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03 Dec 2018, 10:04 am

A man who is married, drunk and beats up his wife and his children is lesser misogynist and a scum bag than a guy that has never dated because his standards are too high? Most guys are celibate by choice because they usually want the attractive fit women that are not interested in them. The guys do not want the less attractive unfit women who are interested in them.



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03 Dec 2018, 10:11 am

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... Most guys are celibate by choice ...
Not always. Some men are bug-ugly, chronically stupid, morbidly obese, hideously deformed, abjectly creepy, living on the street, terminally ill, in solitary confinement, hygienically challenged, or some combination thereof.
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... because they usually want the attractive fit women that are not interested in them. The guys do not want the less attractive unfit women who are interested in them.
Agreed. A woman does not have to be an acrobatic swimsuit model to be sexually attractive.



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03 Dec 2018, 12:35 pm

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The initial point I was making with this thread was about how any men who are involuntarily celibate or chronically single or lonely are often unfairly grouped with the types of individuals who participate in incel forums. I personally never have been a part of any such group or followed their toxic ideologies. And yet I am so often told by others about how much I think I'm entitled to sex or hate women etc... And I'm fed up with it.
I have an idea.

If celibate men would stop openly complaining about being celibate, there would be less bigotry against them.

I mean it's like wearing a sign that says, "I Can't Get Laid, Kick Me!"


Agreed. How do people know you are celibate in order to demonstrate bigotry?
I don't go about life disclosing the details of my sexual status and men don't need to, either.


No man openly confesses such failures in the meatplace, this happens online only and I guess the OP was referring to the online bigotry.



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03 Dec 2018, 12:41 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
Fnord wrote:
magnetowasright wrote:
The initial point I was making with this thread was about how any men who are involuntarily celibate or chronically single or lonely are often unfairly grouped with the types of individuals who participate in incel forums. I personally never have been a part of any such group or followed their toxic ideologies. And yet I am so often told by others about how much I think I'm entitled to sex or hate women etc... And I'm fed up with it.
I have an idea.

If celibate men would stop openly complaining about being celibate, there would be less bigotry against them.

I mean it's like wearing a sign that says, "I Can't Get Laid, Kick Me!"


Agreed. How do people know you are celibate in order to demonstrate bigotry?
I don't go about life disclosing the details of my sexual status and men don't need to, either.


No man openly confesses such failures in the meatplace, this happens online only and I guess the OP was referring to the online bigotry.


There's the cultural thing as well in popular media. Take the big bang theory for example. It makes fun of nerdy shy guys who can't get laid.

You don't see shows like tgat about women, yes I know the included the Amy character... but in general there is a cultural trope that shy Virgin males are to be laughed at.



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03 Dec 2018, 12:54 pm

hurtloam wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
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magnetowasright wrote:
The initial point I was making with this thread was about how any men who are involuntarily celibate or chronically single or lonely are often unfairly grouped with the types of individuals who participate in incel forums. I personally never have been a part of any such group or followed their toxic ideologies. And yet I am so often told by others about how much I think I'm entitled to sex or hate women etc... And I'm fed up with it.
I have an idea.

If celibate men would stop openly complaining about being celibate, there would be less bigotry against them.

I mean it's like wearing a sign that says, "I Can't Get Laid, Kick Me!"


Agreed. How do people know you are celibate in order to demonstrate bigotry?
I don't go about life disclosing the details of my sexual status and men don't need to, either.


No man openly confesses such failures in the meatplace, this happens online only and I guess the OP was referring to the online bigotry.


There's the cultural thing as well in popular media. Take the big bang theory for example. It makes fun of nerdy shy guys who can't get laid.

You don't see shows like tgat about women, yes I know the included the Amy character... but in general there is a cultural trope that shy Virgin males are to be laughed at.


Good point hurtloam; very very true indeed; there’s literally thousands of shows and instances in movies and media mocking of male geeks/nerds and mocking of their “typical” virginity and dateleness, it was always a comedy material.

But at least they were portrayed as harmless before, now the incel thing may worsen their portrayal in media in a much uglier way.



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03 Dec 2018, 5:33 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
Fnord wrote:
magnetowasright wrote:
The initial point I was making with this thread was about how any men who are involuntarily celibate or chronically single or lonely are often unfairly grouped with the types of individuals who participate in incel forums. I personally never have been a part of any such group or followed their toxic ideologies. And yet I am so often told by others about how much I think I'm entitled to sex or hate women etc... And I'm fed up with it.
I have an idea.

If celibate men would stop openly complaining about being celibate, there would be less bigotry against them.

I mean it's like wearing a sign that says, "I Can't Get Laid, Kick Me!"


Agreed. How do people know you are celibate in order to demonstrate bigotry?
I don't go about life disclosing the details of my sexual status and men don't need to, either.


Let's try a little thought experiment. Let's try to apply this "logic" to other minorities, and see what that sounds like:

"If gay people would just keep it in the closet where the rest of us don't have to hear about it, there'd be no bigotry against them."

"If Muslim women would just stop wearing hijabs in public, there would be no bigotry against them."

"Racism wouldn't be an issue if black people would just suck it up and paint their faces white."

That is exactly what you sound like when you say sh!t like this.



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03 Dec 2018, 6:42 pm

magnetowasright wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
Fnord wrote:
magnetowasright wrote:
The initial point I was making with this thread was about how any men who are involuntarily celibate or chronically single or lonely are often unfairly grouped with the types of individuals who participate in incel forums. I personally never have been a part of any such group or followed their toxic ideologies. And yet I am so often told by others about how much I think I'm entitled to sex or hate women etc... And I'm fed up with it.
I have an idea.

If celibate men would stop openly complaining about being celibate, there would be less bigotry against them.

I mean it's like wearing a sign that says, "I Can't Get Laid, Kick Me!"


Agreed. How do people know you are celibate in order to demonstrate bigotry?
I don't go about life disclosing the details of my sexual status and men don't need to, either.


Let's try a little thought experiment. Let's try to apply this "logic" to other minorities, and see what that sounds like:

"If gay people would just keep it in the closet where the rest of us don't have to hear about it, there'd be no bigotry against them."

"If Muslim women would just stop wearing hijabs in public, there would be no bigotry against them."

"Racism wouldn't be an issue if black people would just suck it up and paint their faces white."

That is exactly what you sound like when you say sh!t like this.


Beat me to it. But his response will be that single men don’t matter and aren’t having real issues



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03 Dec 2018, 6:42 pm

Aspie19828 wrote:
A man who is married, drunk and beats up his wife and his children is lesser misogynist and a scum bag than a guy that has never dated because his standards are too high? Most guys are celibate by choice because they usually want the attractive fit women that are not interested in them. The guys do not want the less attractive unfit women who are interested in them.


That’s not true



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03 Dec 2018, 7:14 pm

The funny thing is, men who only want women for sex, get the women. :roll:



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03 Dec 2018, 7:51 pm

The idea of possessing people is outmoded & disturbing anyway. It conveys that people aren't naturally gravitating to each other. I'm not interested in control, I'm interested in open dialogue and uninterrupted fun that I don't have to spend years reading into just to enjoy.


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03 Dec 2018, 7:54 pm

sly279 wrote:
magnetowasright wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
Fnord wrote:
magnetowasright wrote:
The initial point I was making with this thread was about how any men who are involuntarily celibate or chronically single or lonely are often unfairly grouped with the types of individuals who participate in incel forums. I personally never have been a part of any such group or followed their toxic ideologies. And yet I am so often told by others about how much I think I'm entitled to sex or hate women etc... And I'm fed up with it.
I have an idea. If celibate men would stop openly complaining about being celibate, there would be less bigotry against them. I mean it's like wearing a sign that says, "I Can't Get Laid, Kick Me!"
Agreed. How do people know you are celibate in order to demonstrate bigotry? I don't go about life disclosing the details of my sexual status and men don't need to, either.
Let's try a little thought experiment. Let's try to apply this "logic" to other minorities, and see what that sounds like:

"If gay people would just keep it in the closet where the rest of us don't have to hear about it, there'd be no bigotry against them."

"If Muslim women would just stop wearing hijabs in public, there would be no bigotry against them."

"Racism wouldn't be an issue if black people would just suck it up and paint their faces white."

That is exactly what you sound like when you say sh!t like this.
Beat me to it. But his response will be that single men don’t matter and aren’t having real issues
Gay people, minorities, and most Muslims are born the way they are. Celibate men are that way either because of the lifestyle choices they make (weight, addictions, education, et cetera), or as secondary results of things they were born with — disabilities, deformities, and so forth.

But your response is likely to be “It’s not my fault” or “You’re just lucky” or something like that.



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03 Dec 2018, 7:57 pm

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The idea of possessing people is outmoded & disturbing anyway. It conveys that people aren't naturally gravitating to each other. I'm not interested in control, I'm interested in open dialogue and uninterrupted fun that I don't have to spend years reading into just to enjoy.
Ex-freakin-actly!

I’ve been married to the same woman for over a quarter-century, and I’m STILL trying to “read into” what’s going on. But that’s just part of the package.



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03 Dec 2018, 8:04 pm

It's been a year or two since I even remotely cared about who's dating who. We have all the time in the world as I see it.


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03 Dec 2018, 8:08 pm

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It's been a year or two since I even remotely cared about who's dating who. We have all the time in the world as I see it.


No we don't, our life cycle doesn't even make up 0.000000001% of all the time in the world.



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03 Dec 2018, 8:09 pm

All the time in the world is a lifetime.

We'll all be happier together if we collectively stop freaking out about these things.


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cberg wrote:
All the time in the world is a lifetime.


How long is a lifetime? Your life could end mere seconds from now.