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01 Nov 2014, 1:50 pm

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You say IQ means nothing but what about height? That's another genetically determined number, and one that women use to judge men all the time.

Height means nothing in the real would either, but to women it's deadly important. Am I not allowed to think intelligence is important in a partner? But my potential partners are allowed to judge me on my height? How is that fair?


Very good point.

Yeah I can see now, you have the total right to think intelligence is important in a partner.

And yes, you have the total right to reject a woman who has a significantly lowert IQ than yours as much how many women have the right to reject men because they are shorter than them.


There's nothing wrong with wanting a partner to be intelligent. It is actually one of the things that I seek- reason being that there are some subjects that I love discussing that require more than superficial examination. If someone isn't big on long discussions and analyzing things, etc etc etc, doesn't really love learning just for the sake of learning- we probably won't be as compatible.

My issue was the statement and restatement, emphasis by the OP on how intelligent he is and then this assertion that people who are not as intelligent are of lower value. I was expressing in my post that because someone doesn't appear as intelligent, it doesn't make that individual a problem and the OP not a problem. It is simply that they are different individuals. But to assume that one is of "lower value" than the other is insulting and rather ridiculous.

RE: height. I can't tell you why other women seek men who are taller. I am about 5'9". I seek men who are my height or taller because I have a personal insecurity. I am completely aware of this and have worked on it, and will tell people about it. I've tried to date guys shorter than me- it didn't work out but I am pretty sure it wouldn't have even if they were much taller.

Being as tall as I am, so much taller than any of my friends and many women I meet... having a male companion who is [at least a little bit] taller than me reminds me that I am feminine too. That's what it is about for me.
Not that men who are shorter than me are of lower value.
Same with men who may or may not be of lesser intelligence- which is something I can't even actually judge in most cases. Maybe I'm just boring, or they have different interests, or my voice is annoying, or [online] they don't type as fast or well as I do... or, or, or.

Or maybe they aren't as intelligent as I? We could get along, so it doesn't necessarily dictate that I *require* a specific level of intellect and immediately if you don't hav XIQ I would not give you a chance. So what i mean when i say IQ doesn't mean anything is that I have met some REAL dumbasses who were in the superior intelligence or genius range and I have met some truly insightful individuals who hover just about 100 as tested.

IQ really doesn't mean much but how you behave and what you can demonstrate does. That's why a lot of people don't run around boasting about their IQ. It doesn't really mean much in the real world.


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01 Nov 2014, 2:37 pm

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Reprehensive people in hisory have found "love" because they were all powerful and wealthy.


And because despite being horrible people in the grand scheme of things these people were decent, personable people to interact with on a one-on-one basis.


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01 Nov 2014, 2:45 pm

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Reprehensible people in hisory have found "love" because they were all powerful and wealthy.


And because despite being horrible people in the grand scheme of things these people were decent, personable people to interact with on a one-on-one basis.


What you are saying makes no sense, some of these people were literally monsters in human form.



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01 Nov 2014, 2:59 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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Reprehensible people in hisory have found "love" because they were all powerful and wealthy.


And because despite being horrible people in the grand scheme of things these people were decent, personable people to interact with on a one-on-one basis.


What you are saying makes no sense, some of these people were literally monsters in human form.


Sometimes people compartmentalize evil. I've heard some Nazis did this. They tortured people in the camps but did not bring their violence into their families.



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01 Nov 2014, 3:03 pm

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Reprehensible people in hisory have found "love" because they were all powerful and wealthy.


And because despite being horrible people in the grand scheme of things these people were decent, personable people to interact with on a one-on-one basis.


What you are saying makes no sense, some of these people were literally monsters in human form.


:?

You can't understand the idea that evil people can be nice?

Not every person who is a monster is constantly doing horrible things to others at every given opportunity. A lot of humanity's worst people were polite, charismatic people who their close friends and political allies considered pleasant to be around. They would have never risen to a position of power to be capable of committing large-scale evil without these personality traits. Questioning this actually makes no sense unless you're talking about poorly written villains from children's cartoons.


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01 Nov 2014, 3:06 pm

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funeralxempire wrote:
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Reprehensible people in hisory have found "love" because they were all powerful and wealthy.


And because despite being horrible people in the grand scheme of things these people were decent, personable people to interact with on a one-on-one basis.


What you are saying makes no sense, some of these people were literally monsters in human form.


:?

You can't understand the idea that evil people can be nice?

Not every person who is a monster is constantly doing horrible things to others at every given opportunity. A lot of humanity's worst people were polite, charismatic people who their close friends and political allies considered pleasant to be around. They would have never risen to a position of power to be capable of committing large-scale evil without these personality traits. Questioning this actually makes no sense unless you're talking about poorly written villains from children's cartoons.


Ok.



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01 Nov 2014, 3:16 pm

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funeralxempire wrote:
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Reprehensible people in hisory have found "love" because they were all powerful and wealthy.


And because despite being horrible people in the grand scheme of things these people were decent, personable people to interact with on a one-on-one basis.


What you are saying makes no sense, some of these people were literally monsters in human form.


Sometimes people compartmentalize evil. I've heard some Nazis did this. They tortured people in the camps but did not bring their violence into their families.


That's a glaringly obvious example, but you've got it.

Most of the people who commit large-scale evils are able to because they have a large number of loyal supporters. They gain these supporters because they typically have a large number of traits we tend to associate with morally good people. They're charismatic and able to appear empathetic. They're often loyal, dedicated and hard working. They often set lofty ideological goals to work towards and try to get people to cooperate towards those goals. They appear, to the people who follow them, to be good people.

Whether it's dictators, cult leaders or terrorist leaders the same principle occurs.

Really evil people don't go around committing petty little acts of evil like kicking puppies and stealing from orphans, they commit massive evil because the goals they believe to be good bring severe harm to people and their means of achieving those goals infringe on others basic rights. And they're able to do this because they motivate other people with good intentions to assist them.


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01 Nov 2014, 3:17 pm

That's an interesting about smart people here:
http://www.quora.com/Whats-it-like-to-h ... super-easy

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I was once married to a man with an IQ of 170. After we broke up he was diagnosed with Asperger syndrome and ADD. Life is in no way easier; in many ways it is far more difficult. Nobody seems logical; everything and everyone is a shade of gray, nothing is black and white. Even easy decisions get mired in possibilities. Sure, work is super-easy, but it's also boring and hard to find real challenges, and one gets mired in the politics that are illogical and emotional and downright stupid. His difficulty in life was trying to reduce everything to a model. Of course the world cannot be reduced to a model. In a discussion, he would try to define the criteria by which to judge the discussion (the model), then he would "win" because he had defined them. Most people didn't catch on to this. And nobody gets issued common sense to go with a high IQ. The two might even be inversely correlated.

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I tested with an IQ surpassing 150 as a child, though after all the drink and drugs consumed through my young adult life I think I've managed to whittle myself down to about 140.

I may have found many things easier than other people; standardized tests, certainly. However, I always found it difficult to tolerate people who seemed to not 'get' things, and nobody likes someone who seems frustrated with them all the time. Take all the angst and superiority of a hormonal teen male and give it knowledge without experience, and you'd have a pretty accurate simulacra of what my youth was like. I wouldn't have called it super easy, but whose adolesence ever is?

As an adukt, I get along with all kinds of people after realizing that intelligence is akin to handedness; a righty is no better than a southpaw. They simply handle the world differently.



My brother is like that, very high IQ, and intolerant to anything he perceives as stupid or illogical.



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01 Nov 2014, 4:13 pm

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At work I have been interviewing job candidates for programming roles.

So I am a programmer, and one good enough to judge others. When I tell my employer, candidate x is competent, and candidate y is a no-hoper, they make important hiring decisions based on that feedback.


Repeating over & over that you are soooo smart makes you sound uber-insecure. Super-smart people? Usually aren't.

How tall are you? How fit are you? How bald are you?

And are the women who don't return your messages approximately as "attractive" as you, going by those same measures?

Because if you're a pudgy, short, bald & super-smart 48 yr old who emails only 21 yo blonde super-hotties who are super-smart... well, that's why you're getting no replies.

(If you rewrote your profile in an attempt to not come off as an over-entitled, condescending her, it'd probably help too!!).


Heightism, ageism, baldism....all in one post lol.


Plus, why are you assuming he is any of this, and why you are assuming he's messaging only smart hot blondes?

Because society's stereotype of a single autistic man (especially one being a programmer) is basically nothing but that.



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01 Nov 2014, 4:43 pm

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At work I have been interviewing job candidates for programming roles.

So I am a programmer, and one good enough to judge others. When I tell my employer, candidate x is competent, and candidate y is a no-hoper, they make important hiring decisions based on that feedback.


Repeating over & over that you are soooo smart makes you sound uber-insecure. Super-smart people? Usually aren't.

How tall are you? How fit are you? How bald are you?

And are the women who don't return your messages approximately as "attractive" as you, going by those same measures?

Because if you're a pudgy, short, bald & super-smart 48 yr old who emails only 21 yo blonde super-hotties who are super-smart... well, that's why you're getting no replies.

(If you rewrote your profile in an attempt to not come off as an over-entitled, condescending her, it'd probably help too!!).


Heightism, ageism, baldism....all in one post lol.


Plus, why are you assuming he is any of this, and why you are assuming he's messaging only smart hot blondes?

Because society's stereotype of a single autistic man (especially one being a programmer) is basically nothing but that.


I suspect JJ is a sock puppet of the banned T. - but I have no proof; just a gut feeling.



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01 Nov 2014, 6:04 pm

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Sure, but it is NOT the norm and by far most 21 year olds would never even consider dating someone as old as their dad.


Being neurodiverse is not the norm either.

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Not too weird imo. Pretty easy to see why they wouldn't want to.


Why is that? Because of the ageism of our culture, because they are NTs or because of what?

I think that 40+ males that seek sexual contact with teenagers are really creepy, but that doesn't apply to those that are romantically interested in this group. I think they have a right to be, and if a few females feel they want an older partner, our prejudice shouldn't stop them.


The guy who started this thread's problem was not hearing back from ANY of the women he messages on a dating website. Whatever he is doing isn't working. It's not ageist, fat-ist or height-ist to point out that folks tend to want to date someone as attractive/smart/old as they are.



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01 Nov 2014, 6:17 pm

jerry00 wrote:
At work I have been interviewing job candidates for programming roles.

So I am a programmer, and one good enough to judge others. When I tell my employer, candidate x is competent, and candidate y is a no-hoper, they make important hiring decisions based on that feedback.


You sound exactly like my ex boyfriend. Your ego is absolutely insane, Guess what.. he is now in his 40's, childless and lonely.



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01 Nov 2014, 6:32 pm

Jjancee wrote:
rdos wrote:
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Sure, but it is NOT the norm and by far most 21 year olds would never even consider dating someone as old as their dad.


Being neurodiverse is not the norm either.

Cafeaulait wrote:
Not too weird imo. Pretty easy to see why they wouldn't want to.


Why is that? Because of the ageism of our culture, because they are NTs or because of what?

I think that 40+ males that seek sexual contact with teenagers are really creepy, but that doesn't apply to those that are romantically interested in this group. I think they have a right to be, and if a few females feel they want an older partner, our prejudice shouldn't stop them.


The guy who started this thread's problem was not hearing back from ANY of the women he messages on a dating website. Whatever he is doing isn't working. It's not ageist, fat-ist or height-ist to point out that folks tend to want to date someone as attractive/smart/old as they are.


I don't think anyone cares that he doesn't want to date these people. He doesn't have to like them and he doesn't have to want to date them. That is his right. It's his nasty attitude towards other people, his ridiculous ego and inability to see himself in the light other people might see him, and swearing at other people in here that is causing people to get annoyed, nothing else.



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01 Nov 2014, 7:20 pm

hale_bopp wrote:
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At work I have been interviewing job candidates for programming roles.

So I am a programmer, and one good enough to judge others. When I tell my employer, candidate x is competent, and candidate y is a no-hoper, they make important hiring decisions based on that feedback.


You sound exactly like my ex boyfriend. Your ego is absolutely insane, Guess what.. he is now in his 40's, childless and lonely.


Jerry, that's something for your employability. I don't think it has much influence when it comes to dating. That's something to put less emphasis on when it comes to finding a romantic interest.

It doesn't matter if you have a degree from MIT or if you are a brilliant minded mathematical computer scientist, if you are walking around with a sense of bitterness and arrogance, people are going to sense that.



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02 Nov 2014, 12:32 am

Jjancee wrote:
jerry00 wrote:
At work I have been interviewing job candidates for programming roles.

So I am a programmer, and one good enough to judge others. When I tell my employer, candidate x is competent, and candidate y is a no-hoper, they make important hiring decisions based on that feedback.


Repeating over & over that you are soooo smart makes you sound uber-insecure. Super-smart people? Usually aren't.

How tall are you? How fit are you? How bald are you?

And are the women who don't return your messages approximately as "attractive" as you, going by those same measures?

Because if you're a pudgy, short, bald & super-smart 48 yr old who emails only 21 yo blonde super-hotties who are super-smart... well, that's why you're getting no replies.

(If you rewrote your profile in an attempt to not come off as an over-entitled, condescending her, it'd probably help too!!).


Hey, there is nothing wrong with being proud of one's achievements. Besides running down every guy you see on this forum, what have you done with your life?


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02 Nov 2014, 1:53 am

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It's not *my* summary, in the sense that I didn't come up with the idea. I always thought that being friends first was the most obvious way to have a good relationship...then I joined this board and everybody seemed to be saying that wasn't an option - if you didn't ask the girl out within say three weeks then she'd friendzone you.


From the guy view of this, I don't think friendship is a possible route for me. I have never gotten a romantic interest in a girl that I knew a lot about beforehand. All my crushes have required that the girl be a stranger to me.


similar. you either a friend or a lover in my mind.

not that I don't want my lover to be my companion which is like my best best friend. but it needs to be built up as a romantic relationship. I want to be friends, but not just friends. I can't become romantically involved with a friend.