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2. Personal attacks.
This includes insinuation, ridicule and personal insults, regardless of whether direct or indirect. Attacking an opinion, belief or philosophy is acceptable, but attacking the person making the comments is not.
It's not like this is the only thread where "liberals" receive a bashing from you - it seems to be a common theme with many of your posts here so please, tone it down and address the issues instead of parading your opinions of the people discussing them.
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I am. But so what? Stereotypes are an invaluable epistemological tool provided they are employed correctly.
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I am. But so what? Stereotypes are an invaluable epistemological tool provided they are employed correctly.
So according to you, to "prejudice" someone according to an lawful trial should not be done, but prejudicing according to some stereotypes is good?
You remember my question of the other thread, where I asked if those opinions of you, come pretty quickly, according to how useful they actually are to you?
Stereotypes are ridiculous so back on topic any place that doesn't involve multiple men stereotyping! Hmm a museum would be a great place if your into scientists like geologists archeologists and paleontologists!
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I am. But so what? Stereotypes are an invaluable epistemological tool provided they are employed correctly.
And that brings us to the question of "who is entitled to or who has the right to employ stereotypes?"
Is it ok if someone were to stereotype you? Would their stereotype be false and yours correct?
Basically, a stereotype is something that is frequently true, but not always. Therefore, any proposition we make concerning something that isn't true one hundred percent of the time, or zero percent of the time, that proposition is a stereotype. As such, we all use stereotypes. The question is the purposes we use them for, and how well we use them.
Please consider the following stereotype: Men are taller than women. Unless I say ALL men or NO men are taller than women, it is a stereotype, or something that is usually, though not always, true. Of course, you could retort by pointing to too-tall Sally, as the tallest person in the room. And you would be right; it's the nature of stereotypes. But usually, the tallest person in the room will be a man. It's a stereotype.
In fact, there is an entire mathematical discipline founded on stereotypes: Probability and Statistics, since this is the quantification of things that are not absolutes.
People don't understand stereotypes well because of postmodernism's obsession with the marginalized and the exception over the rule. The other reason is low intelligence, with intelligence being defined as the ability to entertain and manipulate abstractions. All or none aren't abstractions; even animals easily understand the difference. The difference between all, some, and none is an abstraction. This is why the less intelligent and poorly educated are much more likely to play the lottery than the intelligent and well educated. The former just don't understand how low the probability of winning is, and will spend their last dollars on lottery tickets.
So, I don't object to stereotypes being applied to me, though I would prefer they be well thought out.
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2. Personal attacks.
This includes insinuation, ridicule and personal insults, regardless of whether direct or indirect. Attacking an opinion, belief or philosophy is acceptable, but attacking the person making the comments is not.
It's not like this is the only thread where "liberals" receive a bashing from you - it seems to be a common theme with many of your posts here so please, tone it down and address the issues instead of parading your opinions of the people discussing them.
I notice you are short on specifics. Can you show me where I have made a personal attack? Convince me that is the case, and I will offer profuse apologies. This is not my intention.
Since you present no evidence of a personal attack, or any other violation of the aforementioned rules, is it the case that my input here is not welcome? Is this site only for liberals? Since I believe in property rights, including yours, if only liberal posting is allowed, just tell me. I accept your right to discriminate against me for good reasons, bad reasons, or no reasons at all. If I'm not welcome here, I won't come back.
yeah, what was it that an ad hominem looks like again?
An ad hominem attack is one that attacks the person rather than their ideas. Any more questions?
yes, I do have some more questions:
1. why are you referring to me as 'you liberals abhorred with stereotypes'
2. how is what you state above relevant to the comment I made to Smudge about the fact you are more likely to talk to her now that you know she is female
Thank you for your time.
I say that liberals are abhorred with stereotypes because they are. When was the last time you heard of stereotypes being referred to positively by liberals? As far as liberals not being good at drawing stereotypes, when was the last time liberals drew an accurate stereotype? An example of an accurate stereotype is that women bear children. (This is a stereotype because it is true enough to constitute a pattern (most women will bear children in their lifetimes), but obviously it is not always true, as some women cannot or will not bear children.)
How do you know I'm more likely to want to talk to genius because she is female? That's something I'm not aware of. I would add that Genius has said that she is not interested in a long-distance relationship. It is also the case that I have my own relationship and am not interested in anything romantic. I could add that of the intellectual types I know, they are all men. It would be nice to have a woman's perspective on things.
Are you willing to consider the possibility that my interest in Genius may be because we potentially hold common interests--interests that few people share?
I asked you why you referred to ME as a Liberal. On what grounds?
As for the bolded bit, it seems you misread what I originally wrote or it is so inherent in your attitudes that it doesn't even register as a difference. Either way, you have failed to explain yourself in regard to this original comment you made to me. I couldn't care less what your interest in Halfmadgenius is, the conversation I commented on was between you and Smudge. Are you not even aware that you are referencing two different people? Please don't get annoyed with me off the bat, we are all mostly on spectrum here and you are bound to have your issues like all of us have ours. When all is said and done though, you may need to examine whether you may be prone to exactly the type of behaviour you most often object to from others.
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yeah, what was it that an ad hominem looks like again?
An ad hominem attack is one that attacks the person rather than their ideas. Any more questions?
yes, I do have some more questions:
1. why are you referring to me as 'you liberals abhorred with stereotypes'
2. how is what you state above relevant to the comment I made to Smudge about the fact you are more likely to talk to her now that you know she is female
Thank you for your time.
I say that liberals are abhorred with stereotypes because they are. When was the last time you heard of stereotypes being referred to positively by liberals? As far as liberals not being good at drawing stereotypes, when was the last time liberals drew an accurate stereotype? An example of an accurate stereotype is that women bear children. (This is a stereotype because it is true enough to constitute a pattern (most women will bear children in their lifetimes), but obviously it is not always true, as some women cannot or will not bear children.)
How do you know I'm more likely to want to talk to genius because she is female? That's something I'm not aware of. I would add that Genius has said that she is not interested in a long-distance relationship. It is also the case that I have my own relationship and am not interested in anything romantic. I could add that of the intellectual types I know, they are all men. It would be nice to have a woman's perspective on things.
Are you willing to consider the possibility that my interest in Genius may be because we potentially hold common interests--interests that few people share?
I asked you why you referred to ME as a Liberal. On what grounds?
As for the bolded bit, it seems you misread what I originally wrote or it is so inherent in your attitudes that it doesn't even register as a difference. Either way, you have failed to explain yourself in regard to this original comment you made to me. I couldn't care less what your interest in Halfmadgenius is, the conversation I commented on was between you and Smudge. Are you not even aware that you are referencing two different people? Please don't get annoyed with me off the bat, we are all mostly on spectrum here and you are bound to have your issues like all of us have ours. When all is said and done though, you may need to examine whether you may be prone to exactly the type of behaviour you most often object to from others.
I say you are a liberal from reading your posts in the past. If you want specifics, you will need to unlock your posts on your personal identity page, and I can supply you with plenty.
Out of curiosity, would you consider yourself anything but liberal? Do you consider yourself to be a conservative?
As far as the comment to Smudge, please paste specifically what you are referring to.
yeah, what was it that an ad hominem looks like again?
An ad hominem attack is one that attacks the person rather than their ideas. Any more questions?
yes, I do have some more questions:
1. why are you referring to me as 'you liberals abhorred with stereotypes'
2. how is what you state above relevant to the comment I made to Smudge about the fact you are more likely to talk to her now that you know she is female
Thank you for your time.
I say that liberals are abhorred with stereotypes because they are. When was the last time you heard of stereotypes being referred to positively by liberals? As far as liberals not being good at drawing stereotypes, when was the last time liberals drew an accurate stereotype? An example of an accurate stereotype is that women bear children. (This is a stereotype because it is true enough to constitute a pattern (most women will bear children in their lifetimes), but obviously it is not always true, as some women cannot or will not bear children.)
How do you know I'm more likely to want to talk to genius because she is female? That's something I'm not aware of. I would add that Genius has said that she is not interested in a long-distance relationship. It is also the case that I have my own relationship and am not interested in anything romantic. I could add that of the intellectual types I know, they are all men. It would be nice to have a woman's perspective on things.
Are you willing to consider the possibility that my interest in Genius may be because we potentially hold common interests--interests that few people share?
I asked you why you referred to ME as a Liberal. On what grounds?
As for the bolded bit, it seems you misread what I originally wrote or it is so inherent in your attitudes that it doesn't even register as a difference. Either way, you have failed to explain yourself in regard to this original comment you made to me. I couldn't care less what your interest in Halfmadgenius is, the conversation I commented on was between you and Smudge. Are you not even aware that you are referencing two different people? Please don't get annoyed with me off the bat, we are all mostly on spectrum here and you are bound to have your issues like all of us have ours. When all is said and done though, you may need to examine whether you may be prone to exactly the type of behaviour you most often object to from others.
He uses the liberal label in order to "other" you. Make it clear that you and your views are simply inferior to his by reinforcing his own streotypes. For narrowminded people who can only use stereotypes to explain their views, liberal can mean whatever he wants it too. It's just another word for Demon in his eyes.........Doesn't matter if it's a political discussion or not either. Once you're labelled you become part of his stereotype.
yeah, what was it that an ad hominem looks like again?
An ad hominem attack is one that attacks the person rather than their ideas. Any more questions?
yes, I do have some more questions:
1. why are you referring to me as 'you liberals abhorred with stereotypes'
2. how is what you state above relevant to the comment I made to Smudge about the fact you are more likely to talk to her now that you know she is female
Thank you for your time.
I say that liberals are abhorred with stereotypes because they are. When was the last time you heard of stereotypes being referred to positively by liberals? As far as liberals not being good at drawing stereotypes, when was the last time liberals drew an accurate stereotype? An example of an accurate stereotype is that women bear children. (This is a stereotype because it is true enough to constitute a pattern (most women will bear children in their lifetimes), but obviously it is not always true, as some women cannot or will not bear children.)
How do you know I'm more likely to want to talk to genius because she is female? That's something I'm not aware of. I would add that Genius has said that she is not interested in a long-distance relationship. It is also the case that I have my own relationship and am not interested in anything romantic. I could add that of the intellectual types I know, they are all men. It would be nice to have a woman's perspective on things.
Are you willing to consider the possibility that my interest in Genius may be because we potentially hold common interests--interests that few people share?
I asked you why you referred to ME as a Liberal. On what grounds?
As for the bolded bit, it seems you misread what I originally wrote or it is so inherent in your attitudes that it doesn't even register as a difference. Either way, you have failed to explain yourself in regard to this original comment you made to me. I couldn't care less what your interest in Halfmadgenius is, the conversation I commented on was between you and Smudge. Are you not even aware that you are referencing two different people? Please don't get annoyed with me off the bat, we are all mostly on spectrum here and you are bound to have your issues like all of us have ours. When all is said and done though, you may need to examine whether you may be prone to exactly the type of behaviour you most often object to from others.
I say you are a liberal from reading your posts in the past. If you want specifics, you will need to unlock your posts on your personal identity page, and I can supply you with plenty.
Out of curiosity, would you consider yourself anything but liberal? Do you consider yourself to be a conservative?
As far as the comment to Smudge, please paste specifically what you are referring to.
So, really, how is this not an ad hominem?
As for the comment to Smudge it's been pasted and re-pasted more times than I can count now. If you are going to continue avoiding this issue there is nothing I can do about it (other than apologise AGAIN for my part in derailing of this thread)
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yeah, what was it that an ad hominem looks like again?
An ad hominem attack is one that attacks the person rather than their ideas. Any more questions?
yes, I do have some more questions:
1. why are you referring to me as 'you liberals abhorred with stereotypes'
2. how is what you state above relevant to the comment I made to Smudge about the fact you are more likely to talk to her now that you know she is female
Thank you for your time.
I say that liberals are abhorred with stereotypes because they are. When was the last time you heard of stereotypes being referred to positively by liberals? As far as liberals not being good at drawing stereotypes, when was the last time liberals drew an accurate stereotype? An example of an accurate stereotype is that women bear children. (This is a stereotype because it is true enough to constitute a pattern (most women will bear children in their lifetimes), but obviously it is not always true, as some women cannot or will not bear children.)
How do you know I'm more likely to want to talk to genius because she is female? That's something I'm not aware of. I would add that Genius has said that she is not interested in a long-distance relationship. It is also the case that I have my own relationship and am not interested in anything romantic. I could add that of the intellectual types I know, they are all men. It would be nice to have a woman's perspective on things.
Are you willing to consider the possibility that my interest in Genius may be because we potentially hold common interests--interests that few people share?
I asked you why you referred to ME as a Liberal. On what grounds?
As for the bolded bit, it seems you misread what I originally wrote or it is so inherent in your attitudes that it doesn't even register as a difference. Either way, you have failed to explain yourself in regard to this original comment you made to me. I couldn't care less what your interest in Halfmadgenius is, the conversation I commented on was between you and Smudge. Are you not even aware that you are referencing two different people? Please don't get annoyed with me off the bat, we are all mostly on spectrum here and you are bound to have your issues like all of us have ours. When all is said and done though, you may need to examine whether you may be prone to exactly the type of behaviour you most often object to from others.
He uses the liberal label in order to "other" you. Make it clear that you and your views are simply inferior to his by reinforcing his own streotypes. For narrowminded people who can only use stereotypes to explain their views, liberal can mean whatever he wants it too. It's just another word for Demon in his eyes.........Doesn't matter if it's a political discussion or not either. Once you're labelled you become part of his stereotype.
So, I'm guilty of "othering", huh? Is this some kind of new transgression against Political Correctness? Do you think if I were to drop dead that the rest of the world would join together and hold hands, smoke pot, and sing "We Are the World" in perfect harmony?
Tell me, are my views as good as yours, or would you consider my views to be "inferior" to yours?
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So, really, how is this not an ad hominem?
It's simple. An ad hominem attack is a personal attack in lieu of an argument. Even if liberal were an insulting term, it's not an ad hominem attack when it is the result of an argument.
As for the comment to Smudge it's been pasted and re-pasted more times than I can count now. If you are going to continue avoiding this issue there is nothing I can do about it (other than apologise AGAIN for my part in derailing of this thread)
You would have to know how high you can count, but I want to know specifically what you are referring to. I don't want any room for miscommunication.
If you are apologizing for asking these questions, why did you ask them? As for me, if somebody here cares to ask me a civil question, I feel obligated to respond, especially when it is a request for clarification, or in defense of something I said.
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