Why do Normies always blame men for their lack of dating?

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MGTOW is a men's website called Men Going their Own Way. There's some good discussions on there about men's health and stuff, but there's the posts about how marriage is a trap and women are out to strip you of your assets and hold divorce over your head should you make any false step.

The red pill is an idea based on the move The Matrix


Why oh why do I know about this stuff?!?

It upsets me that men might look at me and think I'm out to get them. What we need is more harmony, not more division in society. We need to find a way to work together to make the world a better place, not slide off into groups and decry the other.

MRAs (Men's rights activists) and feminists remind me of the butter-side-up and butter-side-down warring factions in that Dr Seuss book.

See once again looking for the axe in the ceiling.

I'd make you sign a pre-nup pet Ain't no way you're getting half of my money.

Joking aside. What makes you think women don't ever lose their reputation after a divorce? I've seen it happen. No one believed a friend of mine who had an emotionally abusive husband and she's pretty much lost all of her friends because she left him and he seemed so nice, "why couldn't she just give it a try again".

MGTOW thinking ignores what happens most of the time and focusses on worst case scenarios... so does feminism, the feminist would say worst that could happen for the woman is that she ends up dead, not just hurt feelings, bruised and bloody and dead.

Don't get bogged down by extremists, they merely scream the loudest, and they scream the loudest because they're actually very small in number and they need to compensate. Most men don't look at women and make a gold-digger judgement on first contact.

I know, but I enjoy psychology and it interests me. I'm enjoying trying to get my head around the thinking process. It's a bit like watching a horror film. You enjoy the discomfort in a sick sort of way.

Someone is more devious than I gave them credit for.

The main problem like I told my friend is rather than draw a line from A-B of how a train travels girls cant do that with relationships typically. There is honestly no excuse for women to constantly make the same mistakes with the wrong guys generation after generation other than it felt right at the time. That's the bottom line.

Considering they're called 'pick-up artists' and not 'relationship experts' I'm leaning towards no. It might get you laid, it won't get you a SigOth, it probably won't even get you a FWB.



Unless you're mostly "calling them out" on your own projected insecurities, which seems to be far more typical of that segment of the population. As for anger, does the poster I'm responding to sound motivated for self-improvement, or consumed by anger?

Also, never seen DBZ. No interest in watching it. Needs more street racing and less whatever it's about.

It's not judgement, just biological fact. Pretending that women don't want a man entirely for his utility is asking for said axe to come down even harder. There's a reason so many post wall women complain about an entirely passive philosophy; they aren't getting taken care of and also can't make it on their own without welfare.

Maybe next you can tell us women don't have sex drives or emotional desires to be with someone.

Lol what?

I don't know what to say to this. Yes having a partner helps with paying the bills. But the majority of people, let alone women, don't settle down with someone incompatible just to save money or to have more money. Maybe on the 18th century lol..

You're ignoring all the women who team up with a room mate or those who, like me, work a full time job and live relatively comfortably on their own.

Do you live in a really impoverished area or something where a lot of folks are on welfare?

I never used 'pua tactics' to get FWBs, I don't even think they work - it's just Mumbo jumbo talk to sell some book.

PUA revolves around a very false promise: that if you are unattractive, yet if you master "PUA" you become then a women magnet.

It's false.

I've tried a totally different approach: viewing women as sexually and equally visual as men, that means yeah..improving your appearance to attract them, that what really worked for me. At least for FWB and....even for long terms, FWBs can easily grow into long term really and happen more naturally actually.

Another useful tip I would give: if one demographic doesn't find you attractive, then seek for those in a different demographic; for example a different ethnicity.

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You need to see this less from a social standpoint. What boxman is talking about is hypergamy, which is a biological fact. Women date upwards, and men date downwards. It's instinctually what women are attracted to. This is why women on dating sites, rate 80% of the men below average, while the men rates 50% of the women below average. It's not just coincidence, I could give you a thousand examples for why this is true.

Comparing MGTOW philosophy with feminism is not reasonable. All of feminism is built upon the idea of cultural programming(patriarchy), while the centerpiece in MGTOW philosophy is biology. The reason they get compared of course, is that sadly there's bound to be alot of angry pathetic men, looking for someone to blame in such a movement. Which is why I can't indentify with the label, even though I agree with some of them almost completely. But there's an equal amount of intelligent men just trying to figure stuff out.

For some men it's just too hard to stomach, just how different men and women really are. But it's not women's fault that they are so completely unreasonable(from the male perspective), since it's merely their biological instincts playing out. And it's not something women can control or understand either, because women will tell you how untrue this is, and then go out and act out the script to perfection. In the end, it's not something we will EVER be able to change, so it's a waste of one's resources to get angry or bitter.

That's because there's alot of stupid marketing in pua, to make quick buck off of the really insecure guys. But if you go beneath just memorizing pick up lines, and below the surface of it so to speak, it is definitely possible to manipulate women's biology to get laid. If you truly understand how women work, it's actually alot easier than one would think.

It was more the women 'can't take care of themselves without welfare' suggestion that I was commenting on. I find these sweeping generalisations to be bizzare not the hypergamy philosophy itself.

What you say about the differences between MGTOW and feminism is interesting.

I'm going to warn you now. Don't. Just don't. Understand something about this Hurt. You have two options at this point and I mean it. You can take this advice rationalize in your head that you do want a partner before you die, go find a man who fits this exact description. And it doesn't matter if they are the one or if you met them in the coffee shop or while going to the bathroom pick one figure out within the first week if its going to potentially work and if not drop if so stick with it and make it work.

"I'm sure you all remember the dialogue, but it's Season 3, Episode 5 (Love and/or Marriage).

At one point, BoJack is talking to Taneisha in the bathroom. She asks if he means for her to "settle".
Yes, thank you, exactly. Settle. Because otherwise you're just gonna get older and harder, and more alone. And you're gonna do everything you can to fill that hole, with friends, and your career, and meaningless sex, but the hole doesn't get filled. And one day, you're gonna look around and you're gonna realize that everybody loves you...but nobody likes you. And that is the loneliest feeling in the world."

OR you can disregard this advice and get into this stupid biology redpill s**t that is pandora's box and will destroy you. You will realize that the world has lied to you, that your own mind has BS you for years, and come to understand just how pathetic and robotic almost every single woman who doesn't get married at a semi young age really is. And I mean that with a serious tone because this s**t is real. And it's mind shattering to a lot of guys(hence the anger) and even some women who read it. But if you want the truth like I said its just E mostly. Women feel things on a stronger level than men and society caters to it at a young age, it's always validated as true and because of that men who can manipulate those feelings to keep women on emotional highs are desired even tho its acutally emotional manipultion but ok rant over.

Just take my advice or don't and go google the best of the rational male year one and start with the hypergamy section while ur at it. But it will break your mind just a forewarning.

I think this is why PUA lost ground in early 2010's, and was superseded by the Red Pill. (Or MGTOW, for men who lost interest in women, once they learned the truth.) PUA is about using scripted statements and actions (a.k.a. "game"). The Red Pill is about understanding the dark nature of women---as well as men, like the alpha/beta divide---and leveraging it in your favor. It also teaches men about society: that in today's world, being a woman is like playing the game of life on god mode. You can even use the Red Pill to lose a woman you're not attracted to: by acting beta with her (which is actually more honest than stringing her along).

Old PUA forums are still around, but they're shadows of their former selves, and are only good as static reference material. Most of their members migrated over to Red Pill or MGTOW. The latter two forums are free and peer-to-peer, rather than being operated by a specific PUA writer.