to the point where there is almost no disorder.
I’m under no delusion that I am “superior” in any way, though I’ve been able to do okay in many things despite what I was born with.
Yip. It's just that social skills are not our strong point at all.
Also, it is estimated that 80% of those on the spectrum have "Executive Dysfunction", myself included.
I thought I would slip that into the conversation.
20 Feb 2023, 3:49 am
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
uncommondenominator wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
uncommondenominator wrote:
And they say autistics can't master social skills...
Those are fantastic excuses
If your social skills are so catastrophically inferior, what makes you so sure you're capable of handling a relationship with another person in the first place? Maintaining a relationship is a social skill, after all. A combination of many in fact.
Those are fantastic excuses
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
we can’t conclude whether a missing limb affects success chances or not because we don’t have the entire picture for that.
If your social skills are so catastrophically inferior, what makes you so sure you're capable of handling a relationship with another person in the first place? Maintaining a relationship is a social skill, after all. A combination of many in fact.
I am not sure where I stand in the spectrum, but I think mine is very mild. And yes, you are right, maintaing/initiating a relationship is a social skills, that's why a lot of autistics struggle in this (Duh!).
But on the other hand, a severe case like the below example (Walrus, blindess is not a social construct, it well defined medically, by severity too, let's invite an Ophthalmologist to the discussion) is surely not just a social construct
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jrqpn6 ... arriormama
So your selecting an extreme case on the negative end is somehow more accurate than other examples on the positive end?
That's exactly the same argument I have used against your claims. So you get it now.
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Also, if yours is "pretty mild" then a "severe" case has nothing to do with you, does it?
Exactly, his case is far more severe, that's why I am not gonna lecture others that whatever I can achieve other autistics can acheive it too.
Instead you'll lecture others to make sure they know they're inferior. Got it.
Am I lecturing him? Did I base this on what I can do? Did I actually set any expectation? At most, I suggest that "if someone can achieve a fraction of the success they have, they're doing well".
Buncha crabs, determined to drag people down...
20 Feb 2023, 3:50 am
20 Feb 2023, 3:54 am
20 Feb 2023, 3:56 am
uncommondenominator wrote:
And they say autistics can't master social skills...
Those are fantastic excuses
People literally make the snark remark "oh well, i'll just tell the guy with no legs that he can't run cos he's not trying hard enough!", only for you to imply that we don't know if "missing legs" has an effect on running
If your social skills are so catastrophically inferior, what makes you so sure you're capable of handling a relationship with another person in the first place? Maintaining a relationship is a social skill, after all. A combination of many in fact.
While you have technically said that autsitics can achieve other things besides social skills, your primary examples of things to be worked on were, iirc, looks, looks, weight, "health", and looks.
Never mind the fact that the same argument can be made. Genes are a solid FACT. You can't change genetics. How you look is how you look. IF you were capable of looking different, you'd look different. Anyone who does change how they look is an exception, there's no proof anyone else can do it. Something will ALWAYS be off about you, no matter how good you try to look.
Those are fantastic excuses
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
we can’t conclude whether a missing limb affects success chances or not because we don’t have the entire picture for that.
People literally make the snark remark "oh well, i'll just tell the guy with no legs that he can't run cos he's not trying hard enough!", only for you to imply that we don't know if "missing legs" has an effect on running
If your social skills are so catastrophically inferior, what makes you so sure you're capable of handling a relationship with another person in the first place? Maintaining a relationship is a social skill, after all. A combination of many in fact.
Nades wrote:
I've already said that autistics can achieve outside the field of social skills, from out last interaction, you're certainly aware of that.
While you have technically said that autsitics can achieve other things besides social skills, your primary examples of things to be worked on were, iirc, looks, looks, weight, "health", and looks.
Never mind the fact that the same argument can be made. Genes are a solid FACT. You can't change genetics. How you look is how you look. IF you were capable of looking different, you'd look different. Anyone who does change how they look is an exception, there's no proof anyone else can do it. Something will ALWAYS be off about you, no matter how good you try to look.
Nope, autistics can't master social skills, the same way someone with no legs can't master running.
People can change their appearance with relative ease too. Gaining or losing weight is a change in appearance.
People with autism have a lot more trouble finding and holding down stable relationships too so I dunno what your approach is from that angle.
You're picking extreme examples while overlooking the typical average autisitc (or even legless person)
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