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14 Jan 2017, 9:20 pm

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I get what you mean about the not initoasting at all thing.

But you have to understand about the approaching men for hundreds of years we have been told approaching men is unladylike and whorish. In the olden days approaching a man was seen as 'loose'.

There is still a bit of a stigma around it. I know in secondary if I ever approached boy to ask him out I wad bullied and teased for being too upfront and desperate. Also have you seen how NT men react, they are almost insulted because you are too forward.
Those are all common excuses that you ladies repeat over and over again because you don't want to deal with rejections. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

I am not convinced.

But in my experience, the women who initiate are always the ones who turn out to be interested, and the ones who never initiate, including the ones who reply enthusiastically, always turn out not interested.

I trust my experience more.
It isn't an excuse, it is something that is conditioned into women by our society, our parents I've seen it for myself and I understand why they do, you can't put the blame on individual women like that yes some do take that chance but most women don't because of what they can be seen as and often at times are ridiculed for it.

Take a step back, read what has been said here and try to see it from other peoples perspective.
Au contraire!

It has always been the women who did the initiating. It's always a look, a glance or some body language that indicates to the guy that she wants him to ask her out.

It's seen as taboo for a guy to ask a girl out without the girl first signalling in this way. If a guy asks a girl out without the girl signalling, he's seen a creep.

This has been drilled into guys since time immemorial.

I'd like to see a cultural shift that allows men to be the initiators without being looked down on.


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14 Jan 2017, 9:34 pm

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Dude, that was exhausting. Did you ever think that women don't initiate because you're too argumentative and like to split hairs?.


No, they do initiate at times: when they are interested.

If not, they never initiate.

Anyway that was a low blow.

Get out of my thread please.


I see. Carry on with your experiment you perfect specimen of the male species. Last piece of advice "Get out of my thread please" when you hear what you don't want to, can turn any internet veteran into a troll. I was seriously trying to be nice. I am on the spectrum after all. I tell it like I see it.



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14 Jan 2017, 9:37 pm

Bossy =/= Troll

They are two different concepts


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15 Jan 2017, 2:54 am

Onyxaxe wrote:
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Dude, that was exhausting. Did you ever think that women don't initiate because you're too argumentative and like to split hairs?.


No, they do initiate at times: when they are interested.

If not, they never initiate.

Anyway that was a low blow.

Get out of my thread please.


I see. Carry on with your experiment you perfect specimen of the male species. Last piece of advice "Get out of my thread please" when you hear what you don't want to, can turn any internet veteran into a troll. I was seriously trying to be nice. I am on the spectrum after all. I tell it like I see it.


Are you comparing all males to Boo? Please don't.



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15 Jan 2017, 3:17 am

^ That would be flattering :lol:



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15 Jan 2017, 3:26 am

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Dude, that was exhausting. Did you ever think that women don't initiate because you're too argumentative and like to split hairs?.


No, they do initiate at times: when they are interested.

If not, they never initiate.

Anyway that was a low blow.

Get out of my thread please.


I see. Carry on with your experiment you perfect specimen of the male species. Last piece of advice "Get out of my thread please" when you hear what you don't want to, can turn any internet veteran into a troll. I was seriously trying to be nice. I am on the spectrum after all. I tell it like I see it.


Well, I didn't like your tone at all in both posts. Too aggressive, you first imply I am repulsive to women, then implying to be compared with fuckboys (what's a fuckboy anyway?); and now you call me a males' specimen.

You fail miserably at sounding nice - so kindly stop it.



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15 Jan 2017, 3:43 am

Fuckboy is a term used by women to describe men they don't like.


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15 Jan 2017, 10:54 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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Dude, that was exhausting. Did you ever think that women don't initiate because you're too argumentative and like to split hairs?.


No, they do initiate at times: when they are interested.

If not, they never initiate.

Anyway that was a low blow.

Get out of my thread please.


I see. Carry on with your experiment you perfect specimen of the male species. Last piece of advice "Get out of my thread please" when you hear what you don't want to, can turn any internet veteran into a troll. I was seriously trying to be nice. I am on the spectrum after all. I tell it like I see it.


Well, I didn't like your tone at all in both posts. Too aggressive, you first imply I am repulsive to women, then implying to be compared with fuckboys (what's a fuckboy anyway?); and now you call me a males' specimen.

You fail miserably at sounding nice - so kindly stop it.


Repulsive is a really strong word to use there. Interest is a fleeting emotion. You're debating interest not dateability, right?. It's easy to become uninterested in someone even if they're not a bad person.

I am aggressive per se, I'm a 27 year old punker that's had two suicide attempts and a narcissistic mother on my back for most of my life. Add to that I started working at the age of 6 and worked until I could prove I needed disability at 22 with no real treatment for my spectrum disorders until around 23. This "aggressive" nature is the norm in the real world. Add to that I've been knocked out twice in sports, broken a few bones and bike around 100 miles a month no matter the weather. To me being nice is not coddling someone but having genuine concern for their happiness and well being. Seriously, I'm trying to be nice lol.

I didn't compare you to fuckboys I was explaining why some women have bad communication skills. Fuckboy isn't a term to explain men women don't like, it's a subculture of guys who think they're cooler than they really are. That use being a jerk as a means to psychologically control women, they get laid on the regular and brag on not using contraception etc. An exaggeration of the badboy but much more demanding and materialistic. I wouldn't be surprised if most of them grow up to be wife beaters.

Sad thing is is that girls who are raised that pleasing men is the road to happiness don't know any better and by time they get to you they're jaded and such. This theory applies to both genders though. A female version of the fuckboy would be a slut right?.

I am not a cool kid but I hang around cool kids because of skateboarding, drinking etc. I'm just adding my two cents.

Rant over



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15 Jan 2017, 11:40 am

^ Fine, fair enough.



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15 Jan 2017, 11:52 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
^ Fine, fair enough.


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15 Jan 2017, 11:55 am

Fight you two!!


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15 Jan 2017, 1:24 pm

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Fight you two!!


You enjoy cyber fights in the cyber mud.



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15 Jan 2017, 3:34 pm

The way I understood is thread is most so much a thread about women as a thread about men holding on to a non-reciprocal relationship, which is an oxymoron.

This works both ways though, it is a statement of the obvious and not gender specific. People can get fixated and in denial. However this is infatuation.

Most people are fully of capable of understanding that lack of reciprocation does not equal a relationship, but in the same token are capable of entering into denial.



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The way I understood is thread is most so much a thread about women as a thread about men holding on to a non-reciprocal relationship, which is an oxymoron.

This works both ways though, it is a statement of the obvious and not gender specific. People can get fixated and in denial. However this is infatuation.

Most people are fully of capable of understanding that lack of reciprocation does not equal a relationship, but in the same token are capable of entering into denial.


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The way I understood is thread is most so much a thread about women as a thread about men holding on to a non-reciprocal relationship, which is an oxymoron.

This works both ways though, it is a statement of the obvious and not gender specific. People can get fixated and in denial. However this is infatuation.

Most people are fully of capable of understanding that lack of reciprocation does not equal a relationship, but in the same token are capable of entering into denial.


I disagree.

I strongly think that is way more likely to happen to guys; hence why it's more of a men-problem (not exclusively).

Why?

Because like most women are admitting here, guys are socially expected to initiate more often, right? They said it themselves.

Therefore, since are guys are socially conditioned in that way and more expected from them to initiate communications/stuff, then they are way more likely to fail to see the non-reciprocation. Many guys don't take the never-initiation from women as a sign of non-interest; and so the guy keeps initiating and initiating and initiating.... like a miserable lapdog...for a a long time with no romance results.

This is a very common men problem we see in boards all the time. It is probably one of the most common romance problems for men and it's way costly emotionally and time wise.

For women, generally, don't have this particular problem : their problem instead is more likely about waiting, waiting is the hard part for them but if she really likes the guy, she will send a test thing - but if he never initiates even after that then eventually they assume that he's not interested. End of Story. Simple. Men need to learn to see it that way, that the never-initiating = no interest.



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15 Jan 2017, 5:02 pm

Some men responses on this matter over the internet, I was surprised that so many other men think like on this (but not the majority, which is sad for the men):

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Thread: I am talking to this girl. She is in my office campus. We used to see each other around the campus. She sent me a friend request and we started talking from there on.

It has been two weeks and we have met about 3-4 times and regularly text. But she never initiates meetings. I have to contact her always but she always readily agrees. She is a bit awkward in person but is quite open when texting.

Usually I have to initiate the conversation, always have to ask questions. She just freakin responds. Rarely asks questions. Only initial text messages contain good morning. After my response there is a nothing.

I feel like this is going nowhere. Any advice?



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You just haven't left a good enough impression. Trust in, if you did, she would be blowing you up, especially if she is a texter.

The chit about just responding during convo, welcome to majority of women, no fukin personality. Makes you a good communicator though! Perceive it as practice but know that these relationships end up boring as the only time you talk is when you say something.

Don't contact her as often (every 2-3 days), look for a way to make fun of her lack of initiating, hint there are other women in the picture without saying it, ensure she has a good time in your presence and it should improve things for you.


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You've gotta give her time to initiate. If she never initiates, that should be a red flag. Stop texting first, stop doing anything first. When she initiates or makes first moves, be sure to encourage her for that.



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Lack of communication/terrible communication = red flag and you shouldn't even attempt a relationship with said person.

Go NC right now.



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If a women truly likes you, she will initiate with you no matter what, whether it'd be a convo or meeting up, no matter if she's doing her hair, doing the dishes, cooking, cleaning, etc...if she really likes you she'll always talk to you, doesn't matter who texts who first.

You sound too clingy, needy and have too much free time. She senses this.


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So guys there has been an update. After reducing contact for a day or two. We just had a casual 5-10 min text conversation. I kept it short. When I met her, we had some flirty conversation and towards the end of the conversation I maintained eye contact for second or two with saying nothing. I could see her blushing which looked to me a positive sign the way she smiled.

She sent me a teasing message about valentine's day the same night. Her conversation seemed like she wanted me to ask her out. So i did. We are deciding on the day as I am out of town on valentine's day. Sucks, I know.


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Just to update the new posters. BTW the situation has changed a lot now. I see her initiating almost all the conversations and it's the other way around. Thanks guys.

Edit: I guess she just needed some time to come out of her comfort zone.



From another website:

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I personally hate that type of behavior. As a man, I also like to feel as though I am wanted, but it the woman seemingly never initiates contact, it makes her seem as though she isn't that into me

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Agreed. For many of us, those who are interested in us become more interesting to us. Male desire to be wanted is not to be underestimated.


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I would start the convo 2-3 times in the beginning and if she does not start the convo the 3-4 th times then I would leave her and I would go and find another one...SIMPLE...

I know a girl can be shy and she might not start a convo the first couple of times , so I may start it the first couple of times but then I expect her to start a convo else I would feel like a Jerk...

That' s ME..



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Generally, Yes! If she's playing games or not putting in equal effort, it's because she's not that into you. If she's giving you 20% she thinks she can do better. When a girl is really interested she will through herself in front of you and trip over babies to do it. =P



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Means she could care less if she talks to you or not or probably likes someone else better who she is talking to. That looking desperate is bullsh*t, if she liked you she would initiate at least sometimes. Take it for what it is.



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Question: She never initiates our conversations. Should I stop talking to her?

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I am cynical and say yes.

Look, no friendship or relationship can work if one person makes the effort and the other person doesn't. There was a girl like this at university. I would always stop and talk to her. Then I was having a bad week and she never came up and talked to me. After that I only ever said hello when I saw her and never stopped to talk.

She even asked her friends why I wasn't talking to her. She could never work out that all had to for a conversation is to stop and talk to me. I was always friendly to her and she could have talked to me at any time. But she didn't.

Now imagine if we were closer friends or something more?


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first, lt her know what you are feeling about and give her some time to change. if this continues , then you can stop talking to her. but, don't trouble your mind thinking all this.



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Make yourself less available to her. If still things remains unchanged stop talking to her and don't give her a reason.


From another website:
Thread: (Guy ranting about girl who replies long text but NEVER initiates...)

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dont text her for a week or two... if she texts you shes interested in you.


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You gotta put up with it! Resist temptation and if she is interested, she will bug you. If not... then time to move on.


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If you are beggining to date someone, you dont want to give out a ton of your info. Drag out your life story so youll seem more interesting and mysterious. From now on you only call or text her if your gonna ask her out on a date. Its gonna be rough but at least youll know weather she likes you or not and if you can move on.



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She's showing plenty of signs of interest, but won't initiate conversation

Come on now, isn't it obvious?

You're clearly misreading the situation into thinking she is interested, when in actuality it sounds as if she just enjoys flirting.

Enjoying flirting =/= enjoying you.

Now, don't read too much into my cynicism. It doesn't mean she can't become interested, but you should be wary of the possibility that she is just flirting with you because you're there....with no other ulterior motive. If a girl messages me, I usually respond back, even in a flirty manner (even if they aren't single...) just because. I don't have an interest in pursuing them, but hey, it's fun.

On the other hand, initiating conversation can be an indicator of interest, but it's not 100%. Recently my ex started messaging me a lot. She's been posting stuff on my wall almost daily, and pretty much IMs me every time I log on. This came all of a sudden after being on non-speaking terms for over half a year since our break up. I'm kind of wary because a) she broke up with me, and I fell in love with her (something I don't say lightly), so the break up was especially hard on me. Took me about half a year to get over her, and b) she currently has a boyfriend.

But wait, she initiates conversation with me 9 out of 10 times. Doesn't that mean she is interested? Not exactly.


My advice TC? Just ask her out on a date. Regardless of how she responds, it'll remove the doubt you're obsessing about. But before you do I'd wait and not talk to her for a few days. Not to see if she tries to initiate or anything, but just so you don't seem too eager.


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Rejoice! She messaged me after I held out for 5 days!

She just said "CHRIS!" and isn't doing too much to fuel the conversation, but she initiated it. So we're just BS talking now.

Now I'm struggling to come up with a segue from smalltalk to a date... that sounds dumb, but the context of this conversation is hard to work with. Any ideas?




I told ThisAdamGuy to hold it and it worked for him; but it's him who ended the relationship later.

Hold it for a while, if she never initiates, and see if she does! Always do it.