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23 Apr 2015, 3:18 pm

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The part in bold I can tell you for a fact is not true. As for the second part, consider this: I spent most of my late years in high school as the designated Nice GuyTM unpaid therapist for most of the girls in my class, and I can tell you that in all of our conversations NOT ONCE did any of them even mention sex, nor gave any indication that it was in any way important to them. :roll:


...because you were the designated Nice GuyTM that they weren't sexually interested in and also didn't want to lead on...

I'm the designated Gay GuyTM at work, and a few of the women I work with have been a little open about their sexual desires/relationship issues. Women certainly do like sex and guys they find sexually attractive.

Mind you, males' sexual peak is around ~18-20 years old whereas women's is more like ~30ish or so years old, so that may explain why you wouldn't hear too much about it from teenaged girls and a little more from 20-30 something bar waitresses.

But still... fact is, women like sex, too. They just didn't tell you about it.


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23 Apr 2015, 4:30 pm

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For a surprisingly simple reason:

SEX. That's right! If someone really is sexy and turns you on, you're willing to put up with a lousy relationship to get in the sack with them. This is why women stick with bad boys who treat them like dogsh*t because they find these men sexually attractive and believe they can change them. You are sorely mistaken if sex isn't a motivating factor for women and it's just as important if not moreso than social status.


Again, that's only true if you're a man. And you seem to be missing the point; it's like you said if you're someone in a relationship who's more attractive to the opposite sex than you are, then that person is going to endlessly tax you and extract as much of you as they can whilst giving almost nothing in return. This means that if you're a man dating a woman who's out of your league, then she'll always give you the least amount of sex she can get away with. I mean, are endless months of concessions and sacrifice really worth it, only for her to lay on her back once in a blue moon and let you pound away at her for 30 minutes? :roll:

I'd rather be in a relationship with a less attractive girl where we're in relatively even footing and where I can get what I want from her, rather than being with a super-model who'll do nothing but make endless demands of me.

Incidentally, if you're a low-status woman in a relationship with a higher-status male, you have the opposite problem: the man will constantly be demanding sex from you whilst giving you nothing of what you actually want from him in return (again, with the possible exception of bragging rights).

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You are sorely mistaken if sex isn't a motivating factor for women and it's just as important if not moreso than social status.


*cough* BS *cough*

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But also you need to keep in mind that acquisition of social status is as desirable and important to men as it is to women. Being the boyfriend of a hawt chick and having her as your arm candy is a way to get positive attention from people. It's a lot like new money people flaunting their wealth to show everyone that they made it.


The part in bold I can tell you for a fact is not true. As for the second part, consider this: I spent most of my late years in high school as the designated Nice GuyTM unpaid therapist for most of the girls in my class, and I can tell you that in all of our conversations NOT ONCE did any of them even mention sex, nor gave any indication that it was in any way important to them. :roll:





Dude, you are either trying to troll me or just a sad, butthurt lil sap.

This is complete, utter, 100% bona fide Grade A BULLSH1T

Actually, I did the hypergamy thing last year. She was a drama queen with borderline personality disorder AND she was knocked up with her previous boyfriends kid! Now I do know from medical biology as well as what I've been told by women that the hormone cascades during pregnancy amplify a woman's libido and often make pregnant women as frisky as teenage boys.

I love it how you extrapolate about women based on the few girls you talked to in high school who never mentioned sex. I've heard Puh-Len-Ty of talk from women about sex in college and on internet forums(like the OKcupid forums). Furthermore, don't substitute your own limited life experience for knowledge! Read up on how bipolar and borderline personality disorder and in particular google "bipolar nymphomania" where there are links to articles written by actual medical experts who know what they're talking about(unlike you). So you need to get rid of this dumb idea that men who engage in hypergamy won't get sex. If she's borderline/bipolar they certainly will. But the downside is that she won't be monogamous so you'll have to put up with being scorned.

Just curious, are you still a virgin or something? Because a lot of what you say about women and what they want is making it totally obvious that you really don't know that many nor talked to any(online or offline) recently.



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23 Apr 2015, 4:48 pm

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Dude, you are either trying to troll me or just a sad, butthurt lil sap.

This is complete, utter, 100% bona fide Grade A BULLSH1T


Why? Because the idea that women don't car about sex and don't have the same goals and objectives in a relationship that you do makes you FEEL bad?

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Actually, I did the hypergamy thing last year. She was a drama queen with borderline personality disorder AND she was knocked up with her previous boyfriends kid! Now I do know from medical biology as well as what I've been told by women that the hormone cascades during pregnancy amplify a woman's libido and often make pregnant women as frisky as teenage boys.


3 words: citation f*****g needed.

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I love it how you extrapolate about women based on the few girls you talked to in high school who never mentioned sex. I've heard Puh-Len-Ty of talk from women about sex in college and on internet forums(like the OKcupid forums). Furthermore, don't substitute your own limited life experience for knowledge! Read up on how bipolar and borderline personality disorder and in particular google "bipolar nymphomania" where there are links to articles written by actual medical experts who know what they're talking about(unlike you). So you need to get rid of this dumb idea that men who engage in hypergamy won't get sex. If she's borderline/bipolar they certainly will. But the downside is that she won't be monogamous so you'll have to put up with being scorned.

Just curious, are you still a virgin or something? Because a lot of what you say about women and what they want is making it totally obvious that you really don't know that many nor talked to any(online or offline) recently.


No, I'm not a virgin. But why are you asking? If I was, would it make it easier for you to dismiss the obvious yet incovenient facts I pointed out? :roll:



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23 Apr 2015, 5:19 pm

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This means that if you're a man dating a woman who's out of your league, then she'll always give you the least amount of sex she can get away with.


That's perfect. So you mean asexual Aspies should date girls outside of their leage? Interesting proposal.



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23 Apr 2015, 5:23 pm

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Gauldoth wrote:
This means that if you're a man dating a woman who's out of your league, then she'll always give you the least amount of sex she can get away with.


That's perfect. So you mean asexual Aspies should date girls outside of their leage? Interesting proposal.



If you're asexual, then you just won't have sex, period. It's a win-win situation for both parties in that case. :D



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23 Apr 2015, 7:37 pm

Gauldoth wrote:
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Dude, you are either trying to troll me or just a sad, butthurt lil sap.

This is complete, utter, 100% bona fide Grade A BULLSH1T


Why? Because the idea that women don't car about sex and don't have the same goals and objectives in a relationship that you do makes you FEEL bad?

Lazar_Kaganovich wrote:
Actually, I did the hypergamy thing last year. She was a drama queen with borderline personality disorder AND she was knocked up with her previous boyfriends kid! Now I do know from medical biology as well as what I've been told by women that the hormone cascades during pregnancy amplify a woman's libido and often make pregnant women as frisky as teenage boys.


3 words: citation f*****g needed.

Lazar_Kaganovich wrote:
I love it how you extrapolate about women based on the few girls you talked to in high school who never mentioned sex. I've heard Puh-Len-Ty of talk from women about sex in college and on internet forums(like the OKcupid forums). Furthermore, don't substitute your own limited life experience for knowledge! Read up on how bipolar and borderline personality disorder and in particular google "bipolar nymphomania" where there are links to articles written by actual medical experts who know what they're talking about(unlike you). So you need to get rid of this dumb idea that men who engage in hypergamy won't get sex. If she's borderline/bipolar they certainly will. But the downside is that she won't be monogamous so you'll have to put up with being scorned.

Just curious, are you still a virgin or something? Because a lot of what you say about women and what they want is making it totally obvious that you really don't know that many nor talked to any(online or offline) recently.


No, I'm not a virgin. But why are you asking? If I was, would it make it easier for you to dismiss the obvious yet incovenient facts I pointed out? :roll:





These "facts" you pointed out are things I've tested IRL and the results are inconsistent with your claims. And no, I don't need to prove sh*t to you. You're making inductive generalizations about a very, very large group of people and all it takes is 1 counterexample to invalidate the universal quantifier. Even if you're not a virgin(you certainly talk like one!), the fact that the women you slept with didn't care that much about sex does not imply that all, or even most(> 50%) are like that. You have failed to convince me of your claims that women don't want sex that much.

As for my claims about pregnancy and increased sex drive, have a look here.



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23 Apr 2015, 8:34 pm

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Gauldoth wrote:
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Dude, you are either trying to troll me or just a sad, butthurt lil sap.

This is complete, utter, 100% bona fide Grade A BULLSH1T


Why? Because the idea that women don't car about sex and don't have the same goals and objectives in a relationship that you do makes you FEEL bad?

Lazar_Kaganovich wrote:
Actually, I did the hypergamy thing last year. She was a drama queen with borderline personality disorder AND she was knocked up with her previous boyfriends kid! Now I do know from medical biology as well as what I've been told by women that the hormone cascades during pregnancy amplify a woman's libido and often make pregnant women as frisky as teenage boys.


3 words: citation f*****g needed.

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I love it how you extrapolate about women based on the few girls you talked to in high school who never mentioned sex. I've heard Puh-Len-Ty of talk from women about sex in college and on internet forums(like the OKcupid forums). Furthermore, don't substitute your own limited life experience for knowledge! Read up on how bipolar and borderline personality disorder and in particular google "bipolar nymphomania" where there are links to articles written by actual medical experts who know what they're talking about(unlike you). So you need to get rid of this dumb idea that men who engage in hypergamy won't get sex. If she's borderline/bipolar they certainly will. But the downside is that she won't be monogamous so you'll have to put up with being scorned.

Just curious, are you still a virgin or something? Because a lot of what you say about women and what they want is making it totally obvious that you really don't know that many nor talked to any(online or offline) recently.


No, I'm not a virgin. But why are you asking? If I was, would it make it easier for you to dismiss the obvious yet incovenient facts I pointed out? :roll:





These "facts" you pointed out are things I've tested IRL and the results are inconsistent with your claims. And no, I don't need to prove sh*t to you. You're making inductive generalizations about a very, very large group of people and all it takes is 1 counterexample to invalidate the universal quantifier. Even if you're not a virgin(you certainly talk like one!), the fact that the women you slept with didn't care that much about sex does not imply that all, or even most(> 50%) are like that. You have failed to convince me of your claims that women don't want sex that much.

As for my claims about pregnancy and increased sex drive, have a look here.


Ah, yes, the "you're generalizing!" argument... the last line of defense of the truly desperate. :roll:

Also is that the best proof of your claim you can come up with?



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23 Apr 2015, 8:51 pm

Gauldoth wrote:
Lazar_Kaganovich wrote:
Gauldoth wrote:
Lazar_Kaganovich wrote:
Dude, you are either trying to troll me or just a sad, butthurt lil sap.

This is complete, utter, 100% bona fide Grade A BULLSH1T


Why? Because the idea that women don't car about sex and don't have the same goals and objectives in a relationship that you do makes you FEEL bad?

Lazar_Kaganovich wrote:
Actually, I did the hypergamy thing last year. She was a drama queen with borderline personality disorder AND she was knocked up with her previous boyfriends kid! Now I do know from medical biology as well as what I've been told by women that the hormone cascades during pregnancy amplify a woman's libido and often make pregnant women as frisky as teenage boys.


3 words: citation f*****g needed.

Lazar_Kaganovich wrote:
I love it how you extrapolate about women based on the few girls you talked to in high school who never mentioned sex. I've heard Puh-Len-Ty of talk from women about sex in college and on internet forums(like the OKcupid forums). Furthermore, don't substitute your own limited life experience for knowledge! Read up on how bipolar and borderline personality disorder and in particular google "bipolar nymphomania" where there are links to articles written by actual medical experts who know what they're talking about(unlike you). So you need to get rid of this dumb idea that men who engage in hypergamy won't get sex. If she's borderline/bipolar they certainly will. But the downside is that she won't be monogamous so you'll have to put up with being scorned.

Just curious, are you still a virgin or something? Because a lot of what you say about women and what they want is making it totally obvious that you really don't know that many nor talked to any(online or offline) recently.


No, I'm not a virgin. But why are you asking? If I was, would it make it easier for you to dismiss the obvious yet incovenient facts I pointed out? :roll:





These "facts" you pointed out are things I've tested IRL and the results are inconsistent with your claims. And no, I don't need to prove sh*t to you. You're making inductive generalizations about a very, very large group of people and all it takes is 1 counterexample to invalidate the universal quantifier. Even if you're not a virgin(you certainly talk like one!), the fact that the women you slept with didn't care that much about sex does not imply that all, or even most(> 50%) are like that. You have failed to convince me of your claims that women don't want sex that much.

As for my claims about pregnancy and increased sex drive, have a look here.


Ah, yes, the "you're generalizing!" argument... the last line of defense of the truly desperate. :roll:

Also is that the best proof of your claim you can come up with?


:lmao:


Well actually, if you use the universal quantifier for a statement about women that that implies ALL which means 100%. MOST implies > 50% and < 100%. You omitted the "most" quantifier and are using universal quantifiers. But the point is that when your generalized claims using universal quantifiers are contradicted with counterexamples you use the same old circular "i call bullshiit" attempt at a rebuttal and then when others call you out on your tired old whiny butthurt lines you pull a "no u" on them.

Now it's YOUR TURN to give some citations for your claims about 100% of women not wanting sex as much as men!



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23 Apr 2015, 8:55 pm

Lazar_Kaganovich wrote:
Gauldoth wrote:
Lazar_Kaganovich wrote:
Gauldoth wrote:
Lazar_Kaganovich wrote:
Dude, you are either trying to troll me or just a sad, butthurt lil sap.

This is complete, utter, 100% bona fide Grade A BULLSH1T


Why? Because the idea that women don't car about sex and don't have the same goals and objectives in a relationship that you do makes you FEEL bad?

Lazar_Kaganovich wrote:
Actually, I did the hypergamy thing last year. She was a drama queen with borderline personality disorder AND she was knocked up with her previous boyfriends kid! Now I do know from medical biology as well as what I've been told by women that the hormone cascades during pregnancy amplify a woman's libido and often make pregnant women as frisky as teenage boys.


3 words: citation f*****g needed.

Lazar_Kaganovich wrote:
I love it how you extrapolate about women based on the few girls you talked to in high school who never mentioned sex. I've heard Puh-Len-Ty of talk from women about sex in college and on internet forums(like the OKcupid forums). Furthermore, don't substitute your own limited life experience for knowledge! Read up on how bipolar and borderline personality disorder and in particular google "bipolar nymphomania" where there are links to articles written by actual medical experts who know what they're talking about(unlike you). So you need to get rid of this dumb idea that men who engage in hypergamy won't get sex. If she's borderline/bipolar they certainly will. But the downside is that she won't be monogamous so you'll have to put up with being scorned.

Just curious, are you still a virgin or something? Because a lot of what you say about women and what they want is making it totally obvious that you really don't know that many nor talked to any(online or offline) recently.


No, I'm not a virgin. But why are you asking? If I was, would it make it easier for you to dismiss the obvious yet incovenient facts I pointed out? :roll:





These "facts" you pointed out are things I've tested IRL and the results are inconsistent with your claims. And no, I don't need to prove sh*t to you. You're making inductive generalizations about a very, very large group of people and all it takes is 1 counterexample to invalidate the universal quantifier. Even if you're not a virgin(you certainly talk like one!), the fact that the women you slept with didn't care that much about sex does not imply that all, or even most(> 50%) are like that. You have failed to convince me of your claims that women don't want sex that much.

As for my claims about pregnancy and increased sex drive, have a look here.


Ah, yes, the "you're generalizing!" argument... the last line of defense of the truly desperate. :roll:

Also is that the best proof of your claim you can come up with?


:lmao:


Well actually, if you use the universal quantifier for a statement about women that that implies ALL which means 100%. MOST implies > 50% and < 100%. You omitted the "most" quantifier and are using universal quantifiers. But the point is that when your generalized claims using universal quantifiers are contradicted with counterexamples you use the same old circular "i call bullshiit" attempt at a rebuttal and then when others call you out on your tired old whiny butthurt lines you pull a "no u" on them.

Now it's YOUR TURN to give some citations for your claims about 100% of women not wanting sex as much as men!


An obvious red-herring if ever there was one. I never claimed what I said was true of 100% of all women everywhere. Yes, some select few women enjoy sex as much as the average men does, the majority of them (well over 50%) do not. And you know very well that's what I meant, you're just desperate because you're stuck between a rock and a hard place and can't find a way out. :roll:



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23 Apr 2015, 8:58 pm

I hate the fact that girls only like guys who stick to "masculinity", it makes me wanna kill myself...



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23 Apr 2015, 9:21 pm

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Yes, some select few women enjoy sex as much as the average men does, the majority of them (well over 50%) do not.


Evidence, please?

Show me some stats on this. And what cracks me up is that if you were a lil' more resourceful, you'd find the places online where women who enjoy sex tend to show up. Search on okcupid for women in any major US city between the ages of 20 and 30 and filter those who have "looking for: casual sex" on their profiles. There are entire websites devoted to hookups and one that I've used successfully is sexsearch.com. But don't take my word for it! Go look your damn self.



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23 Apr 2015, 9:58 pm

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Yes, some select few women enjoy sex as much as the average men does, the majority of them (well over 50%) do not.


Evidence, please?

Show me some stats on this. And what cracks me up is that if you were a lil' more resourceful, you'd find the places online where women who enjoy sex tend to show up. Search on okcupid for women in any major US city between the ages of 20 and 30 and filter those who have "looking for: casual sex" on their profiles. There are entire websites devoted to hookups and one that I've used successfully is sexsearch.com. But don't take my word for it! Go look your damn self.


Will this do?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cu ... -sex-drive

It's certainly better than anything you've presented thus far. Also, I've been to every hook-up site imaginable; most women are just there to get their egos stroked and won't even bother responding to messages, the few who do are those desperate enough to be there looking for relationships.



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I hate the fact that girls only like guys who stick to "masculinity", it makes me wanna kill myself...

If it makes you feel any better, I'm about as far from masculine as it gets, and I've met plenty of women who wanted to sleep with me. I rarely sleep with cis women (usually when I do, they're lesbians, and I feel like a lesbian myself when I do that), but it certainly isn't difficult as a non-masculine non-binary person who's usually read as a guy to find girls who want to.

If you're actually 14, then it might have more to do with that.



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I hate the fact that girls only like guys who stick to "masculinity", it makes me wanna kill myself...

If it makes you feel any better, I'm about as far from masculine as it gets, and I've met plenty of women who wanted to sleep with me. I rarely sleep with cis women (usually when I do, they're lesbians, and I feel like a lesbian myself when I do that), but it certainly isn't difficult as a non-masculine non-binary person who's usually read as a guy to find girls who want to.


Most of us guys (the heterosexuals are the majority) are only attracted to cis non-lesbian women.

And Poutine is right, most of them (the cis straight women) like men as "men" - I guess even you are aware of this.
When a guy does anything that is remotely perceived as feminine, the women are the first to negatively comment about it.

For example, I've once entered by mistake a gym class thinking it was something else due to schedule change - it turned out to be belly dancing, once I went there they ALL stared at me and were like jokingly "what are you doing here?" - there's no rule that it's for females only but since belly dancing is perceived as the optimum of femininity then they feel it's wrong for me to be there.
Btw their previous teacher was male, but they told me they perceived him as a woman lol, he was quickly labelled as effeminate gay regardless whether this was true or not.


You don't represent the majority of guys nor you are in their shoes.



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Lazar_Kaganovich wrote:
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Yes, some select few women enjoy sex as much as the average men does, the majority of them (well over 50%) do not.


Evidence, please?

Show me some stats on this. And what cracks me up is that if you were a lil' more resourceful, you'd find the places online where women who enjoy sex tend to show up. Search on okcupid for women in any major US city between the ages of 20 and 30 and filter those who have "looking for: casual sex" on their profiles. There are entire websites devoted to hookups and one that I've used successfully is sexsearch.com. But don't take my word for it! Go look your damn self.


Gauldoth is right for neurodiverse women. More than half of neurodiverse women will not select "no" for being asexual. That probably means that more than half of neurodiverse women do not enjoy sex a lot. For neurotypical women it's not true. Far from it. I have an article on peer-review about this.



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It's certainly better than anything you've presented thus far. Also, I've been to every hook-up site imaginable; most women are just there to get their egos stroked and won't even bother responding to messages, the few who do are those desperate enough to be there looking for relationships.


I think you are right about that. I think many women say they enjoy sex because they are expected to (by men). It would be a competitive disadvantage for a woman to claim she doesn't like sex. For men it is probably mostly the reverse. At least asexual men potentially have a lot more asexual women to select among.