Females: do you consider yourself physically attractive?

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24 Jul 2012, 1:47 pm

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I'm a tourist in Rome today and when I was walking around the ruins I noticed that there were lots of young girls from all over the world in tank-tops with nice smooth skin and pretty breasts, and lots of smooth legs sticking out of pants the size of boxer shorts. That got me thinking that women's clothes seemed to be designed to reveal almost too much. Do women get this impression too? It's bad to show nipples and the vagina and you don't usually show your belly button unless you really want to look sexy, so these clothes seem to be the most revealing possible while still being socially acceptable.



Pretty much.

Reminds me of this cartoon commenting on the difference between freedom from and freedom to:
[img][800:517]http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee261/liberallady1/1.png[/img]


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24 Jul 2012, 3:06 pm

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I'm a tourist in Rome today and when I was walking around the ruins I noticed that there were lots of young girls from all over the world in tank-tops with nice smooth skin and pretty breasts, and lots of smooth legs sticking out of pants the size of boxer shorts. That got me thinking that women's clothes seemed to be designed to reveal almost too much. Do women get this impression too? It's bad to show nipples and the vagina and you don't usually show your belly button unless you really want to look sexy, so these clothes seem to be the most revealing possible while still being socially acceptable.

Somebody posted something about beards and I usually cut mine fairly short with scissors every couple of weeks. I don't believe that anyone should be ashamed of or have to alter anything that comes naturally, and this includes all bodily functions and emotions (although sometimes it might be good to practice emotional restraint). I don't believe that you should have to try to avoid farting or burping and so I generally don't bother doing this unless I'm around a pretty girl I want to impress. The only reason I shave my beard is because my girlfriend told me that she doesn't like it, and I saw a picture of myself with a large beard recently and I thought I looked somewhere between a hobo and a thug, so I have decided to continue cutting it even if that particular girl's opinion at some point is no longer as important to me.


Eh, in the summer it's nice to be able to put comfort first before considering that bodies of my gender are hypersexualized.


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24 Jul 2012, 3:35 pm

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I'm a tourist in Rome today and when I was walking around the ruins I noticed that there were lots of young girls from all over the world in tank-tops with nice smooth skin and pretty breasts, and lots of smooth legs sticking out of pants the size of boxer shorts. That got me thinking that women's clothes seemed to be designed to reveal almost too much. Do women get this impression too? It's bad to show nipples and the vagina and you don't usually show your belly button unless you really want to look sexy, so these clothes seem to be the most revealing possible while still being socially acceptable.

Somebody posted something about beards and I usually cut mine fairly short with scissors every couple of weeks. I don't believe that anyone should be ashamed of or have to alter anything that comes naturally, and this includes all bodily functions and emotions (although sometimes it might be good to practice emotional restraint). I don't believe that you should have to try to avoid farting or burping and so I generally don't bother doing this unless I'm around a pretty girl I want to impress. The only reason I shave my beard is because my girlfriend told me that she doesn't like it, and I saw a picture of myself with a large beard recently and I thought I looked somewhere between a hobo and a thug, so I have decided to continue cutting it even if that particular girl's opinion at some point is no longer as important to me.


I've noticed that many girls under 16 are wearing short shorts nowadays, which to me seems ridiculous. What's wrong with a good pair of mesh sport shorts to serve the same purpose? I wasn't allowed to wear anything revealing at that age. Even bikinis were not allowed.



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24 Jul 2012, 3:41 pm

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I'm a tourist in Rome today and when I was walking around the ruins I noticed that there were lots of young girls from all over the world in tank-tops with nice smooth skin and pretty breasts, and lots of smooth legs sticking out of pants the size of boxer shorts. That got me thinking that women's clothes seemed to be designed to reveal almost too much. Do women get this impression too? It's bad to show nipples and the vagina and you don't usually show your belly button unless you really want to look sexy, so these clothes seem to be the most revealing possible while still being socially acceptable.

Somebody posted something about beards and I usually cut mine fairly short with scissors every couple of weeks. I don't believe that anyone should be ashamed of or have to alter anything that comes naturally, and this includes all bodily functions and emotions (although sometimes it might be good to practice emotional restraint). I don't believe that you should have to try to avoid farting or burping and so I generally don't bother doing this unless I'm around a pretty girl I want to impress. The only reason I shave my beard is because my girlfriend told me that she doesn't like it, and I saw a picture of myself with a large beard recently and I thought I looked somewhere between a hobo and a thug, so I have decided to continue cutting it even if that particular girl's opinion at some point is no longer as important to me.


I've noticed that many girls under 16 are wearing short shorts nowadays, which to me seems ridiculous. What's wrong with a good pair of mesh sport shorts to serve the same purpose? I wasn't allowed to wear anything revealing at that age. Even bikinis were not allowed.


and there lies the truth. It has nothing to do with sexualization, it has all to do with doing things to feel bold. To be against the rules, to stand out, etc.



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24 Jul 2012, 3:46 pm

MXH wrote:
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I've noticed that many girls under 16 are wearing short shorts nowadays, which to me seems ridiculous. What's wrong with a good pair of mesh sport shorts to serve the same purpose? I wasn't allowed to wear anything revealing at that age. Even bikinis were not allowed.
and there lies the truth. It has nothing to do with sexualization, it has all to do with doing things to feel bold. To be against the rules, to stand out, etc.

Exactly. There isn't a sexual component for the young teens. It's just about fashion and being "cool" But they can attract unwanted attention and that can lead to very bad situations.



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24 Jul 2012, 3:47 pm

MXH wrote:
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ShamelessGit wrote:
I'm a tourist in Rome today and when I was walking around the ruins I noticed that there were lots of young girls from all over the world in tank-tops with nice smooth skin and pretty breasts, and lots of smooth legs sticking out of pants the size of boxer shorts. That got me thinking that women's clothes seemed to be designed to reveal almost too much. Do women get this impression too? It's bad to show nipples and the vagina and you don't usually show your belly button unless you really want to look sexy, so these clothes seem to be the most revealing possible while still being socially acceptable.

Somebody posted something about beards and I usually cut mine fairly short with scissors every couple of weeks. I don't believe that anyone should be ashamed of or have to alter anything that comes naturally, and this includes all bodily functions and emotions (although sometimes it might be good to practice emotional restraint). I don't believe that you should have to try to avoid farting or burping and so I generally don't bother doing this unless I'm around a pretty girl I want to impress. The only reason I shave my beard is because my girlfriend told me that she doesn't like it, and I saw a picture of myself with a large beard recently and I thought I looked somewhere between a hobo and a thug, so I have decided to continue cutting it even if that particular girl's opinion at some point is no longer as important to me.


I've noticed that many girls under 16 are wearing short shorts nowadays, which to me seems ridiculous. What's wrong with a good pair of mesh sport shorts to serve the same purpose? I wasn't allowed to wear anything revealing at that age. Even bikinis were not allowed.


and there lies the truth. It has nothing to do with sexualization, it has all to do with doing things to feel bold. To be against the rules, to stand out, etc.


I agree to some extent, but it's not really breaking any rules if their parents buy them those clothes. Sure, it's rebelling against societal norms and expectations of how good girls are meant to dress. But I wonder how much a 12 year old would really care about that.

It's not the end of the world, but if I had kids, I would not want them dressed in very revealing clothing, at least until they are adults.



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24 Jul 2012, 4:08 pm

metaldanielle wrote:
MXH wrote:
deltafunction wrote:
I've noticed that many girls under 16 are wearing short shorts nowadays, which to me seems ridiculous. What's wrong with a good pair of mesh sport shorts to serve the same purpose? I wasn't allowed to wear anything revealing at that age. Even bikinis were not allowed.
and there lies the truth. It has nothing to do with sexualization, it has all to do with doing things to feel bold. To be against the rules, to stand out, etc.

Exactly. There isn't a sexual component for the young teens. It's just about fashion and being "cool" But they can attract unwanted attention and that can lead to very bad situations.

indeed. Some of my parents friends have young daughter and between them and their friends ive learned that they do it because of the whole rebelling thing. I usually comment on them having such shorts and thats what they always answer. And always whine on how mom wont let them wear short shirts



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24 Jul 2012, 4:24 pm

ValentineWiggin wrote:
ShamelessGit wrote:
I'm a tourist in Rome today and when I was walking around the ruins I noticed that there were lots of young girls from all over the world in tank-tops with nice smooth skin and pretty breasts, and lots of smooth legs sticking out of pants the size of boxer shorts. That got me thinking that women's clothes seemed to be designed to reveal almost too much. Do women get this impression too? It's bad to show nipples and the vagina and you don't usually show your belly button unless you really want to look sexy, so these clothes seem to be the most revealing possible while still being socially acceptable.



Pretty much.

Reminds me of this cartoon commenting on the difference between freedom from and freedom to:
[img][800:517]http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee261/liberallady1/1.png[/img]


I don't get why the blonde's culture is cruel male-dominated, don't men in her culture go shirtless to the beach, and workout hours to look sexy while wearing arm/chest-revealing clothes? In her sexually-liberal culture, everyone is trying to look sexy.

A of of guys and girls in her culture love to wear those stuff (which are optional) because...well...humans are sexual creatures, get over it.



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24 Jul 2012, 4:31 pm

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I don't get why the blonde's culture is cruel male-dominated, don't men in her culture go shirtless to the beach, and workout hours to look sexy while wearing arm/chest-revealing clothes? In her sexually-liberal culture, everyone is trying to look sexy.

A of of guys and girls in her culture love to wear those stuff (which are optional) because...well...humans are sexual creatures, get over it.


you cant pretend be victimized if you dont play victim now cant you?



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24 Jul 2012, 6:27 pm

Gah, I just read through this thread...

I wear makeup when I want to, and it's not meant to garner the attraction or attention of guys. Men's opinions of me are completely meaningless to me for the most part.

I use makeup to accentuate my features, I love makeup. That said, no one ever guesses I'm wearing makeup, my sister is the only person who can tell the difference. I don't try to look natural per se, but I only lightly highlight what I like about my face.

There is no denying that women who wear makeup, dress well, and do their hair all within the lines of societal expectations likely encounter the perks of that, being treated a little differently, but there is a flipside to that and it's ridiculous to try to please everyone... but if you're taken less seriously at work, for example, there's nothing wrong with changing the way you dress and how you do your makeup to increase your chances of moving up in your workplace etc. If that's what YOU want, then do that and don't feel guilty about it or shallow...

When I where makeup, it's art, it's one way of expressing myself and communicating visually, much like my clothing and hair. I hope I'm not alone in this but I dress up and wear makeup because I feel good about it, not because I hope others will. We're going to face social consequences whether we do or don't wear makeup, so why not just do what makes you happy?



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24 Jul 2012, 11:52 pm

Not really. There are certain things about me I can't change which I would like to be able to.



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24 Jul 2012, 11:53 pm

hale_bopp wrote:
Not really. There are certain things about me I can't change which I would like to be able to.


Are you kidding? You're gorgeous!! !

Don't be so hard on yourself. You're one of the most fun, insightful people on here.


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25 Jul 2012, 7:05 am

The idea of men being behind how women dress and do makeup has never been fully substantiated with evidence, despite being a popular theory for years.

I'm not saying it is not true, I'm saying that it could be also because women compete with women.

Recent study showed that significant number of women who use social networks regularly, admited deliberately posting a picture, of a friend/associate which they thought to be unattractive or unflattering.

The fact is men don't tend to know much about makeup, and the tastes in makeup are not necessarily the same. What would be a significant focus in one group to the point of obsession could be totally irrelevant to the other.

Personally I'm not hot on makeup, because it has to come off anyway. Also to me cosmetic surgery and some makeup create a hyper-real appearance, which I not only don't find attractive, I find it diffuclt to look at. I think it is something to do with being aware for the deception, and being unable to suspend disbelief.

On the other hand I'm for freedom of expression, and I also understand that for some people if give them some confidence. However I think it can become obsessive and destructive sometime.

My preference is without. However I do understand people like to take care of their appearance. I prefer that natural look, but also texture. Makeup doesn't feel right to the touch, id don't really like it when a made up face touches mine (:shivers)

Also since when does foundation look like skin? I just doesn't. You can't substitute the texture and look of of skin even 'good' skin. Also I think our idea of 'good' skin has changed. We seem to be against the mechanics of the face. Naturally you are going to get lines. A face without expression is dead.

Lipstick I'm not sure about. I certainly don't like the plastic look of it, especially glossy. I don't like long nails they creep me out, no problem with nail polish on short nails on occasion. Eye makeup I don't get so much. A lot of it just look drawn on (which is essentially the case), I don't really understand the appeal of longer lashes. All the dark colour applied can make the eye socket look receded, or give the appearance of a black eye (in fact on one person I genuinely thought hat to be the case due to their complexion and being applied more on one eye). Redefining the line of the eyebrows, now that is just plain comical, I kind of expect a cabaret number to be sung imminently.

So yes I'm picky, I admit.



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25 Jul 2012, 7:49 am

I'm okay, I guess.



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25 Jul 2012, 7:58 am

I feel that I am ok most of the time. Some days are better than others. I am often told that I look good, so I guess it is true, to a certain value of truth.

Sometimes I wear makeup, sometimes I don´t. It has often soemthing to do with time (got twins and two other kids). I used to have a job that sometimes demanded very formal apparence, that was fun. I like to dress up in a suit and full makeup sometimes. Sometimes not. I like to dress up when going out, just for the fun of it.

When younger I used to have lilac or green or black or blue hair and goth like makeup, no problem getting attention from men (which, by the way, was not the intention). I have always done it for my own sake, not to attract anybody. I like to go out and have fun with my friends but have never been interested in attracting a man for the night :nerdy: If people can not accept my tattoos and style, then I don´t need them (sometimes it has it´s good points to be Asperger).

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25 Jul 2012, 8:09 am

Well, yes and no. I am attractive to other people, apparently, but I don't feel like I have the right body for my personality. I have a womanly figure, while I consider myself more at the androgynous end of the scale. I'd rather swap my shapely bits for a slightly boyish, athletic figure.

So, I'm happy with the way I look, but I don't think it suits me.