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I mean, women talk about wanting to be able to do men's work, to thrive in a man's world, they can't have their cake and eat it too... They should approach men like a man approaches a woman. And the judgement factor shouldn't be in either of their favor, it should be 50/50.

Well thank you.

Many feminists are man-haters though. They look at men with much scorn and are absolutely paranoid of being associated with.

I don't have all the answers, found myself very curious about said subject (sexuality,attraction). curious why we do what we do.
watched alot, read alot, I can see by the 98+ posts that this is a powerfull issue........here are a few things to think about......(obviously from one womens exp.)
There seems to be some value in our "primitve human nature" that is overlooked in todays game playing mentality. I have read, seen ect., many theories. In watching I am inclined to think that while our societies may have changed greatly in last 100+ years, the outward expectations have changed alot for both sexes. Maybe especially for men(hunter, warrior v.s todays computer programer). So many variables have changed. read the other day 100 yrs. ago average life span was 50(think about that), wars put men to women ratio 2 to 1 or 3 to1 so forth.
I do not mean to sound cryptic, but maybe we are asking the wrong questions. Maybe women and men are instinctively /subconsiously stuck in another time, basic survival is thought by some to be the ultimate basis of attraction; women attracted to warriors types (physical survival), men drawn to youth and beauty as instinctive sighns for healthy, strong offspring.....
Last thought............. while I have suffered with said issue along with those whose posts I have read. Men, women alike. I have to say that as an "aspie" I find the touching thing difficullt/ didnt know why untill AS diag. but there was one person once. (touching thing went into full reverse by the way).
they were not good looking, money, education by any traditional standard.
What they did have was a willingness to fight 4 what they belevied in, make a stand for something even if the odds were against them ( all kinds of situations). , when they looked at me I felt like the only person in the world. I cannot tell u that looks will not matter at all, but really knowing who u are, deciding what u will stand for no matter what, having a" sense of humor" can just mean being able to laugh at yourself, to let lose and have crazy fun once in a while. As a society there seems to be alot of confusion, from about 15 different directions at one time. Maybe we have too much to take for granted? I do not know for sure. One thing I do get is that bitterness, hostility are not very attractive qualities in anyone, self included. Heres hoping that all of the very intellegent, insightfull characters here find someone that makes them feel alive enough to not worry so much about anything but the moment they are together and feels the same back.

You know I consider myself something of a Feminist.

Personally, I think feminism just gets a bad wrap. Mostly by focusing on the worst elements, and probably isn't feminism at all.

Yeah, some of those people hate men. I get it. But that kind of thing just keeps the woman's movement down. And quite frankly it's got enough things going against it.

Feminism has never been a united movement. There are so many schools of feminist thought that feminism can't be considered a movement at all; it would be more accurate to say it describes several approaches that aim to achieve the common goal of liberation.
There is indeed a 'man-hating' form of feminism, but believing that this attitude permeates feminism in all its forms shows an ignorance that I think most people university-educated in philosophy would be ashamed to admit to.

I think most feminism is a load of bs, men are WUSSES today, not real men, women think the ywant sensitive guys, but really they want charming, take charge, I ain't going to take none of (many) women's childish emotional crap, MEN! They want WINNERS in the game of life: Wealth, Health, looks, social skills, humour, shared interests and good conversation, and a companion.

I can agree with only a few goals with feminism: equality of opportunity, etc right to vote, work, etc... but look at how f****d up our society is now with the advent of TWO working parents who are at work all the time while their children are RAISED BY THE STATE. Doesn't anyone find that a little disturbing that families are becoming more disconnected today from each other then they ever have been? i.e. weak family bonds, weak shared understanding, etc, etc.

Anyway, women .. They want the whole package: Mind body and soul. But the problem is women are spoiled because men are the ones that have to line up for rejection. Women can have any dick they want at any time, not so in reverse for many guys.

Fact is a woman's attraction is extremely influenced by social status, this is why women and girlfriends are callled "monkeys", in relationships, they are usually always in relationships and only leave relationships when they have a firm hold on another branch (guy).

The sad fact is, many aspies are in near poverty jobs, jobless or on disability which, coupled with their weak social skills, its no wonder many suffer from depression or even want to commit suicide, sexual and emotional deprivation that takes place over years, sucks the will to live right out of them. It's simply sucks to be an aspie who's had a sh***y upbringing and has made so many mistakes that he ends up living with his parents ~30 or so years old, and even when he gets a 'stable' job/gets out, he's so far behind all the other guys out there.

Do you honestly think only aspie men suffer from this kind of poverty? Let me tell you buddy, it isn't any easier for some of us aspie women. While your stewing in your negative view of women, try to think of us as people first, rather than just potential sex partners. And many aspie women have all the same employment issues related to autism that many aspie men have.

If you think that social status and financial resources are so attractive to women that they would enter relationships based on these attributes, regardless of whether they were attracted or even liked the man, then I suggest you try it yourself. Go find someone who does not appeal to you, who has money, or status, and sell your ass to that person. I don't think you'd find it such an appealing opportunity.

But then, who knows, with your attitude maybe you would find such an opportunity appealing.

It certainly doesn't permeate all feminism, but anti-male sentiment does exist in most forms of feminism - just in different degrees. To me, feminism isn't about equality - it's about women advancing past men. An egalitarian wants equality, whether it be sexually, racially, or so forth.

I didn't say you were doomed, just that it can be hellishly tough, esp if you've been abused and you still live with your parents because you are poor or on disability into your late 20's early 30's etc. While there is life there is hope... but the older you get and the less change in social skills or financial status, the more difficult it will be.

How many Aspies really are like that though? I'm certainly not in that position.

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And you have me all wrong, I love women, I hate that I can't socialize and connect with them! Whenever they find out about my situation they leave, so really I know what its like out there.

I did not mean to insinuate aspie women did not have similar issues with poverty, but being women they have a lot easier time fulfilling their needs as women. AS guys usually have extreme difficulty with women and on top of being friendless or having few friends, jobless.. this makes them extremely suicidal. The kind of life many aspie males find themselves in, with no way out is a kind of hell I would not inflict on any normal man.

Many of them will commit suicide or not talk about their problems openly, or do not have any interest in the internt, many of them post on usenet groups. Plus they'd have to know about this site for them to post.

Until rape became illegal. What does this mean exactly? The whole of society says women are suppose to dress for men.. is this not enough? Do you think women should just put aside their own desires for a man's? Thats what men pay prostitutes for.
What men want does count.. it's just all the other men miss out. It's called mutual attraction. Blame your jealousy on the rival men not women.


No it doesn't. Thats what you decide to read into it.. on some level it justifies your resentment for women in general.

No it's not.. I don't need feminism or the 'right' genitalia to 'advance' beyond anybody.. I'd be superior regardless.

My, my my.. there are alot of men here who have had their names crossed off my list today; "She refused to show me her tits yet showed her confident boyfriend.. shallow b***h." Yes women like MEN but it's not because they might act like cave men.. it because they act like grown ups and not little boys.