Why are women so triggered by the friendzone?

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I'm sure you have some statistics to support this notion.





https://www.rainn.org/statistics/crimin ... ice-system

You're right though, the criminal justice system is a joke when it comes to getting justice in these cases. One would be perfectly justified in castrating these animals or just killing them outright.

Not sure about what? I said "female estrogen levels overlap with male estrogen levels during part of her cycle. In fact, female estrogen levels only get significantly higher than that of a male's for just a few days around the time of ovulation. "

The table is not inconsistent with that. Males are 15-60. In the follicular phase a woman can be as low as 30 at the start of the phase and has high as double higher end of the male range at the end of the phase as she nears ovulation. It's just a brief, few day peak that the levels jump, and then fall, by the end of the luteal phase to within 10pg/mL of the upper end of the male range. I should say that the male range is across a sample of men, and demarcated by however many deviations from the norm...in the typical way, because men don't have estrogen cycles, and the female ranges are the average of a sample of women across the temporal length of the phase...the low and and high end represent the average at the beginning and end of the phase, because women do have cycles. If a woman were having her estrogen levels checked, it's typically done on specific days of her cycle. For example, to determine if she has low estrogen, it's usually done on day 3, and if it's to determine if she has high estrogen, it's done on the day of ovulation.

Here is an image which gives a better idea of female estradiol fluctuations.



You can see that there is a lot of intersection between female and male levels. Testosterone levels (not depicted), on the other hand, have relatively little intersection, and where the intersection occurs, these are unhealthy males and females...typically women with PCOS and men with hypogonadism.

Mood changes related to estrogen are from falling levels, and ratios, not absolute levels. There is some complex reason for this, but I wasn't paying attention at the time.

I also don't know why testosterone differences between men and women have to be so much greater than estrogen differences. I'm not sure unit per unit, testosterone is just not as potent as estrogen, but I think it might come down to the fact that estrogen is something everyone needs, and testosterone is something special. Both estrogen and testosterone support bone health and can increase blood thickness though there are some shared purposes between them. A person needs one or the other to prevent osteoporosis.

Should go without saying that the lack of the levels of testosterone in females also has an effect.

So I asked someone and they said they are not the same levels of estrogen either. I decided to Google this and found this first link.

http://www.hemingways.org/GIDinfo/hrt_ref.htm

Acording to this the levels of e between man and female are only similar after menopause. Are you sure your chart is correct and not focusing on post menopausal women?

If a guy resents the fact that I'm not sleeping with him even though we're "such good friends", is he even really my friend?

When a guy says "friend zone", all I'm hearing is that being my friend is a terrible fate I've sentenced him to. It's like some guys think being my friend is a job, and if they work hard enough, they'll be promoted to boyfriend. So.... How so you expect us ladies to feel about that?

If I wasn't attracted to a girl but she wanted to be with me and did a lot of things for me and expected me to be her boyfriend in return, I would likely be very flattered and grateful for all she does for me. But politely rejct her and say we can't be friends because I know it would hurt her

I seriously doubt when I was a 'nice guy' and did nice things for female friends I was attracted to that they were even the slightest bit 'flattered' or 'grateful'.

A few women responding here have said already they think men secretly attracted to their female friends are 'liars' and 'manipulative'.

I certainly wouldn't think a female friend attracted to me secretly was a manipulative liar

That's not true. I read 40,50,50,70 old women's ads too. They see s guy who doesn't own a house and have a good job as just going to be mooching off them. It won't get better for me when I'm a senior nor will I want a relationship at that point and god willing I'll be dead before then unless I somehow got s gf/wife.
My future is super depressing and down hill. Reality is the women who'd been more likely to accept my income are/were 18/19/20 olds. But that ship has sailed long ago I'm 29 soon to be 30 :'(

Society as a whole transitioned into how to help women succeed over men. How can we make women's lives better. Men are left to make due. The way we educate kids was changed to geared towards females, to make up for the years of gearing towards men, but that's not equality, like those who suggest whites be taken as slaves to make up for black slavery, that just create a viscous cycle. Likewise with how society treats men and women now, men are becoming resentful, perhaps in 40 years it'll shift back towards men, I'd rather we find a way to balance it between both males and females.

How'd it be positive for me? That generation is like 10 , so at 18, I'll be 38 so basically 40 not that I'd want to but some 18 old girl won't date me at 30 they won't date a worthless 40'old loser. Maybe it'll be better for some men from that generation but me and men from mine are screwed.

But is so closed minded, they could just buy less stuff, live in a modest place, not tske so many vacations. Why should a guy be expected to pay for half or more of stuff he does t want. What's wrong with a ok apartment ? And that doesn't explain min wage women or unemployed women demanding said guy,Newhouse then makes 3 times or more then her.

Either way it's why I just need to die. There's no Women on this planet for disabled men.

I imagine they're start sharing guys. There's already guys out there in their 20s with multiple gfs.

I don't know if you know this but "listen and believe" is not viable evidence. You and the court of public opinion might just assume every defendant is guilty without question, which is why it's good you're not a part of the justice system at least.

It's tragic nothing really can be done about any of this. :/

Men kinda have to deal with this current way at least till the government steps in and handles it probably in the next 40 years or so.
To be a man is viewed as being toxic openly and subtlety a blessing.

The friend zone triggers men because it tells them not, I don't see you in that way but you are not good enough in some way yet. If this were more openly accepted known I could see the friend zone either not exisiting or men not caring about it.

The easiest way to explain to men I've found is this using a popular anime ofc.

Women have a base level of say 600. There max can be 1200.
Men have a base of 1. There max can be 3000.

Now womens level is normally static but can be influenced by money, looks, be it makeup or plastic and status.

Men same thing but the thing is its harder. So you have men who don't realize that you have to struggle to get your level to the point where you can easily get women and they think it's not fair. They don't realize the trade off is your potential is higher in dating to the point where as long as this girl isn't in a commited relationship, if you actually do improve you can have her. But the idea of that seems non human, dirty makes her seem like a terrible person and that's where things get complicated and why men fall off and never reach these high points often.

But why is having a dependant partner worse than being a dependent partner? I don't see any rational explanation for this.

Most men can't afford to have such standard, btw. For example, in my age and income range there's hardly any women at all.

Because covering your own costs on your own income is difficult enough without adding a dependent adult into the mix.

Resentment can occur as well if one person is doing all the work and the other gets to doss about.

Same goes for emotional work. If you're always the supportive one you'll burn out.

Same goes for initiative.

Yet men are expected to do so. Women will only date someone on their income level or above. So they won't accept a man who makes less but they find being a dependent to a man who makes more. Hypocrisy

The man who makes less makes due with his current income, so it's only when the woman makes him live her lyfstile that now he can't affford it and would become a dependent. Solution don't make him live your lifestyle or modify your lifestyle for the one you love. Men have been doing this for thousands of years for women, why can't women do it for men? Bet your grandmas was a dependent. If not her mom definitely was. Women have only been working since 1920ish, and only since the 50/60 has women become more and more independent job wise. On,y last 20 years have women now started becoming more well paid then a lot of men. The ration is switching. I'm the next 30 years I imagine women will be where men were in the 1950s. If women don't start accepting lower paid men then they won't find men and our society will start to die off. It's already happening, there's way more long term single people today then 20 years ago. Women impowerment is killing our society. What I do t understand is why it does have to, but if women won't change their dating requirements to match the new reality it won't. This isn't the 19050s anymore a man doesn't have to make as much or more then you. A man is worth more then his income, women are princesses. Men are princes. Love is worth more the a billion dollars. Or trillion

I'll n very marry or mov in with a lady, if I get a gf I'll probably have to break up at a year to two years if she doesn't before then.
My income is limited it'll always be so, they haven't raised social security in 40 ish years.
I get the same amountish someone on it would got in 1980. But back then 700 dollars was worth a lot more. So women will always see me as dependent, mooch, etc. I won't have that. I won't take gifts, rides, I won't stay at her place, I won't eat her food, I won't accept anything she offers besides love and companionship. I will spend whatever few money I have on her though. Eventually I'll get an apartment and she can come stay for week or so at time, she could do so at my house now.

^ Men can change this reality by being more picky, to reject women on income and employment basis. If men do this in mass, things would be balanced (Women would have no choice but to adjust their financial expectations).

I think all those men movements should focus more on that part: men's standards had always been too low and forgiving when it comes to assets, we shall rise to women's levels. And also to promote the househusband/housebf role as well as an alternative life choice for men.

This would be great, but it won't ever ever happen.

Reminds of my previous neighbour. He was fit and pretty good looking, while his girlfriend looked like a blimp with arms and legs. I honestly couldn't help but laugh everytime I saw them together.