have you ever been a target of a PUA (pick-up artist)?

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FYI about NLP

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdVQng43TUA&feature=related[/youtube]
This will show you some of the things that go on with using NLP


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cvp-cVz_ANM[/youtube]
Take note on what the guy being interviewed saids about PUA and rapport

Edit:hyperlexian from the sounds of the info you shared with us in your last comment.
P was using matching and mismatching rapport techniques to get you in and out of trance!!

Something like this whats being talking about in the following video
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVeE1ulD9FE&feature=related[/youtube]

I am really poor at recognising mindgames when they happen, or at understanding manipulation. But I do have good intuition, and I need to learn to listen to it more.

The annoying thing about the guy who I mentioned in the other thread is that I did not have a feeling at all that he wasnt right.

I could clearly see signs that all was not right, such as things not adding up, but at the time I was too trusting and not really of the mindset to examine people carefully.

I guess I have always been very straightforward and I couldnt recognise it when someone else wasnt. Now I can spot them more easily.

I am very good at catching people in lies though because I have a very long memory for things people have said. I also easily see inconsistencies in things people say. So that is probably the best edge I have.

How big is this PUA thing? Until the recent PUA thread in Love and Dating was made I had never heard of it. Is this PUA thing not just a type of personality in most cases?

I've met / endured loads of people like this including people I know currently that are good friends of mine. The maid example in the other thread reminded me of someone I know very well, using certain types of language and means of communication to let me know when I'm in the wrong, little hoops to jump through. Also compliments followed by put downs masked as a joke. There are other people close to me that have done this as well. Even my ex did it! I know these people aren't trying to pick me up but it's all the same, the blowing hot and cold, the desire to control the mind. The worst example is when I agree to do a favour for someone, they suddenly go out of their way to remind me how wonderful I am. Like giving a dog a treat. I digress slightly

Surely this method of manipulation is something that a lot of people learn from a very young age. Such people may decide (maybe subconsciously) to apply a little of this towards obtaining a date / one night stand. I don't think it makes them pick up artists. I'm sure plenty of PUAs exist but they exist as the minority that were taught a 'skill' that the much bigger minority already know.

The smooth fast talking the people in the video, it gives me a headache. Also I know that person is trying to fool me into something, because it demands me to keep HIS pace - so he will be the leader in the conversation and thus in control.

I had one by the door trying to sell me something I didn't want and I answered in the same fashion and speed, which stupified the person into Does-not-compute and he tried to get out of conversation asap .

I've heard of NLP and hypnotherapy but never really looked into it, I might as well do this.
The videos where informative beyond words, thanks .


@wefunction

Although the signals you are given might be plain for you, this isn't the case for most men to notice. Men and subtle signals don't really mix in general. Besides that, signals given and recieved could mean more things then what's obvious for you. So doing the mating dance gives better chances at success then asking it boldly, since most girls don't respond to well to such direct suggestions (afraid to be called a whore, slut and such...).

Bucephalus, i think that it can definitely be just a set of small manipulations in some cases. but there is also a multi-million dollar industry designed to teach men how to manipulate women using techniques similar to what cdfox7 showed in the videos. it involves such things as hypnosis etc. it is all well-known techniques, but utilized in a most demeaning and underhanded way. it's partly a matter of degree - manipulating a maid is minor compared to feeling violated after seduction by a PUA.