This lady has some serious issues with Aspies
Also can I just add no one said to reveal it on the first or second date. Its ok for them to get to know you first just it seems wrong to hide an official diagnosis for years
You lads are jumping down our throats like we expect you to walk up to girls and say "hi there I'm autistic"
I'm not saying hide it away, I think some things become pretty evident on their own and it's not information that needs to be volunteered. Perhaps perceptions of autism are better in the UK than they are in the US, out here I feel like the popular perception is more along the lines of the lowest functioning and Rainman stereotypes so in light of this ignorance I don't feel it necessary to volunteer the information unless there is some pressing need to. It's words and a label, what importance that label may have is different for everyone and if a good reason came about to speak in specifics then that's a bridge you can cross when it comes but that's the same with everybody.
I don't even have the words for this. I'm not looking for love, but if that's what it's like with an NT I don't want it. Heartless Asperger's indeed.
Oh goody. That's the same woman who made this blog post that I posted about last year:
http://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=300359
Quite the bigot that is. Issues with aspies heh? You could say that again!
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Disclosing it doesn't change bullies' attitude nor will make a girl who thinks of me that negatively to fall for me, so I see zero reason to do so.
In fact, I didn't take till age 3.5 - school thought I was mentally ret*d and wanted to send to special needs school (yes we start school at 3) but I have passed the toys-puzzles test without the verbal part so I continued in the regular class.
I wouldn't tell her right away. However, if she wants to support you then it could help in the long run if she knows.
She's wrong and she's just making up this narrative due to some perceived slight against her. Don't take anything she says to hurt, because she's the abusive one. What more is there to say?
It's also funny how these stupid things never talk about the effect aspie girls have on relationships. Yes, they do have an effect.
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Observation: issue on whether to tell seems to be decided by the sexs, women here saying to do it, and majority of men saying don't. Perhaps this has to do with how poeople react to a woman with aspergers vs how they react to men with aspergers.
Like others have said there are tons and tons of book and articles about aspie men and how they're bad and some few about how their good. I've never seen any about aspie women? Is it cause aspie women at least from a far would seem to match up more with what society thinks women should be like, while aspie men fly in the face of what society thinks men should be like?
Note: I'm not making assumptions I'm just obersving and asking questions out of real curiousity .
As for my self I'm on ssi/ssdi as well as work part time. Ssi had a really bad negative view from most people . Should I not hide it and only talk about my part time job? At least at first? I don't feel any woman will give me a chance if they know I'm on disability.
See the long term(if it happens) it'd be impossible for me not to disclose my aspergers and adhd. Cause clearly eventually they'll know I'm on ssi and want to know why.
I'm limited clearly to independent like myself as no republican would have anything to do with a "thief stealing their mi way by faking disability from and screwing over seniors as well as from them" (how they see it) is there another independent like me who's female i dont know. Which is partly why I'm afraid to disclose my disability cause it'll just limit my already serverly small pool of possible matches.
Like others have said there are tons and tons of book and articles about aspie men and how they're bad and some few about how their good. I've never seen any about aspie women? Is it cause aspie women at least from a far would seem to match up more with what society thinks women should be like, while aspie men fly in the face of what society thinks men should be like?
Note: I'm not making assumptions I'm just obersving and asking questions out of real curiousity .
It's mostly likely because it's so uncommon in females so books and stuff take time to focus on male aspies.
There is some interesting literature on the difficulties of female aspies as they face different issues. Most notably they are more socially isolated than male aspies
One of the most common responses I get is 'isn't that what boys have'
Outrider said:
It's only family I truly don't put any effort into to 'act normal' with because they aren't worth the effort because they already care for me unconditionally."
Is this not the crux of the article though? People acting until it's too late? That once you get comfortable with someone, they aren't worth the effort? I would have thought the opposite should be the case. This could be said about NT's too; I was married to a man who was wonderful until 2 months in to our marriage when he showed his true colours and became abusive. There was no hint of that side of him while we were dating.
I don't agree with the male 'aspie bashing' viewpoint she puts forward though as this would be akin to me writing about my experience with my ex husband and hence conclude that all men must be abusive.
We all put on our best front when we meet someone new but imo, to give any relationship the best chance, honesty really is the best policy for both parties.
And what if the woman liked the you you were always around your friends and her and then you just dropped all that after getting into a relationship together or moving in together and then she didn't like the "new" you because she liked the "other" you when you first met?
BTW do you find it exhausting to be normal?
Yes, but I ENJOY it. I like the challenge.
It's so hard to describe but I am trying to tell you I am still being myself, just super-me.
It's just once I relax, super-me becomes regular me.
I don't see why it's an act. I'm not pretending to be anything other than what I truly am.
And what am I? I am an ambitious and hardworking person with a very ambitious personality who strives to be the best person he can be and have the most control over his own life, yet at the same time approach it with a carefree and relaxed attitude.
Being myself means being a little better than what I actually am, which unfortunately must be 'deception' when I AM being myself.
It's funny how people say 'be yourself' when I bet there's a least one 'weirdo' in this world and 'being themselves' means being a method actor who likes to pretend to be all sorts of different personalities all the time.
This isn't me but just an example of what I mean. That poor sucker is screwed.
How guys like Johnny Depp ever get wives is a mystery.
Look, watch parts of these two videos of the same guy, he's quite similar to me in mannerisms and voice and behavior and watching both of these videos I relate to how he behaves in both of them, except he exaggerates a little in the second one. Forget about the content or the awkward things he says, I'm not that awkward, but just analyse how he stands, how he speaks, body language, etc.:
Should I REALLY be like how he is in the first video if it means 'being myself'? (aka relaxed at home me?)
I'm also 'being myself' if I'm being like he is in the second video (aka me at school/study/work/etc), so which one is more impressive and presentable?
Okay, now I am going to ask, would you be the guy in the first video in your relationship and only be the second guy in the video when with your friends and at work and everywhere else except for at home?
This is what I was trying to talk about. The woman might only like the you in the second video but not the other you in the first video because she would want the second guy from the video so she will feel you have changed because you kept the second persona for so long until you both moved in together or got married.
I have never met another aspie who thought they were faking when being normal and not being themselves, this is the first time meeting someone with it who still feels they are being themselves when they "act."
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It's also funny how these stupid things never talk about the effect aspie girls have on relationships. Yes, they do have an effect.
There are plenty of men on ASPartners that talk about their "aspie" female partners and one of them tried to get his wife diagnosed with it but instead waked out with an anxiety diagnoses and she was like "ha, I told you I wasn't autistic." He was not happy with the diagnoses and was still convinced she had autism and thought the reason why they missed it in her was because she is a woman and autism is different in females.
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'Being yourself' is useless advice that is not tolerated with most people, what if 'being yourself' leaves you ostracized/hated/isolated? Are you suppose to alter your behavior or are you just supposed to accept your predicament? It is probably true that women on the spectrum don't have deal with the same stereotypes and prejudices since they're not part of the common perception of autism, doesn't conjure up the same images not to mention there is just more tolerance for women that challenge the norm than men in general. Being invisible is better than being stigmatized. How many women actually have to deal with being physically bullied? How many have ever been punched in the face for 'being themselves'? Cliched nonsense.
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It's only family I truly don't put any effort into to 'act normal' with because they aren't worth the effort because they already care for me unconditionally."
Is this not the crux of the article though? People acting until it's too late? That once you get comfortable with someone, they aren't worth the effort? I would have thought the opposite should be the case. This could be said about NT's too; I was married to a man who was wonderful until 2 months in to our marriage when he showed his true colours and became abusive. There was no hint of that side of him while we were dating.
I don't agree with the male 'aspie bashing' viewpoint she puts forward though as this would be akin to me writing about my experience with my ex husband and hence conclude that all men must be abusive.
We all put on our best front when we meet someone new but imo, to give any relationship the best chance, honesty really is the best policy for both parties.
I have heard of women having that mentality about guys. They were married and got abused by their husband, they divorce, now they won't date any guys. My mom knew someone at work who became lesbian because she would never date men again because she was abused by her ex husband. Then there was someone else I knew at work who was once married to an abuser. She then divorced him and had been single ever since and never wanted to remarry or date again. I have seen people say online how they will never date another aspie because they got traumatized by their ex who had it and they talk about the bad things they did to them that was related from their disorder but it was all unintentional but it still hurt the NT person. And sometimes an aspie really is abusive and it has nothing to do with AS but the woman might associate it with autism and say all autistic men are abusers and will break your things during a "meltdown" and break other stuff and hit you and scream at you and the woman always feels she had to walk in eggshells or he will get upset and blow up at her so she had to bottle her feelings up and not tell her partner anything that is bothering her or whenever she has concerns.
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Also can I just add no one said to reveal it on the first or second date. Its ok for them to get to know you first just it seems wrong to hide an official diagnosis for years
You lads are jumping down our throats like we expect you to walk up to girls and say "hi there I'm autistic"
I'm not saying hide it away, I think some things become pretty evident on their own and it's not information that needs to be volunteered. Perhaps perceptions of autism are better in the UK than they are in the US, out here I feel like the popular perception is more along the lines of the lowest functioning and Rainman stereotypes so in light of this ignorance I don't feel it necessary to volunteer the information unless there is some pressing need to. It's words and a label, what importance that label may have is different for everyone and if a good reason came about to speak in specifics then that's a bridge you can cross when it comes but that's the same with everybody.
In my country and in the middle east generally, this is how the typical Autistic portrayed (
I know the father (the singer) means well but this video strengthen the stereotype .....I mean even most low-functioning autistics aren't that mute and looks totally depressed really.) :
And this is another song.....a Saudi music video about autism, portraying a similar image but more accurate than the above one regarding the typical classic autism and more positive overall (Autism rate is pretty high among Gulf Arabs such as Saudi Arabia and Kuwait because cousin marriage is common in their culture) :
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Yeah being myself meant hell in elementary-high school. I'm not sure how not to be myself though. I don't do much of the stuff on that ladies list though. I seem to be bit more higher functioning then some other aspies yet I'm still seen as odd. Most people just think as me as not odd and shy. The few I've told then say it all makes sense now.
I am quite ashamed of being and aspie. I have been since middle school. I want to be normal. I always hid my special olympics medals. And hated being marched through the school for special ed pe(I was massively bullied in regular pe so they moved me.) I see lots of people say they want to be wierd instead of normal. But they don't understand what it reall means to be wierd. The bullying, the verbal attacks, the constant judgmental attitude from others. I don't get close to people. So I blend in and I hear the horrible things said about people like us all the time. Certainly doesn't make me want to tell people I'm one of us.
So I don't know how to act nt, I just through limited social contact come off as a shy bit odd, clumsy nt. A sheep in wolfs clothing I guess.
Like others have said there are tons and tons of book and articles about aspie men and how they're bad and some few about how their good. I've never seen any about aspie women? Is it cause aspie women at least from a far would seem to match up more with what society thinks women should be like, while aspie men fly in the face of what society thinks men should be like?
Note: I'm not making assumptions I'm just obersving and asking questions out of real curiousity .
It's mostly likely because it's so uncommon in females so books and stuff take time to focus on male aspies.
There is some interesting literature on the difficulties of female aspies as they face different issues. Most notably they are more socially isolated than male aspies
One of the most common responses I get is 'isn't that what boys have'
Actually women are probably just underdiagnosed, and the reason women who are diagnosed have more social isolation as well as on average lower IQ is because it takes a heavier hit for it to get diagnosed in women.
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It's also funny how these stupid things never talk about the effect aspie girls have on relationships. Yes, they do have an effect.
There are plenty of men on ASPartners that talk about their "aspie" female partners and one of them tried to get his wife diagnosed with it but instead waked out with an anxiety diagnoses and she was like "ha, I told you I wasn't autistic." He was not happy with the diagnoses and was still convinced she had autism and thought the reason why they missed it in her was because she is a woman and autism is different in females.
He's probably right, women with autism very commonly get diagnosed with anxiety instead, it's only when the anxiety treatment clearly isn't enough that it's clear they are autistic, but even after that point it's hard to get a diagnosis.
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